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Topic: Brolly thinks Kerry are in Terminal decline.
marym
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Posted: 01-Jul-2009 10:31
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The outspoken Derry man feels Tyrone have the indian sign over the Kingdom and that Cork have now emerged as the most serious threat to Tyrone in the race for Sam Maguire.

In a fascinating appraisal of the state of play in the football championship on the first day of July, Brolly said: "There are real signs that Tyrone have put Kerry in terminal decline. Jack O’Connor came back solely to work out the Tyrone conundrum and he may have underestimated the psychological damage Tyrone have inflicted on his squad.

"I think deep down the Kerry players feel they can’t beat Tyrone in a big game in Croke Park. Last year was their greatest opportunity and in spite of the fact that they had such a devastating full-forward line, and that Tyrone were shorn of their best forwards, Tyrone still beat them and without playing that well."

Brolly sees further evidence for his theory in the Tyrone-Kerry league game this year.

"At half-time Tyrone were about 10 down but then stuck into Kerry and cut them in two in the second half. The clock just ran out on them. Even though Tyrone lost that game they came out with a psychological advantage. Kerry haven’t learned anything from Tyrone. Declan O’Sullivan still goes on long solo runs out of his own defence, the Kerry backs set up man to man and their midfield remains immobile."

Brolly feels Cork are now better equipped to succeed on the September Road. "Cork have to dominate Kerry if they’re to win an All-Ireland and that process is well underway. Unlike the last couple of seasons, when I said the preceding games were meaningless, this is different. Cork dismantled Monaghan in Croke Park. People said Monaghan weren’t up for it, but their strength has always been in the middle third of the field which they turned it into a quagmire for Kerry in recent years, only for Kieran Donaghy to rescue them. Cork dominated there totally against Monaghan."

The Derry man says Cork have learned how to play against Kerry from Tyrone. "After beating Kerry, Tyrone’s focus will now have moved to Cork. They just want to win an All-Ireland but this is a new and unexpected element for Tyrone. Kerry seem to me to be in decline. Tommy Walsh is a one-trick pony – if he gets the ball 40 yards from goal and you stay close to him he’ll barge past you and head for goal, but if you stand off him and wait for him to come onto his left then he won’t do any damage.

"Tyrone figured that out for the All-Ireland final last year, and Cork have learned from that. Walsh doesn’t have the speed of thought or foot to deal with proper, logical defending. Colm Cooper can only do so much for Kerry, while Cork are approaching the game cleverly.

"In Killarney, when Kerry had the ball on the wing they transferred it through the middle, where Colm Cooper made diagonal runs across the middle. his outside players didn’t even have to look when delivering it.

"In the replay Anthony Lynch stayed inside him so he made those runs first. The Kerry players weren’t looking where they delivered it again but that was because of the force of Cork’s tackling, and Lynch came away with the ball every time.

"You can’t beat logical defending. When Tyrone played Derry in the league they put PJ Quinn, just out of school, on Eoin Bradley, who was running up big scores. PJ was told to keep Bradley off his left foot so he took a big step out to Eoin’s left every time and out of his 21 possessions, Eoin had to lay it off with the hand 20 times. Clever football."

Brolly concedes Kerry have one player, however, who might turn things around for them. "Kieran Donaghy is Kerry’s most important player. That was underlined when they began their experiment with him, because Cork couldn’t do anything with him. It’s like what Art McRory said about Frank McGuigan – you couldn’t give him a bad pass.

"Donaghy is a great team player – great hands, great vision – and the most extraordinary thing to come into Gaelic football since Bomber Liston. Kerry will suffer without him because Colm Cooper is markable. Physically he’s markable, and you can double-team him, as Tyrone do.

"You can’t mark Donaghy. If he’s ruled out for the rest of the season then there is no chance of Kerry winning an All-Ireland. He changes the whole dynamic – they don’t have to run the ball through, they can put it over a packed defence and into him.

"That was their problem last year. Tommy Walsh came in and had an impact for them in the championship, which they didn’t expect, and they were left wondering what to do with Donaghy, Walsh and Cooper.

"They brought Cooper out as a play-maker behind the centre-forward, which was a disaster because he couldn’t get scores, and Walsh was getting in Donaghy’s road.

"Walsh isn’t a good playmaker because it takes him too long to think. Donaghy is very good because he’s a quick thinker, the ball’s there and it’s gone. Cooper should have played off Donaghy, not Walsh."

Brolly, however, admires Cork’s forward line. He said: "Cork have cohesion up front – I have some doubts about James Masters at full-forward but he’s good at that new role laying the ball off, there are enough hard runners around him, and I like the look of Daniel Goulding, particularly as he takes points off his left on the left-hand side – he’s coming into his confidence but could have gone for goal once or twice in the last game.

