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Topic: Gilligan injured today v Offaly-doesn`t look good
bbDC
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Posted: 10-May-2008 22:16
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He injured his shoulder after only 2 mins of a challenge match v offaly and it looks bad. Went straight to hospital. I.`m sure we`ll hear more over coming days.
handyscore
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Posted: 10-May-2008 22:30
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Originally posted by bbDC:
Gilligan injured today v Offaly-doesn`t look good

Hardly a big loss to Clare though at this stage. He has been in decline for the last few years. He was decent enough at his peak but was never a world beater and you have Flaherty for the frees now.
zafonic_10
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Posted: 10-May-2008 23:47
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considering our dearth of forward talent he is a loss yes.

Also this year he wasn`t taking the frees so there was less pressure on him and he was delivering nicely enough from play.scored 0-5 from play against Dub in recent challenge
blueprint
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Posted: 11-May-2008 13:42
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Has anyone an updete  on the above or any kind of report or analysis on the game itself ?
bbDC
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Posted: 11-May-2008 13:54
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Clare lost by 3pts in the end. Backs played well but forwards were terrible. We were missing quinn, colin lynch, boc and carmody but I honestly don`t see us having any say this year. We haven`t got the type of scoring forwards needed to win championship games. Better news today about Gilligan. Just bad bruising on his shoulder and concussion. Nothing broken.
blueprint
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Posted: 11-May-2008 14:08
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Originally posted by bbDC:
Clare lost by 3pts in the end. Backs played well but forwards were terrible. We were missing quinn, colin lynch, boc and carmody but I honestly don`t see us having any say this year. We haven`t got the type of scoring forwards needed to win championship games. Better news today about Gilligan. Just bad bruising on his shoulder and concussion. Nothing broken.

Thanks for the reply bbDC , disappointing result alright with a view to our chances against Waterford , still heres hoping
pegasusIII
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Posted: 11-May-2008 14:19
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Originally posted by bbDC:
Gilligan injured today v Offaly-doesn`t look good


interesting that whilst if a waterford player slips coming out of the shower there is no word from clare re injuries. yet on the face of it to me its worrying that gerry quinn or carmody havent played in either challenge in the last few days. proper info on the panel seems as sparing as it was last year.

re our forwards it hasnt been talked about too much that we were never going to be playing with a full hand agaisnt waterford with d mac & particularly griffin not up to full speed.
bbDC
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Posted: 12-May-2008 16:23
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bump
parish man
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Posted: 12-May-2008 16:28
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are clare trainin tinight. would not mind to watch a session
twiceasnice97
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Posted: 14-May-2008 08:07
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Originally posted by pegasusIII:


interesting that whilst if a waterford player slips coming out of the shower there is no word from clare re injuries. yet on the face of it to me its worrying that gerry quinn or carmody havent played in either challenge in the last few days. proper info on the panel seems as sparing as it was last year.

re our forwards it hasnt been talked about too much that we were never going to be playing with a full hand agaisnt waterford with d mac & particularly griffin not up to full speed.

from what i have heard i think the forwards will post a decent score v waterford and it will be up to the backs to make sure that it is good enough which their form is suggesting won`t happen..

didnt quinn come on as a sub v offaly?

what is up with carmody? at this stage he hasn`t played a serious hurling match since the summer before last.
GAA All Stars
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Posted: 14-May-2008 09:00
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Carmody is a guard, Is he still based in Limerick City?
KIB man
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Posted: 14-May-2008 09:52
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Originally posted by GAA All Stars:
Carmody is a guard, Is he still based in Limerick City?

unfortunately tony carmody has been through a family tragedy which he only found about in the dressing room before the offaly league game. i would be surprised if he has remained on the panel as a result
twiceasnice97
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Posted: 14-May-2008 11:05
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Originally posted by KIB man:


unfortunately tony carmody has been through a family tragedy which he only found about in the dressing room before the offaly league game. i would be surprised if he has remained on the panel as a result

he is definitely part of the panel
bbDC
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Posted: 14-May-2008 11:56
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Ya he`s on the panel alright and seems to be playing well in training.

In fairness Clare need him playing at his best. TAN has reservations about the backs. I think no`s 3 and 6 are a huge worry. It also obvious that Gerry Quinn and the management aren`t seeing eye to eye. I hope whatever is going on here is resolved. Whatever anyone says about him, he`s still one of our only hurlers who would make a Kilkenny or Cork team. It should be noted though that he hasn`t performed well at all in the Munster Championship over the past few years. However I think he`d be a better option at 3 or 6 than the two we have there

From there up there are a lot of big decisions to make

BOC who is recovering from a knee operation but is back/coming back training, will definitely start at midfield and it will be an interesting decision facing the management as to whether they`ll start Colin Lynch or not. He`s struggled in championship hurling over the past few years and there`s nothing to suggest he`s got a new boost of energy so I`d like to see someone else playing there but who?? David Barrett or James Mc Inerney?? I don`t think McInerney has the hurling or the hurling intelligence to do well enough. Pat Vaughan is obviously not good enough having been ommited by several management teams while the experiment of playing Tony Griffin in midfield two years ago didn`t work either.

