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Topic: Brainwashing by Sky - do they ever give up
uachtaran
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Posted: 11-May-2008 22:15
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Sky tv  (news and sports )  go to incredible lengths to brainwash viewers into believing that current events that they cover are unprecedented. The constant references to the premiership is, arguably, understandable  (for example Utds 10 titles - even though the more interesting stat is them catching Liverpool`s 18 )  as the amount of money involved makes comparisons with previous times difficult.

But they should not be allowed to rewrite and erase history just to suit their own agenda.

This evening`s news is a great example. Sky sports news declared that its 40 years since there was such a close finish to the championship. The basis for this theory, is that it was the first time in 40 years that the top two went into the last game on the same number of points.

That may be factually correct, but it is blatantly dishonest to suggest that today was closer than Utds final day victory over spurs or their final day loss of the title in `95 when they failed to beat West Ham and none of the three are, to any reasonable person, as close as the Liverpool arsenal race of 1989.

Their logic seems to be that we`ll all be more impressed and therefore watch more of their hype, by believing such nonsense.

Sky will sometimes make comparisons like the one above with events 40-50 years ago, as they know the vast majority of their viewers won`t remember such times, the implication being that the current event is the greatest thing in this lifetime.

You will rarely if ever see sky refer to the 80`s apart from Andy Gray`s involvement, becuase it is not so far back that no-one remembers but was prior to Sky`s existence.

The whole thing is unsavoury, has aspects of "1984" about it.

I`m interested in other really good examples of this practice if people have them.
Micko Mc
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Posted: 11-May-2008 22:21
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I was thinking the exact same thing today.

How Andy Gray of all people said it was a closer finish than Anfield 1989 is completely beyond me. An incredible statement full of bulls**h.

Sky like to hype what they have and destroy what they don`t.

You`ll find that the Premiership, La Liga, Premiership Rugby, Heineken Cup and such get hyped.

Serie A, Formula 1 actually get slated. I`ll never forget the time they had the crew from Sky Italia saying that the Premiership was much better viewing than Serie A. As if Italians would really say that.

Sky Sports News is then the outlet they use to advertise what they have. Its advertised as a news channel. Its only a news channel for sports they cover. Other sports aren`t covered at all.
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Malcolm Byrne
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Posted: 11-May-2008 22:30
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10 titles in 15 years, before that they`d won 7 in 115 years from 1878 to 1993. Sky and Murdoch have create d a monster, a permanent duopoly of a League. Its no better than the Scottish League now in competitiveness. Manchester United invariably win the League every year because they have more money and are the biggest brand in the world soccer business. Soccer should introduce an American style salary cap system. You look at any of the American sports, you have 10-12 teams in contention in any given year.

daonlywayboy
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Posted: 11-May-2008 22:35
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Good point Malcolm, living here in The US I find it refreshing to watch NFL games, they`re far less predictible than prem games. And yes a host of teams are in with a shout every year. Football players are on a ridiculous amount of money, been ruining the game for a while now.
slow hands
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Posted: 11-May-2008 22:35
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Originally posted by uachtaran:
Brainwashing by Sky - do they ever give up

I wholeheartedly agree with ye.

The other element that really annoys me is since the Sun took over sponsorship of Sky sports news, it looks like they are obliged to report every silly rumour that the Sun come up with, and even ask the managers about them.

The channel has descended into a TV version of that rag of a newspaper and is very off putting. There build ups to games is sickening and thankfully RTE have live coverage of the champions league final.

Setanta is definetly the sports channel of choice these days, even barring the fact that Pat `hairpiece` dolan is on it
Micko Mc
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Posted: 11-May-2008 22:52
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I find it gas that Sky are highlighting the fact that England aren`t at Euro 2008 and that the Premiership will be starting again in August in their ads.

Doesn`t the average Englishman want to watch the best teams in Europe, even if it comes with the previso of no coverage on Sky ?

By the way, the sooner ESPN come in and buy Setanta the better. Setanta is making a loss at the moment and from what I hear, a sale to ESPN is inevitable .

With the finances ESPN have, they`ll blow Sky out of the water.
handyscore
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Posted: 11-May-2008 23:15
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There has been very little in the media about euro 2008 so far this includes the Irish press who don`t really have a lot to say because the English aren`t in it. When is that kicking off.
Micko Mc
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Posted: 11-May-2008 23:23
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Originally posted by handyscore:
There has been very little in the media about euro 2008 so far this includes the Irish press who don`t really have a lot to say because the English aren`t in it. When is that kicking off.

2nd week in June.

