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Topic: Prime Time Investigates Cocaine
TwoRunnyEggs
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Posted: 10-Dec-2007 21:45
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Prime Time tonight examining the reality of cocaine use in this country and the extent of the problem.
Ciderbaby
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Posted: 10-Dec-2007 23:49
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Originally posted by TwoRunnyEggs:
Prime Time tonight examining the reality of cocaine use in this country and the extent of the problem.


Frightening but true account of whats going on in the country. Caught the start of Q & A aswell where they discussed the cocaine problem. Think `twas Mícheal Martin said that when he lived in Dublin city centre, he rang the Gardaí to report drug dealing in his area, but no gardaí ever came near the area to deal with it. Sure how could you blame them? too risky. Its about time all Gardaí were armed.
Michael Stone
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Posted: 11-Dec-2007 08:15
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Usual sensationalist stuff telling us what we already know, that people have easy access to cocaine, that some people over do it and that this is all due to people now having money from the Celtic tiger. There was none of this when all we had was the church and spuds etc. intertwined with shots of blurred people doing lines and blacked out figures with North side Dublin accents saying how much money they made selling it.

Typical hysterical nonsense. Alcohol is a far bigger and more serious problem in Ireland. Coke is in the headlines now because it is no longer working class scum dying from it
count of monte cristo
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Posted: 11-Dec-2007 10:25
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Originally posted by Michael Stone:
Usual sensationalist stuff telling us what we already know, that people have easy access to cocaine, that some people over do it and that this is all due to people now having money from the Celtic tiger. There was none of this when all we had was the church and spuds etc. intertwined with shots of blurred people doing lines and blacked out figures with North side Dublin accents saying how much money they made selling it.

Typical hysterical nonsense. Alcohol is a far bigger and more serious problem in Ireland. Coke is in the headlines now because it is no longer working class scum dying from it

dont agree at all, a bad batch of alcohol wont kill you, generally there is some quality control on alcohol and the purveyors operate within the full extent of the law
TwoRunnyEggs
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Posted: 11-Dec-2007 10:38
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Originally posted by Michael Stone:
Usual sensationalist stuff telling us what we already know, that people have easy access to cocaine, that some people over do it and that this is all due to people now having money from the Celtic tiger. There was none of this when all we had was the church and spuds etc. intertwined with shots of blurred people doing lines and blacked out figures with North side Dublin accents saying how much money they made selling it.

Typical hysterical nonsense. Alcohol is a far bigger and more serious problem in Ireland. Coke is in the headlines now because it is no longer working class scum dying from it

Last night`s programme showed that cocaine could be a mix of anything and there`s nothing to show the user how strong it is or what`s mixed in it. Drink is sold telling you the percentage of alcohol in it and ingredients. The problems are when the user is taking far too much of either pure coke or coke that has been mixed with something strong.
It was a real eye opener to see that the problems of drugs are happening everywhere. Traces of cocaine were found in the toilets at race meetings, Rose of Tralee, even the RTE offices.
I think it all boils down to its affordability.
ttown buoy
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Posted: 11-Dec-2007 10:38
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A Bad batch of coke wont kill you. Most coke in Ireland is poor and is cut with stuff that wont kill you as it is sold over the counter in supermarkets, herbal shops and chemists around the country.

Mixing Coke is what can kills whether it be Ketamine, Heroin, pills, 3 Bottles of champagne.

The below arguement is far removed from the truth. Im far from defending coke but the amount of incorrect information from people who have never taken it here makes the arguement a bit skewed.


Originally posted by count of monte cristo:


dont agree at all, a bad batch of alcohol wont kill you, generally there is some quality control on alcohol and the purveyors operate within the full extent of the law
Michael Stone
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Posted: 11-Dec-2007 10:39
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Originally posted by count of monte cristo:


dont agree at all, a bad batch of alcohol wont kill you, generally there is some quality control on alcohol and the purveyors operate within the full extent of the law
Bad poition would kill you, its manufactured in the exact same conditions as cocaine, Ecstasy and amphetamine
Ungrateful_Whelp
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Posted: 11-Dec-2007 10:45
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Originally posted by Michael Stone:
Usual sensationalist stuff telling us what we already know, that people have easy access to cocaine, that some people over do it and that this is all due to people now having money from the Celtic tiger. There was none of this when all we had was the church and spuds etc. intertwined with shots of blurred people doing lines and blacked out figures with North side Dublin accents saying how much money they made selling it.

