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Topic: GPA have met Cullen
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Posted: 30-Jun-2009 19:10
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Statement on behalf of the Gaelic Players Association

June 30, 2009

Talks have taken place between the Minister for Arts Sports and Tourism Martin Cullen T.D, his Department officials and the GPA concerning the status of Government Funding for inter-county players. The GPA is making no comment on the issue at this point.


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osceola
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Posted: 30-Jun-2009 21:02
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Originally posted by Site Admin:
GPA have met Cullen
Waiting on the final decision from Cullen, I`m sure.If he wipes the grants out accross the board thats one thing but if he singles out gaelic players then there should and will be total outrage.....Has our president Mr Cooney made any statement on this very important issue yet,or is he just waiting in the long grass?
dubliner 2
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Posted: 30-Jun-2009 21:04
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Originally posted by osceola:
Has our president Mr Cooney made any statement on this very important issue yet,or is he just waiting in the long grass?

Why would he? It has nothing to do with him.
osceola
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Posted: 30-Jun-2009 21:15
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Originally posted by dubliner 2:


Why would he? It has nothing to do with him.
You can`t be serious,can you.Surely your trying to wind me up??
dubliner 2
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Posted: 30-Jun-2009 21:19
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Originally posted by osceola:
You can`t be serious,can you.Surely your trying to wind me up??

The grants are a matter for the players and the Government. What has that got to do with Christy Cooney????
osceola
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Posted: 30-Jun-2009 21:33
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Originally posted by dubliner 2:


The grants are a matter for the players and the Government. What has that got to do with Christy Cooney????
Is Cooney not their president as well as yours,does he not represent all things GAA?Has not a sizeable grant already being bestowed on his good self.Surely to God he should be encouraging the goverment to do what it can in support of our indigenous games.His silence  (or paddyism ) is nothing short of disgraceful and what a glorious opportunity lost on his part to forge a bond with the stars of our games.
spade caller
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Posted: 30-Jun-2009 22:13
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Originally posted by osceola:
Is Cooney not their president as well as yours,does he not represent all things GAA?Has not a sizeable grant already being bestowed on his good self.Surely to God he should be encouraging the goverment to do what it can in support of our indigenous games.His silence   (or paddyism  )  is nothing short of disgraceful and what a glorious opportunity lost on his part to forge a bond with the stars of our games.

i think you`ll find Mr. Cooney is president of the GAA, Dessie Farrel i think is the top man in the GPA. Mr. Cooney deals with the government on GAA issues, this is a GPA issue ergo Mr. Cooney doesn`t deal with the governent regarding it. Simple really
Glinnti Glasa
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Posted: 30-Jun-2009 22:16
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Originally posted by osceola:
You can`t be serious,can you.Surely your trying to wind me up??

Are you trying to wind us up?
osceola
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Posted: 30-Jun-2009 22:26
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Originally posted by Glinnti Glasa:


Are you trying to wind us up?
Tell me I`m wrong GG,like I said,if the goverment wipes the grants out accross the board I could understand it given the present economic climate but if it specifically singles out the Gaa players then I have a problem with it,and yes Cooney in my view should be standing behind the people he represents and not peeking out from under some rock.
McBubba
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Posted: 30-Jun-2009 22:41
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Originally posted by osceola:
Is Cooney not their president as well as yours,does he not represent all things GAA?Has not a sizeable grant already being bestowed on his good self.Surely to God he should be encouraging the goverment to do what it can in support of our indigenous games.His silence   (or paddyism  )  is nothing short of disgraceful and what a glorious opportunity lost on his part to forge a bond with the stars of our games.
spot on boy,paddyism i like it.
dubliner 2
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Posted: 30-Jun-2009 22:54
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Originally posted by osceola:
Cooney in my view should be standing behind the people he represents

He is. He is standing by the vast majority of the Association of which he is president who want no truck with the GPA.
osceola
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Posted: 30-Jun-2009 23:03
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Originally posted by dubliner 2:


He is. He is standing by the vast majority of the Association of which he is president who want no truck with the GPA.
I had no idea he had taken such a stance d2,when did this come about and why would the "vast majority" have and issue with it.?
a langer boy
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Posted: 30-Jun-2009 23:07
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Now lads it will go like this over the summer!

No interviews!

No prematch parades!

Then delay a game or two by 15 minutes!

Then a strike! this will not be referred to as a strike!

Then the usual ballyho about not blocking anyone else from from playing with the County team like!

Then the media outriders, shannon, humphries, o`flynn duignan, sean kelly et al will roll in behind the poor players.

So lads are we ready for them this time? We are only putting off the day when they will wreck the Association anyway, its better to plan now. Any threat to the All-Ireland series should result in the the lot being called off and be done with it! Lets get on with the club action and we`ll see what image rights are important then!
osceola
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Posted: 30-Jun-2009 23:14
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a langer boy look at the title of the thread its about the goverment grants,stay focused.We all know the clubs are important,its not rocket science.
JHume
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Posted: 30-Jun-2009 23:47
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I was reading Sean Moran in the Irish Times today and it struck me that this payment issue can be resolved by doing a R42 on it – a plebicite of the membership.

The GAA has money. The GPA want a percentage of overall GAA income to fund schemes for the elite players. If the GAA were to give the GPA what it wants, there would be less money to spend elsewhere. Moran also mentioned the €30 million shortfall for capital spending arising from the termination of the lottery funded sports capital scheme.