"There’s more in Donncha O’Connor. My question is where he has the fighting spirit, and he’ll need that if he ends up marking Conor Gormley. There’s massive focus on him and all that will hold him back is if he lacks that, though that’s an ‘if’."

Brolly sees Cork’s fitness and power as crucial advantages. "Short of a revitalised Kerry, or Tyrone, I don’t think there’s a team which can beat Cork, particularly the way they’re going. People have expressed concerns about playing so well in June, but they have good foot and handpassing skills, their fitness is good.

"I’d like one of their full-forwards become a leader, but that might well come. If your midfield-half-back and half-forwards are 6’2" to 6’6", 16 stone and they’re all coming at speed and in numbers, that’s irresistible. All that can hold you back after that is finishing.

"And they have strength in depth. Fintan Goold, for instance, was able to come on for Nicholas Murphy. And where in the country would you get anyone like Anthony Lynch, a warrior and a Gaeilgeoir? If my daughter said she was going to marry him I’d go down on my knees and thank the Lord. No dowry would be too large for the Lynch family."


Read more: http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/brolly-kerry-in-terminal-decline-95280.html#ixzz0JzxM3hRH&C
ollscoil
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Posted: 01-Jul-2009 10:59
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I`d agree with a lot of that, I think Cork will knock Tyrone out of the championship at the semi final stage and go on to win the final. I don`t see Kerry regrouping to win the AI this year but they will get to the QF`s at least and it will then depend on who they meet but I`d say there are 3 or 4 counties that could beat Kerry this year and Tyrone or Cork would definitely beat them.
the gundy
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Posted: 01-Jul-2009 19:09
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Wouldnt Brolly just love that. However, I doubt very much if he believes it. Will not be surprised to hear him singing their praises once again like the windbag that he is before the Summer is over.Love the way Pat rounded on him last Sunday saying that he must have been the greatest goal scorer of all time.
Glinnti Glasa
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Posted: 01-Jul-2009 19:17
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Originally posted by the gundy:
Wouldnt Brolly just love that. However, I doubt very much if he believes it. Will not be surprised to hear him singing their praises once again like the windbag that he is before the Summer is over.Love the way Pat rounded on him last Sunday saying that he must have been the greatest goal scorer of all time.

Good old Pat and his even older granny. I believe Brolly is spot on. Cork could have beaten Kerry by 15 points. If donaghy comes back and it`s a big if, he will not make that much of a difference.
The referee
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Posted: 01-Jul-2009 23:05
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i thought it was colm o`rourke rounded on brolly about his goalscoring exploits???

Originally posted by the gundy:
Wouldnt Brolly just love that. However, I doubt very much if he believes it. Will not be surprised to hear him singing their praises once again like the windbag that he is before the Summer is over.Love the way Pat rounded on him last Sunday saying that he must have been the greatest goal scorer of all time.
Cu Chulainn
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Posted: 01-Jul-2009 23:11
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It was Colm O Rourke
The referee
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Posted: 01-Jul-2009 23:14
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o`rourke often cuts across Brolly and has a cut off him

Originally posted by Cu Chulainn:
It was Colm O Rourke
marym
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Posted: 01-Jul-2009 23:24
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To make matters worse fo Kerry is the news from the Kingdom is that Tadgh Kennelly is in a Dublin hospital undergoing surgery for a broken arm. He was Kerrys best player against Cork.
The referee
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Posted: 01-Jul-2009 23:34
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say it aint so. he was one of the better kerry players in the cork games.

he was also outstanding for Feale Rangers in the county championship last weekend and appeared to be getting better with the more game time he was getting

Originally posted by marym:
To make matters worse fo Kerry is the news from the Kingdom is that Tadgh Kennelly is in a Dublin hospital undergoing surgery for a broken arm. He was Kerrys best player against Cork.
banana man
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Posted: 02-Jul-2009 00:32
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its most definitely true that this kerry team are gone - it doesn`t take brolly or any other genius to know that..

any team that feels they have to field a centre midfielder whose two stone overweight  (o`se )  and a forward whose injured  (walsh ) , is in serious disaray..

kerry are in decline alright and if they get a poor draw in the qualifiers, they might not even make the all ireland quarter finals - which is a seriously poor return, considering the standard is average at best this year...
ollscoil
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Posted: 02-Jul-2009 01:09
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Why do people keep spouting this rubbish that the standard is average this year, if anything it looks like we might have more quality teams than in quite a number of years. Kildare, Cork, Dublin and Mayo all look to have improved from last year, Armagh too for that matter. And teams like Galway, Derry and Donegal should improve on what they`ve shown so far. Throw in Tyrone and Kerry and we should see some fantastic games, shocks and maybe even a different AI winner from the big two.
upthebranner
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Posted: 02-Jul-2009 01:39
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Originally posted by banana man:
its most definitely true that this kerry team are gone - it doesn`t take brolly or any other genius to know that..