Typical hysterical nonsense. Alcohol is a far bigger and more serious problem in Ireland.

Have to agree. The first part of the programme was tedious and told us nothing new. Shock, horror, people are taking cocaine.

The second part was better and it was interesting that the normally conservative RTE was prepared to name Freddie Thompson. The access to Customs in action also made good TV.
AnReiteoir
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Posted: 11-Dec-2007 10:45
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Originally posted by Michael Stone:
Bad poition would kill you, its manufactured in the exact same conditions as cocaine, Ecstasy and amphetamine

So f**king what, the last time I checked most bottles of Poitín were illegal.

Did none of you understand the medical experts saying that mixing Alcohol and Coke was tantamount to playing russian roulette such was the effects that a new drug was create d within the body...

Another thing from last night that I would like advocate of the "non addictive" theory to address. It was stated by an expert that 1/5 people become addicted to Cocaine! Kind of disproves the "take it or leave it" brigades advocations...
Yup-outta-that
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Posted: 11-Dec-2007 10:46
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Are drug traffickers really as indiscreet as the fella that Customs intercepted at the airport? I had visions of false bottomed suitcases etc... This lad just got a sports bag and filled it with hash?
Also how the hell did somebody swallow 99 of those pellets of coke that they showed!!
Angel Eyes
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Posted: 11-Dec-2007 10:51
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Originally posted by TwoRunnyEggs:
Traces of cocaine were found in the toilets at race meetings, Rose of Tralee, even the RTE offices.
I think it all boils down to its affordability.

Do you mean to tell us that people who work in television are taking cocaine? That will knock those "Bear Found Sh*****g In Woods" headlines off the front page.
TwoRunnyEggs
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Posted: 11-Dec-2007 10:55
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Originally posted by Angel Eyes:


Do you mean to tell us that people who work in television are taking cocaine? That will knock those "Bear Found Sh*****g In Woods" headlines off the front page.

I was just as shocked as you Angel!!
leroy_842
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Posted: 11-Dec-2007 11:30
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Originally posted by TwoRunnyEggs:


I was just as shocked as you Angel!!

I didnt see the program but someone was saying
that they showed footage from some toliet cubes showing
people taking coke,

if thats true surely its highly illegal to put a camera in a
public jacks???????
the spuds r boiling
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Posted: 11-Dec-2007 11:47
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Originally posted by leroy_842:


I didnt see the program but someone was saying
that they showed footage from some toliet cubes showing
people taking coke,

if thats true surely its highly illegal to put a camera in a
public jacks???????

Camera was situated just above cistern with just a limited view. It could not see someone using the toilet only people using behind the toilet to snort charlie and all faces were blocked out.
TwoRunnyEggs
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Posted: 11-Dec-2007 11:48
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Originally posted by leroy_842:


I didnt see the program but someone was saying
that they showed footage from some toliet cubes showing
people taking coke,

if thats true surely its highly illegal to put a camera in a
public jacks???????

Ya they had hidden cameras in cubicles. They positioned them to only show the top of the cistern of the toilet. Im sure they researched the legality of doing this.
Angel Eyes
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Posted: 11-Dec-2007 11:53
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Originally posted by AnReiteoir:


So f**king what, the last time I checked most bottles of Poitín were illegal.

Did none of you understand the medical experts saying that mixing Alcohol and Coke was tantamount to playing russian roulette such was the effects that a new drug was create  d within the body...

Another thing from last night that I would like advocate of the "non addictive" theory to address. It was stated by an expert that 1/5 people become addicted to Cocaine! Kind of disproves the "take it or leave it" brigades advocations...

Another expert was saying that it affects a part of the brain called shatner`s bassoon and that one 19-year-old who took cocaine in Roscommon cried all the water out of her own body before vomiting up her own kneecaps.

Or was that on Brass Eye, which was ripping the mick out of media sensationalism of the "drugs crisis" 10 years ago?