Let there be an open debate on the facts and the figures. Let each side spell out its case in detail. Let clubs discuss it like they did R42. And vote on it at Congress next April – or even a Special Congress in the autumn.
intothewesht
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Posted: 30-Jun-2009 23:49
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Was there any Leech`s with Cullen?
dubliner 2
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Posted: 30-Jun-2009 23:59
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Originally posted by JHume:
I was reading Sean Moran in the Irish Times today and it struck me that this payment issue can be resolved by doing a R42 on it – a plebicite of the membership.

The GAA has money. The GPA want a percentage of overall GAA income to fund schemes for the elite players. If the GAA were to give the GPA what it wants, there would be less money to spend elsewhere. Moran also mentioned the €30 million shortfall for capital spending arising from the termination of the lottery funded sports capital scheme.

Let there be an open debate on the facts and the figures. Let each side spell out its case in detail. Let clubs discuss it like they did R42. And vote on it at Congress next April – or even a Special Congress in the autumn.

Great idea. We`d see soon enough what support the "elites" have.
osceola
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Posted: 01-Jul-2009 00:21
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Originally posted by dubliner 2:


Great idea. We`d see soon enough what support the "elites" have.
Don`t be so confrontational d2 the players may have more support than you thing....and its not such a bad idea JHume,I`m waiting for Cullen`s final decision first though as I`m sure everyone else is
aierlan1000
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Posted: 01-Jul-2009 00:54
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The first thing the Government should do is stop the grants completely. Kenny Egan and these other so-called "athletes" shouldn`t be getting any either but the GAA grants are ridiculous and have to be cut. It`s insane that the Government would use taxpayers money to fund them. Any money going to the players is a matter entirely between the GAA and the players. Although I agree that a lot of money is being squandered on other grants and tax breaks and the players would be right to be unhappy about it. They`d all go if I was in charge.
cornafean
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Posted: 01-Jul-2009 09:38
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Originally posted by osceola:
Has our president Mr Cooney made any statement on this very important issue yet,or is he just waiting in the long grass?

I presume he has decided not to make any comment at this stage. Like yourself, he`s probably " waiting for Cullen`s final decision first though as I`m sure everyone else is".

This may be to avoid being blamed by other sporting bodies   (particularly those representing minority sports )    for the imminent slashing of sports funding across the board. Sean Cavanagh, Dessie etc would also do well to consider this possibility.



I presume he has decided not to make any comment at this stage. Like yourself, he`s probably " waiting for Cullen`s final decision first though as I`m sure everyone else is".

This may be to avoid being blamed by other sporting bodies   (particularly those representing minority sports )    for the imminent slashing of sports funding across the board. Sean Cavanagh, Dessie etc would also do well to consider this possibility.

Originally posted by osceola:


Has not a sizeable grant already being bestowed on his good self....what a glorious opportunity lost on his part to forge a bond with the stars of our games.

I`m bemused by your flowery language. Are you a lawyer or something .  . )   
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cornafean
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Posted: 01-Jul-2009 09:39
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posted twice in error
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redlead
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Posted: 01-Jul-2009 09:45
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One thing I will say about GAA grants is that they actually always seem unfair to the other sports. One poster said that the likes of Kenny Egan and other"so called athletes" should not be getting grants, this is wrong.

When I studied in DCU I played squash and not gaa and the likes of the squash club always struggled to get any sort of money which was distributed by the college, who were pouring money into the GAA club so they could win the Siegerson    (which they did   )   . I don`t know but I presume that the gov give a lump sum to each UNI for sports and they decide how to distribute it. GAA always seems to come out on top here anyway.
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Ozzy
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Posted: 01-Jul-2009 09:52
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Originally posted by a langer boy:
Now lads it will go like this over the summer!

No interviews!

No prematch parades!

Then delay a game or two by 15 minutes!

Then a strike! this will not be referred to as a strike!

Then the usual ballyho about not blocking anyone else from from playing with the County team like!

Then the media outriders, shannon, humphries, o`flynn duignan, sean kelly et al will roll in behind the poor players.

So lads are we ready for them this time? We are only putting off the day when they will wreck the Association anyway, its better to plan now. Any threat to the All-Ireland series should result in the the lot being called off and be done with it! Lets get on with the club action and we`ll see what image rights are important then!

Very good, I`d say you`ve outlined the most likely scenario.
I wouldn`t begrudge the players the grants at all, but in fairness they don`t have a right to the State`s money and if the grants are cut, given the present climate I don`t think anyone can complain.
I presume that tax breaks for pro sportspeople either have been abolished already or will be in the very near future. A stupid idea in the first place.
JHume
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Posted: 01-Jul-2009 10:12
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Originally posted by redlead:
One thing I will say about GAA grants is that they actually always seem unfair to the other sports. One poster said that the likes of Kenny Egan and other"so called athletes" should not be getting grants, this is wrong.

When I studied in DCU I played squash and not gaa and the likes of the squash club always struggled to get any sort of money which was distributed by the college, who were pouring money into the GAA club so they could win the Siegerson     (which they did    )    . I don`t know but I presume that the gov give a lump sum to each UNI for sports and they decide how to distribute it. GAA always seems to come out on top here anyway.

I don`t think the Govt gives universities lump sums for sport.

When I was in college, I was involved with the volleyball club and our funding, and all club funding – paid by the college, not the Govt, and there were still fees in those days – was based on membership. So every year at Fairs Day we would put a big effort into signing up members at 20p a head.

We had more money than we knew what to do with. Yes, the football, hurling and soccer clubs got more than us, but we did very nicely. I recall staying all expenses paid in a hotel at the intervarsities when other teams were kipping on floors in local student flats.
long danny
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Posted: 01-Jul-2009 13:37
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I wonder will the millions given to the horses and dogs be touched? The people in control of this business are already multi-millionaires and the fact that they get money to cover sponsorship of races was criminal even during the `boom`.

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