I`m looking forward to it anyways.
Tucker
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Posted: 11-May-2008 23:31
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Originally posted by Malcolm Byrne:
10 titles in 15 years, before that they`d won 7 in 115 years from 1878 to 1993. Sky and Murdoch have create  d a monster, a permanent duopoly of a League. Its no better than the Scottish League now in competitiveness. Manchester United invariably win the League every year because they have more money and are the biggest brand in the world soccer business. Soccer should introduce an American style salary cap system. You look at any of the American sports, you have 10-12 teams in contention in any given year.

Yeah, the franchise`s wealth is ruining English football. Like Chelsea they are in effect buying sucess every year. Definately agree with a salary cap - it would spread the talent throughout the league and open it up more. The draft system in the US obviously cannot be replicated but l think a wealth sharing system might work  (i.e. )  pool the profits of all the clubs and divide out equally to level the playing field. It would foster a greater team spirit and would ensure greater player loyalty.
uachtaran
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Posted: 12-May-2008 01:03
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Lads, I appreciate the sentiments but I`d like people to keep an ear out for concrete examples of what I`m talking about. Lies.

This is stuff for the some sort of watchdog - if not the advertisement complaints commission, then something similar. A 25 year old watching today - born in 1983/84 for example, might not realise the lies they`re being fed if they haven`t someone to tell them the truth  (nevermind kids ) . Its just wrong.

Someone has to shout stop. History and facts should be left as they are rather they being avoided for the sake of a good story. The opposing media are unable to compete with Murdoch, but the public are the lifeblood of all media and therefore should not put up with this.
Melissa
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Posted: 12-May-2008 01:33
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Originally posted by uachtaran:
Lads, I appreciate the sentiments but I`d like people to keep an ear out for concrete examples of what I`m talking about. Lies.

This is stuff for the some sort of watchdog - if not the advertisement complaints commission, then something similar. A 25 year old watching today - born in 1983/84 for example, might not realise the lies they`re being fed if they haven`t someone to tell them the truth   (nevermind kids  )  . Its just wrong.

Someone has to shout stop. History and facts should be left as they are rather they being avoided for the sake of a good story. The opposing media are unable to compete with Murdoch, but the public are the lifeblood of all media and therefore should not put up with this.

u,

i`m a bandwagon Utd fan and I had a serious financial interest in the title Today so I was watching very, very closely......Emile Heskey had a header around the 65/70 minute mark that was inches away from making it 1 - 1 so technically the title was still in doubt until the Giggs goal  (roughly 79/80 mins )  so technically it is possibly it was a lot closer to what it was being claimed to be than you are giving credit for.
sweetadare
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Posted: 12-May-2008 02:08
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Originally posted by Tucker:


Yeah, the franchise`s wealth is ruining English football. Like Chelsea they are in effect buying sucess every year. Definately agree with a salary cap - it would spread the talent throughout the league and open it up more. The draft system in the US obviously cannot be replicated but l think a wealth sharing system might work   (i.e.  )   pool the profits of all the clubs and divide out equally to level the playing field. It would foster a greater team spirit and would ensure greater player loyalty.
chelsea are `buying` success every year??? Forgive me, but Chelsea have won f**y all this year..yet...50 / 50 chance of winning champions league...if not, no title won this year,so dont give me that crap about them winning something very year!!!
Micko Mc
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Posted: 12-May-2008 07:53
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Originally posted by uachtaran:
Lads, I appreciate the sentiments but I`d like people to keep an ear out for concrete examples of what I`m talking about. Lies.

This is stuff for the some sort of watchdog - if not the advertisement complaints commission, then something similar. A 25 year old watching today - born in 1983/84 for example, might not realise the lies they`re being fed if they haven`t someone to tell them the truth    (nevermind kids   )   . Its just wrong.

Someone has to shout stop. History and facts should be left as they are rather they being avoided for the sake of a good story. The opposing media are unable to compete with Murdoch, but the public are the lifeblood of all media and therefore should not put up with this.

Well, Sky have said on a few occassions now that NASCAR is the highest form of motorsport in the world at present.

They started saying this funnilly enough when they got the rights. I dunno how many things are wrong with that statement.

That young one who is on Today FM in the mornings said she couldn`t believe how dramatic Sky were trying to make it yesterday. First time she really watched a game on Sky she said.
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willie mays hayes
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Posted: 12-May-2008 09:41
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Originally posted by sweetadare:
chelsea are `buying` success every year??? Forgive me, but Chelsea have won f**y all this year..yet...50 / 50 chance of winning champions league...if not, no title won this year,so dont give me that crap about them winning something very year!!!

chelsea bought their trophies with Russian mob money.