The only thing missing from that hysterical episode of Prime Time was Derek Davis or Twink warning us about the dangers of the eastern european superdrug called cake: "It`s flooding Dublin and it`s known on the street as Loonytoad Quack, Joss Ackland`s Spunky Backpack and Rustledust."
the puke
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Posted: 11-Dec-2007 11:55
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Originally posted by Angel Eyes:


Another expert was saying that it affects a part of the brain called shatner`s bassoon and that one 19-year-old who took cocaine in Roscommon cried all the water out of her own body before vomiting up her own kneecaps.

Or was that on Brass Eye, which was ripping the mick out of media sensationalism of the "drugs crisis" 10 years ago?

The only thing missing from that hysterical episode of Prime Time was Derek Davis or Twink warning us about the dangers of the eastern european superdrug called cake: "It`s flooding Dublin and it`s known on the street as Loonytoad Quack, Joss Ackland`s Spunky Backpack and Rustledust."

i know its no laughing matter but that brass eye was top class.....jesus some celebrities are thick as sh1t....
leroy_842
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Posted: 11-Dec-2007 11:55
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Originally posted by TwoRunnyEggs:


Ya they had hidden cameras in cubicles. They positioned them to only show the top of the cistern of the toilet. Im sure they researched the legality of doing this.

i would have tought it would not make a difference if it just
showed thier feet, putting a spy cam in a toilet and filimg people
without thier consent has to be illegal.

look at that landlady who was fined a cuple of hundred thousand
euro for puting spy cam in the house she was renting out recently.

if i went into a jacks in a pub and found a spy cam i would be livid.

Angel Eyes
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Posted: 11-Dec-2007 12:06
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Originally posted by the puke:


i know its no laughing matter but that brass eye was top class.....jesus some celebrities are thick as sh1t....

People dying from taking dodgy drugs is no laughing matter, but that was never what Brass Eye was about. Their target was always the accompanying media sensationalism and they really hit the bullseye. When you`ve auld lads in the pub  .(or on GAA message boards! .) . who weren`t even aware of the existence of cocaine a week ago warning about the dangers of taking ketamine and damp cocaine you know the situation has become completely absurd.
This message has been edited - 11-dec-2007 @ 12:07
liammac
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Posted: 11-Dec-2007 12:14
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Couple of questions for all ye “drink are worse than drugs” brigade?

1.Given that mixing cocaine and drink can cause the user to be violent and the high levels of drug abuse in pubs/clubs how much of the violence on our streets that we see in every town and city at two in the morning at weekends is caused by people who are suffering from the effects of drink AND drugs?
2.Given we clearly have a problem in this country with the substance that is legal .(ie drink .) . why on earth would we be stupid enough to bring more problems on ourselves by legalising cocaine.

I’m sick and tired of people saying that the war on drugs has been lost and we should accept our loses and legalise it. This is just plain ridiculous. Drink driving has been a problem in this country for decades and despite all the warnings and prosecutions people still drink and drive? Should we give up on trying to prevent that too.
ttown buoy
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Posted: 11-Dec-2007 12:45
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I for one would not be into legalising cocaine but 90% of what is writen here about the drug is incorrect and sensationalist and people are gaining their opinions from media figures like Joe Duffy and similar shows. Those people who died last week whether "famous" or not didn`t die from taking cocaine they died from being careless and mixing stupid amounts of it.

Its a question of self regulation and maturity. I see absolutely no difference in someone going out and drinking about 5 fat frogs or buying an eight or gram of coke  .(they could cost in and around the same .) .. The person taking the coke would be less inclined to fall into a swelled river or fall asleep on the road. If you have a bit of cop on and try and surround yourself with decent people and know when to say no/yes at your discretion then what harm. If you are dumb enough to spend 300/400 euro every weekend on coke then more fool you.


[QUOTE]Originally posted by liammac:

2.Given we clearly have a problem in this country with the substance that is legal . .(ie drink . .) . . why on earth would we be stupid enough to bring more problems on ourselves by legalising cocaine.

ttown buoy
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Posted: 11-Dec-2007 12:48
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3/5 are addicted to Pringles
4/5 are addicted to Superquinn sausages.

Its the below An Reiteoir that is making every tom dick and harry an expert on something that has been around forever  .(albeit in not such quantities .) .