any team that feels they have to field a centre midfielder whose two stone overweight   (o`se  )   and a forward whose injured   (walsh  )  , is in serious disaray..

kerry are in decline alright and if they get a poor draw in the qualifiers, they might not even make the all ireland quarter finals - which is a seriously poor return, considering the standard is average at best this year...

a centre midfielder, no less!!!!
is that a new position?
yaya toure
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Posted: 02-Jul-2009 01:49
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that article brolly wrote will probably be pinned to the dressing room now.

a handy draw in the qualifers and donaghy back you never know theyv done it before.brolly seems to be writing them off completly when walsh (playd but struggeld with injury )  and donaghy werent even playing against cork.id be very suprised if the midfield problem isnt sorted by now.remember they did win the division 1 league.

what are the odds on kerry for sam now?
DavidO'Carlo/Wex
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Posted: 02-Jul-2009 03:08
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Originally posted by yaya toure:
what are the odds on kerry for sam now?

As requested from PPs Online.

Tyrone 6/4, Cork 10/3, Kerry 7/2, Dublin 13/2,
Kildare 14/1, Mayo/Galway 16/1, Derry 33/1
Armagh 66/1, Meath/Monaghan 80/1, 100/1 Bar.
Carlow 2,500/1  (My Nap! ) 
banana man
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Posted: 02-Jul-2009 09:21
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Originally posted by upthebranner:

a centre midfielder, no less!!!!
is that a new position?

ouch, good one
Up da Crokes!
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Posted: 02-Jul-2009 11:15
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And how many people said the same thing about Tyrone last year after they lost to Down.
Glinnti Glasa
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Posted: 02-Jul-2009 11:37
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Originally posted by Up da Crokes!:
And how many people said the same thing about Tyrone last year after they lost to Down.

The Dublin media clowns did. One eejit on rté said that the Dubs were on their way up and Tyrone were on their way down before the game started. I wet myself laughing at him.
maroonandwhite
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Posted: 02-Jul-2009 11:42
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Originally posted by DavidO`Carlo/Wex:

As requested from PPs Online.

Tyrone 6/4, Cork 10/3, Kerry 7/2, Dublin 13/2,
Kildare 14/1, Mayo/Galway 16/1, Derry 33/1
Armagh 66/1, Meath/Monaghan 80/1, 100/1 Bar.
Carlow 2,500/1   (My Nap!  )  

the horsey set must be loading on kildare, they beat an all at sea wexford team and poor offaly and laois sides and they`re supposedly better positioned than galway mayo derry and armagh, mar dhea
Bodach an Cóta Lachna
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Posted: 02-Jul-2009 12:01
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Originally posted by maroonandwhite:


the horsey set must be loading on kildare, they beat an all at sea wexford team and poor offaly and laois sides and they`re supposedly better positioned than galway mayo derry and armagh, mar dhea

Well, Armagh and Derry have only one more bite at the cherry so to speak, but I take your point that the bookies are being a bit niggardly towards Kildare with those odds. Are you putting yolur cash on Galway yourself?
maroonandwhite
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Posted: 02-Jul-2009 13:51
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Originally posted by Bodach an Cóta Lachna:


Well, Armagh and Derry have only one more bite at the cherry so to speak, but I take your point that the bookies are being a bit niggardly towards Kildare with those odds. Are you putting yolur cash on Galway yourself?

not to win it out but they have way too much football for kildare is all i`m saying
the gundy
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Posted: 02-Jul-2009 20:20
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Originally posted by Bodach an Cóta Lachna:


Well, Armagh and Derry have only one more bite at the cherry so to speak, but I take your point that the bookies are being a bit niggardly towards Kildare with those odds. Are you putting yolur cash on Galway yourself?
Wow. There is that word niggardly.A chap running for Mayor in Washington D.C. got himself in big trouble a few years back over the use of that word.
BONZO
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Posted: 02-Jul-2009 20:54
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Whether or not you agree with Brolly is n`t it great to read some intelligent, original, thought-provoking, interesting analysis. It`s so rare. I can`t think of anything remotely similar in recent times.
clon4life
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Posted: 05-Jul-2009 01:11
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kerry for sam.
Plastic Paddy
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Posted: 05-Jul-2009 02:17
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Originally posted by clon4life:
kerry for sam.

And God for us all.
Rollover
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Posted: 05-Jul-2009 13:47
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Originally posted by Plastic Paddy:


And God for us all.

well, we all need structure!
kerry not in terminal decline because:
1.qualifiers
2.walshes,scanlon, young etc etc

just because kerry aren`t making or winning the final EVERY year doesn`t mean they are in decline!

7/2 eh....... hmmm....
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