Up front we have several similar type hurlers, Diarmuid, O`Rourke, Nugent, F Lynch, Lafferty etc. IMO we can only afford to have 2 of those 5 on any team, even 1 would be plenty but we don`t have many alternatives.

Clancy has pace so will start. We also need Griffin. I thought he should have played out the field against Offaly to get more ball and increase his confidence. He played in the full forward line and got terrible ball all day and as a result Fergie Tuohy kept giving out to him which didn`t help. I don`t think Gilligan should be started. I`d like to see him coming on with 20 mins to go when the pace of the game has died down. Flaherty will probably start for the frees. Hopefully he`ll do a bit more from play than he has done so far but I think he deserves to start.

So on that basis my team for the championship with reservations is

Brennan

GOG
G Quinn
Frank

Bugler
Plunkett
Donnelan

BOC
D Barrett

Clancy
Diarmuid
Carmody

Griffin
Lynch
Flaherty
zafonic_10
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Posted: 14-May-2008 13:23
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Gerry Quinn Full Back????

No Chance.

Quinn will be wing back...and i`ll be very surprised if he`s not.

Full back will either be Frank or Dara Clancy

Brennan

Gerry O Grady
Frank Lohan
T Keogh

Brendan Bugler/Pat Donnellan
Conor Plunkett
Gerry Quinn

Brian O` Connell
Colin Lynch

Diarmuid McMahon
Tony carmody
Jonathan Clancy

Niall Gilligan/Tony Griffin
Fergal Lynch
Mark Flaherty
the puke
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Posted: 14-May-2008 13:27
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Originally posted by zafonic_10:
Gerry Quinn Full Back????

No Chance.

Quinn will be wing back...and i`ll be very surprised if he`s not.

Full back will either be Frank or Dara Clancy

Brennan

Gerry O Grady
Frank Lohan
T Keogh

Brendan Bugler/Pat Donnellan
Conor Plunkett
Gerry Quinn

Brian O` Connell
Colin Lynch

Diarmuid McMahon
Tony carmody
Jonathan Clancy

Niall Gilligan/Tony Griffin
Fergal Lynch
Mark Flaherty

i would say your pretty much spot on there zafonic although i think that donnellan is a shoe in at wing back...cant see bugler starting ahead of him....
booby prize
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Posted: 14-May-2008 13:42
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Originally posted by the puke:


i would say your pretty much spot on there zafonic although i think that donnellan is a shoe in at wing back...cant see bugler starting ahead of him....

Surprised to see no Bones there on both your teams lads.Any reason why?
bbDC
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Posted: 14-May-2008 14:09
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I don`t rate Bones and never have. As I said already we have 5 or 6 similar type forward big tall lads, limited skill and not a whole lot of pace and we can afford only 1 or 2 on a team and Diarmuid and Fergal Lynch are probably that bit better than the rest. Altough both - but especially Lynch- can be very poor on occasions.

Re Gerry Quinn. I don`t expect him to be full back but thats where I would have played him. I think he has so much ability that is wasted at wing back where we have more than adequate cover and I think he`d be a better option stopping Dan at full back than Frank.

I would say that if Clare can stop Dan scoring goals they will have a great chance of beating Waterford
Matagorda
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Posted: 14-May-2008 14:27
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Originally posted by bbDC:
I don`t rate Bones and never have. As I said already we have 5 or 6 similar type forward big tall lads, limited skill and not a whole lot of pace and we can afford only 1 or 2 on a team and Diarmuid and Fergal Lynch are probably that bit better than the rest. Altough both - but especially Lynch- can be very poor on occasions.

Re Gerry Quinn. I don`t expect him to be full back but thats where I would have played him. I think he has so much ability that is wasted at wing back where we have more than adequate cover and I think he`d be a better option stopping Dan at full back than Frank.

I would say that if Clare can stop Dan scoring goals they will have a great chance of beating Waterford
You don`t rate bones yet you`d have barrett starting at midfield. I wonder about you.
bbDC
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Posted: 14-May-2008 14:50
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Good man yourself. Hope you don`t waste too much energy wondering about me.


Originally posted by Matagorda:
You don`t rate bones yet you`d have barrett starting at midfield. I wonder about you.
booby prize
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Posted: 14-May-2008 16:00
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Originally posted by bbDC:
I don`t rate Bones and never have. As I said already we have 5 or 6 similar type forward big tall lads, limited skill and not a whole lot of pace and we can afford only 1 or 2 on a team and Diarmuid and Fergal Lynch are probably that bit better than the rest. Altough both - but especially Lynch- can be very poor on occasions.