Originally posted by AnReiteoir:

Another thing from last night that I would like advocate of the "non addictive" theory to address. It was stated by an expert that 1/5 people become addicted to Cocaine! Kind of disproves the "take it or leave it" brigades advocations...
Angel Eyes
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Posted: 11-Dec-2007 12:49
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Originally posted by liammac:
Couple of questions for all ye “drink are worse than drugs” brigade?

1.Given that mixing cocaine and drink can cause the user to be violent and the high levels of drug abuse in pubs/clubs how much of the violence on our streets that we see in every town and city at two in the morning at weekends is caused by people who are suffering from the effects of drink AND drugs?
2.Given we clearly have a problem in this country with the substance that is legal . .(ie drink . .) . . why on earth would we be stupid enough to bring more problems on ourselves by legalising cocaine.

I’m sick and tired of people saying that the war on drugs has been lost and we should accept our loses and legalise it. This is just plain ridiculous. Drink driving has been a problem in this country for decades and despite all the warnings and prosecutions people still drink and drive? Should we give up on trying to prevent that too.

The people who argue that drugs should be legalised have at least come up with a possible solution. It might not work, but it`s an idea to be looked into.

Why doesn`t someone from the other side come up with a workable alternative that we can look into? The war on drugs may not have been lost, but it will definitely never be won and drugs, like drink-driving, is here to stay.

I should add that I mean an alternative that isn`t completely stupid, that isn`t going to turn the country into a police state and that shows the person who dreamed it up has some grip on reality. The public exc ution or indefinite imprisonment of anyone found smoking a joint isn`t viable and wouldn`t work, but they`re the only ideas people who think drugs shouldn`t be legalised ever seem to suggest. What`s more, anyone who suggests they`re being foolish is immediately accused of being a pinko liberal, when in reality, all they`re doing is being realistic.

Taking drugs seems to be a massive deal to many of the middle class media commentators, "experts" and posters on this forum who openly admit that they`ve never been exposed to drug-taking. But these people don`t seem prepared to accept that, for vast sections of Irish society, taking recreational drugs is no more a big deal than eating food. It`s what they do, they`re happy doing it, they`re not doing themselves or anyone else any more harm than an average drinker or a smoker, so why not just leave them to it?

They`ll still be doing it long after the Irish media has found some new crisis to get hysterical over, but lots of people posting here will be blissfully unaware of their activities because Prime Time and the Star and the Herald won`t be banging on about it all the time.
Angel Eyes
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Posted: 11-Dec-2007 13:09
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Originally posted by liammac:
Couple of questions for all ye “drink are worse than drugs” brigade?

1.Given that mixing cocaine and drink can cause the user to be violent and the high levels of drug abuse in pubs/clubs how much of the violence on our streets that we see in every town and city at two in the morning at weekends is caused by people who are suffering from the effects of drink AND drugs?

Nobody knows obviously, but it was never going to be too long before somebody tried to imply that it`s because of the cocaine that people are fighting.

I would imagine that nearly everyone in Ireland who takes cocaine does so while they`re drinking because that`s when taking cocaine seems like a great idea.

The fact of the matter is, people are all different. Some are aggressive in drink, some aren`t. Some are aggressive on cocaine, some aren`t. I`ve never got in a fight in my life, but I know some guys whose weekend isn`t complete without a scrap outside the chipper at 3.30am.

I remember once reading about a guy who murdered somebody after taking a load of E. I found this extraordinary because in my experience, people on E tend to be very loved up and the only way they`d kill anyone is by hugging or boring them to death. If I remember correctly, the guy I read about used a hammer to bludgeon his victim`s head, which would be most uncharacteristic behaviour for somebody on E. It`s also most uncharacteristic behaviour for anybody. Maybe he was just a psycho.

This message has been edited - 11-dec-2007 @ 13:21
GluteusMaximus
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Posted: 11-Dec-2007 13:15
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Originally posted by liammac:
Couple of questions for all ye “drink are worse than drugs” brigade?

1.Given that mixing cocaine and drink can cause the user to be violent and the high levels of drug abuse in pubs/clubs how much of the violence on our streets that we see in every town and city at two in the morning at weekends is caused by people who are suffering from the effects of drink AND drugs?


Very little I would say. I would say 90% of street violence " that we see in every town and city at two in the morning at weekends" is due to people being drunk and drunk only

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