If you cant see that your delusional!
westip
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Posted: 12-May-2008 10:28
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Lads,
The only effective criticism is to cancel the subs to Sky...I don`t  (& won`t  )  have it but from what I have seen of it they do over-hype their own stuff. All this talk is just more publicity, and adding a waste of bandwith to a waste of airtime.
twiceasnice97
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Posted: 12-May-2008 11:04
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Originally posted by willie mays hayes:


chelsea bought their trophies with Russian mob money.

If you cant see that your delusional!

did they not win a few games along the way as well?
Malcolm Byrne
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Posted: 12-May-2008 11:29
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The irony is the English football public have for decades turned their noses up at Scottish football and its inherent uncompetitiveness due to the Celtic/Rangers duopoly. The position in England is no better now.
criodain
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Posted: 12-May-2008 11:42
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I`ll be honest, I`m starting to lose a bit of interest in the premier league. it`s the same few teams all the time, it`s gone really predictable . Well, you could say that it was down to the wire, but it was always only going to be a handful of teams  (the big 4 ) . Even Everton are far off joining those lot. Wigan will probably NEVER WIN THE PREMIER LEAGUE. They could stay in it for the next 20 years, but will probably never be in with a shout to win it, and I just think that`s wrong and I wouldn`t be interested in watching the same few teams all the time cleaning up..
At least the aussie rules  (as far as I`m aware )  have a salary cap and draft system, so at least there is a small bit more of an even keel.
The Italian league is the same  (predictable  ) , Spain, maybe a little less so, as some of the smaller teams have done well in the last few years,but I`ve become browned off with it altogether.
Is the GAA the same these days? Would the likes of Carlow be thinking "WE WILL NEVER WIN AN ALL IRELAND"....
sam
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Posted: 12-May-2008 11:47
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Originally posted by Micko Mc:
I was thinking the exact same thing today.

How Andy Gray of all people said it was a closer finish than Anfield 1989 is completely beyond me. An incredible statement full of bulls**h.

Sky like to hype what they have and destroy what they don`t.

You`ll find that the Premiership, La Liga, Premiership Rugby, Heineken Cup and such get hyped.

Serie A, Formula 1 actually get slated. I`ll never forget the time they had the crew from Sky Italia saying that the Premiership was much better viewing than Serie A. As if Italians would really say that.

Sky Sports News is then the outlet they use to advertise what they have. Its advertised as a news channel. Its only a news channel for sports they cover. Other sports aren`t covered at all.

Spot on. Its got to the point where I can`t watch SKy at all, I cant stand the way they do business and without sounding like a prude they seem determined to make porn and/or lapdancing mainstream.
bbDC
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Posted: 23-May-2008 11:50
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Tonights championship play off between Bristol City and Hull City has been billed as "the richest game in world football" by Sky this morning
South Limerick Referee
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Posted: 23-May-2008 11:56
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Some people are taking this a little too personally.......

Dont like it....Dont watch it......or more importantly dont pay for it!
LimerickNomad
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Posted: 23-May-2008 12:07
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Originally posted by bbDC:
Tonights championship play off between Bristol City and Hull City has been billed as "the richest game in world football" by Sky this morning

Is it not worth the winner the guts of £40M?

Perhaps it is true.

The big game of the weekend is on *Sun*day though...
Slurry Agitator
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Posted: 23-May-2008 12:37
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Originally posted by LimerickNomad:


Is it not worth the winner the guts of £40M?

Perhaps it is true.

The big game of the weekend is on *Sun*day though...

Without doubt!!!
MOT!
Rokocoko
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Posted: 23-May-2008 14:10
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Sky do fill the screens with savage bulls**t.
I watch it because I have a big interest in the games.
But the key is to ignore their hype.
If that bothers anyone too much, then don`t subscribe to Sky.

But I do agree. Sky have their own agenda & if fellas out there aren`t aware of real history & not what Sky believe to be history   (i.e. since the eraly 90`s  )  , then brainwashing is inevitable   I`m afraid.

You only have to see the difference in Souness from a Tuesday night with RTE to a Wednesday night with Sky. A completely different man ....
From Dunphy, Giles & Brady to Redknapp, Hoddle & Wilkins .... Nuff said ....
This message has been edited - 23-may-2008 @ 14:23
tributary
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Posted: 23-May-2008 21:41
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Originally posted by uachtaran:
Brainwashing by Sky - do they ever give up

YOUNG man . let me explain something . SKY are selling a product so they hype their product . Nothing new there

they exist to make money and not to give a qualitative analysis per se less so ensure the integrity of sporting archives

hope that helps you understand

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