Re Gerry Quinn. I don`t expect him to be full back but thats where I would have played him. I think he has so much ability that is wasted at wing back where we have more than adequate cover and I think he`d be a better option stopping Dan at full back than Frank.

But Why have Diarmaid Play.Surely He cant be right for Munster championship on the basis that he is only training a couple of weeks.Griffin the same.I respect what you write bbDC on Clare Hurling but I think you have got it wrong with regards Bones.
Best Forward against Limerick last year.

I would say that if Clare can stop Dan scoring goals they will have a great chance of beating Waterford
zafonic_10
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Posted: 14-May-2008 17:04
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Originally posted by bbDC:
I don`t rate Bones and never have. As I said already we have 5 or 6 similar type forward big tall lads, limited skill and not a whole lot of pace and we can afford only 1 or 2 on a team and Diarmuid and Fergal Lynch are probably that bit better than the rest. Altough both - but especially Lynch- can be very poor on occasions.

Re Gerry Quinn. I don`t expect him to be full back but thats where I would have played him. I think he has so much ability that is wasted at wing back where we have more than adequate cover and I think he`d be a better option stopping Dan at full back than Frank.

I would say that if Clare can stop Dan scoring goals they will have a great chance of beating Waterford

Saying we have 5/6 similar type big tall forwards and that we can only afford to play1/2 of these makes no sense boss.

The forwards we can afford are the ones on form and at the moment the majority of these happen to be in the 6ft or greater bracket. Apart from Jonathan Clancy we don`t have those nippy fast forwards. We can`t just play Gerry Arthur and say Ogie Murphy because you don`t want the "big tall" lads even though they are better hurlers than say Arthur and Murphy.

I know where you`re coming from bbDC and all the good forward lines in the game have at least one and some two top class elusive, nippy and fast forwards. Galway: Hayes, Healy Kerins. Cork: Deane and O`Connor. KK: Brennan and Power with more to come this year.Limerick: O`Shaughnessy. Tipp: Corbett. But as of yet this year we haven`t unearthed potential match winners in this area, Clancy not a consistent scorer but then again his best position is midfield.
bbDC
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Posted: 14-May-2008 23:58
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I`m not making my point well enough. I didn`t pick what I think will be the team for the championship. I picked what I would pick. Also if you look at Clares starting forwards Clancy has pace but so too have Carmody and Griffin, Mark Flaherty will also start so we,re still coming back to 2 of the rest of "similar" type hurlers to complete the team. The actual team that will start is looking like Brennan, GOG, Frank, D Clancy, Bugler, Plunkett, Donnelan, Lynch, BOC, Bones, Carmody, Clancy, Gilly Nuggie and Flaherty
twiceasnice97
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Posted: 15-May-2008 07:30
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Originally posted by bbDC:
I`m not making my point well enough. I didn`t pick what I think will be the team for the championship. I picked what I would pick. Also if you look at Clares starting forwards Clancy has pace but so too have Carmody and Griffin, Mark Flaherty will also start so we,re still coming back to 2 of the rest of "similar" type hurlers to complete the team. The actual team that will start is looking like Brennan, GOG, Frank, D Clancy, Bugler, Plunkett, Donnelan, Lynch, BOC, Bones, Carmody, Clancy, Gilly Nuggie and Flaherty

no gerry quinn and no diarmuid mcmahon?

carmody has hardly hit a ball in twelve months

i know for definite that mac was amazed at the shape diarmuid mcmahon turned up to training in after being off on what was supposed to be a jolly in australia.
zafonic_10
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Posted: 15-May-2008 08:46
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Originally posted by bbDC:
I`m not making my point well enough. I didn`t pick what I think will be the team for the championship. I picked what I would pick. Also if you look at Clares starting forwards Clancy has pace but so too have Carmody and Griffin, Mark Flaherty will also start so we,re still coming back to 2 of the rest of "similar" type hurlers to complete the team. The actual team that will start is looking like Brennan, GOG, Frank, D Clancy, Bugler, Plunkett, Donnelan, Lynch, BOC, Bones, Carmody, Clancy, Gilly Nuggie and Flaherty

Stop digging mate.....to say you`re not making you`re point well enough is an understatement! you`ve lost me anyway

The First team so was what you want? but you said with reservations? As we pointed out G.Quinn at full back??? David Barrett at midfield?? you shouldn`t want this!

As for the team you think will line out...you must know something we don`t if you think Nuggie Bones and Dara Clancy will start. Dara Clancy isn`t a corner back. Just like gerry Quinnain`t a full. Why would you put these players all of a sudden in new positions for such an important game...

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