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Topic: Informal GAA Games
Taxi Driver
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Posted: 26-Apr-2005 13:25
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Does the GAA suffer because of difficulties in organising informal games of hurling and football?

On numerous occasions we have endured the argument along the lines that the sports organisations will lose/gain the hearts and minds of young people if X happens/doesn't happen. This is all hypothetical as a causal relationship is impossible to prove.

Whatever the process involved, all sports organisations aim (or should aim) at increasing the numbers who attend and more importantly play their respective games. The stadiums' debate is an issue of attendance, but very little emphasis has been given to participation apart from the blurry "hearts and minds" tripe.

I believe the numbers playing soccer and to a lesser extent rugby are underreported because of the large number of people who play informal games (indoor soccer, 5-a-side games, Nightowls leagues, tag rugby etc.) There is a huge number of facilities to cater for such soccer games of which very few are FAI controlled and tag rugby now has a visible presence in most major cities.

How many people play a weekly game of hurling or football with the lads from work? Close to none I would imagine. I know that inter-firm GAA boards cater to this need to a certain extent, but I would treat them as being formally organised.

Some soccer games can have same 10/12 lads playing week-in week-out for years. I know that fellas might on an odd occassion go for a few pucks, but what is it that holds back informal GAA games from occurring.

It is probably the nature of the games. But surely there is some variation we can devise that would overcome this difficulty. Rugby does not lead itself to informal games but tag rugby does, although tag rugby isn't as popular as soccer yet.

Maybe someone out there already has a variation that deserves some exposure and we can move away from debates about where the top 1% or fewer players play and look at the arrangements provided for the overwhelming majority of players.
an riocht
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Posted: 26-Apr-2005 13:38
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excellent post!
Jinto
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Posted: 26-Apr-2005 13:43
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How are things TD??

I often thought of this myself. I think that with with most GAA clubs offering second team options (ie junior 1,2 etc) along with regular twice weekly training in good facilities, they cater for the physical and social needs of the players who might not take things as seriously as others.
HangBlaa
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Posted: 26-Apr-2005 13:55
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Originally posted by Jinto:
How are things TD??

I often thought of this myself. I think that with with most GAA clubs offering second team options (ie junior 1,2 etc) along with regular twice weekly training in good facilities, they cater for the physical and social needs of the players who might not take things as seriously as others.

yeah... we used to go down the field and play backs and forwards when in college, but more often then not it ended up being abandoned for a game of soccer...

Soccer was more of a leveler in ability though, as we were all reasonably fit and despite the gulf in ability betwen out group (~10-14 lads) we could all enjoy the soccer equally, where as with hurling we had 3 or 4 couny standard lads and another few who played only up to minor level so it wasnt possible to have a decent game....

The mixed 7 a side hurling competition was great craic though...
Fran
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Posted: 26-Apr-2005 14:13
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Great post TD. The lads who I live with and I regularly go for a "few pucks" in the park just to keep the touch and eye in and as enjoyable as that is, it lacks the competitive edge that a game of indoor soccer can give to keep you interested.
It's also very difficult to get enough fellas willing and able to play an informal game of Hurling/football and I haven't done it in years but it just seems that five or six aside is not enough.
You need nearly the full fifteen for a proper game of backs and forwards and even at that facilties for this are at a premium unless you have a bag of about 20 sliothars
Pa Laide
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Posted: 26-Apr-2005 15:17
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this is right off the top of my head,a bit random but sure its an idea anyway!For a hurling game
-4-a-side
-in a hall like where indoor soccer would be played
-use a sponge ball(the dense ones),not the indoor sliotars
-hurleys be at most 32"(A BOUNCY BALL),all about the touch' flicks
-only one use of the hand instead of two
©fungames
Fran
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Posted: 26-Apr-2005 15:20
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Originally posted by Pa Laide:
this is right off the top of my head,a bit random but sure its an idea anyway!For a hurling game
-4-a-side
-in a hall like where indoor soccer would be played
-use a sponge ball(the dense ones),not the indoor sliotars
-hurleys be at most 32"(A BOUNCY BALL),all about the touch' flicks
-only one use of the hand instead of two
©fungames

-On horseback
The Avenue
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Posted: 26-Apr-2005 15:21
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Originally posted by Fran:


-On horseback

there should be cheerleaders as well... like in the NFL... or the NBA... or the NCAA
kilkennycat2005
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Posted: 26-Apr-2005 15:38
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Originally posted by Pa Laide:
this is right off the top of my head,a bit random but sure its an idea anyway!For a hurling game
-4-a-side -in a hall like where indoor soccer would be played
-use a sponge ball(the dense ones),not the indoor sliotars
-hurleys be at most 32"(A BOUNCY BALL),all about the touch' flicks -only one use of the hand instead of two
©fungames

Passed by the WIT around lunchtime & there was 3 different sports taking place on the same pitch!!
About 6 playing hockey into one goal, maybe 16 playing soccer into the other & in the centre 3 girl "chicks with sticks" & a guy with hurley & soft type ball. Bad day for Irish hurling !!
merlante
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Posted: 26-Apr-2005 15:45
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Hurling really lacks a relaxed informal <15 player alternative like indoor soccer or 5 a side. Definitely.

With hurling you're either 100% in or 100% out, which is a pity, because it's a great game.

Maybe a derivitive could be contrived that didn't play like hurling, necessarily, but worked with a small number of players, and still gave players scope to hone their skills.

The first rule would have to be, "No holding of the ball in the hand."
eamonn
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Posted: 26-Apr-2005 15:53
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Social football and social hurling were devised to fill this need. Don't think it's caught on much yet though.

Another thing you can try is where a group of lads can have great craic if you set up four cones (or bags) as goals each about a yard wide, and use an infinite-sized field, i.e. the ball never goes dead unless there's a score, there's no goalkeepers, and you can score from in front or behind the goals. You can have a fun game of hurling with as few as six or eight players. Try it! You need to have plenty of rests though, it's intense!
JohnneyCool
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Posted: 26-Apr-2005 16:04
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Originally posted by Taxi Driver:
Does the GAA suffer because of difficulties in organising informal games of hurling and football?

On numerous occasions we have endured the argument along the lines that the sports organisations will lose/gain the hearts and minds of young people if X happens/doesn't happen. This is all hypothetical as a causal relationship is impossible to prove.

Whatever the process involved, all sports organisations aim (or should aim) at increasing the numbers who attend and more importantly play their respective games. The stadiums' debate is an issue of attendance, but very little emphasis has been given to participation apart from the blurry "hearts and minds" tripe.

I believe the numbers playing soccer and to a lesser extent rugby are underreported because of the large number of people who play informal games (indoor soccer, 5-a-side games, Nightowls leagues, tag rugby etc.) There is a huge number of facilities to cater for such soccer games of which very few are FAI controlled and tag rugby now has a visible presence in most major cities.

How many people play a weekly game of hurling or football with the lads from work? Close to none I would imagine. I know that inter-firm GAA boards cater to this need to a certain extent, but I would treat them as being formally organised.

Some soccer games can have same 10/12 lads playing week-in week-out for years. I know that fellas might on an odd occassion go for a few pucks, but what is it that holds back informal GAA games from occurring.

It is probably the nature of the games. But surely there is some variation we can devise that would overcome this difficulty. Rugby does not lead itself to informal games but tag rugby does, although tag rugby isn't as popular as soccer yet.

Maybe someone out there already has a variation that deserves some exposure and we can move away from debates about where the top 1% or fewer players play and look at the arrangements provided for the overwhelming majority of players.

It will always be difficult to get a game of social hurling off the ground as it's a fcukin difficult game to play for a novice (and us nordies).

Any moron can throw a leg at a soccer ball especially indoor football and even the worst co-ordinated person can gleen some form of satisfaction out of a social soccer game, lesser for gaelic and football.
JoNinety
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Posted: 26-Apr-2005 16:21
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Football would work well if players were limited to one hop and one solo. Hurling would work well on astro turf as a ground hurling game or a no hands game.
All Star Hurler
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Posted: 26-Apr-2005 16:35
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I used to always go to the local handball alley to play hurling, its the best practise for hurling, all aspects catered for. I still see bunches of lads playing in the alleys
eamonn
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Posted: 26-Apr-2005 22:00
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See also, Beach Gaelic Football.
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