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stringies (552 Posts)	Posted: 01-Jul-2009 14:37	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
stringies (552 Posts)	Cody: We’re not remotely dirty By Diarmuid O’Flynn The Examiner Tuesday, June 30, 2009 BRIAN CODY complaining about physicality? Surely not. Hardly a shrinking violet in his own days as an old-fashioned, towering full-back, since taking over as Kilkenny manager a decade ago, Cody’s teams have been noted for their prowess in the physical stakes. Their supreme hurling ability is a given, their skill innate, but Cody’s current crop doesn’t just outhurl teams, they outmuscle them, overpower them, overwhelm them every which way. Which was why it came as something of a shock to the system yesterday in Nowlan Park, where Cody was endorsing the continued link with Lucozade Sport, to hear the Kilkenny manager declare that in all of his team’s most recent big games, they were the ones being bullied. "Everyone talks about us and physicality but I believe we probably played second fiddle in the physicality stakes over the last few matches. I would say we played second fiddle the last day to Galway, I would say we played second fiddle to Tipperary in the league final, and I would say Waterford intended playing first fiddle to us in the physicality stakes in the All-Ireland final. And that’s fine, I don’t have a problem with that. I’d prefer if we weren’t playing second fiddle in any way but I don’t have a problem with the approach of teams or anything like that. Everybody just goes at the game, it’s the reaction to it that can confuse a bit." Part of that reaction is that Kilkenny have been accused of living on the edge, most recently by Galway’s Joe Canning, the finger being pointed at wing-back Tommy Walsh especially. "I would hate to think Tommy is not a player who plays on the edge," says Cody. "Where are you supposed to play? I’m not sure about ‘playing on the edge’, what some people’s definition is. He’s a very competitive player, like all our players are." The incident that really had people talking in the win over Galway involved Walsh bringing down goal-bound Galway’s Andy Smith just minutes after being yellow-carded for pulling across the hand of Damien Hayes. A definite yellow card, leading to a red, reckoned many pundits – wrong, says Cody. "I don’t know, there seemingly was a lot of talk about that. I would say for certain if that happened out the field it wouldn’t have been a free. I saw several examples of it happening throughout the field and it wasn’t a free. If referees are allowed to officiate the thing in the spirit of the game then it makes for great games. I think the lasting thing from the Galway match and from the Tipperary League final as well is the sheer, absolute brilliance of both games. It’s a physical game – you can’t say it’s a man’s game because people start talking about ‘What’s a man’s game?’ But it was all very genuine, all very honest." So the accusation against Tommy Walsh is unfair? "It is, it’s unjust and unfair, but that’s the way it works. We carry on and do what we do. Tommy Walsh is one of the finest hurlers any of us have ever seen and he’s just a phenomenally skilful player. I’m not concerned about Tommy in the slightest. I’d be concerned if he’s not around, that’s all. So we have that, and that’s the thing that’s being built up around us, but I would say we’re a very genuine team who play absolutely with a great spirit. And without a shadow of a doubt, we’re competitive every time we go out. "We’ll always be competitive and I would say that’s something that’s a great thing to have in a team. Dirt is absolutely not even a remote element of our panel. Hurling is a physical game and my God if that’s ever taken out of it, the game is dead. It’s full blooded, it’s manly, it’s genuine, it’s decent. "It happens when a team is successful for a while that all sorts of agendas come out of the sky. "That’s all part of it, it doesn’t bother me at all. But I do know for certain that we never, ever, ever go out with the intention of playing anything but within the rules." Nevertheless the perception is there, so much so that now, having been criticised for not sending off Tommy Walsh against Galway, referees may feel under pressure to ‘balance the books’. Not on, claims Cody. "Nobody should be victimised. If you’re being victimised, that’s wrong, but ultimately, for all the talk about it, it’s more of an insult to the referee than anything else because what you’re suggesting is that the referee didn’t do what he should have done." He’s right, of course. hurling is a physical sport, and in every physical sport the most successful teams are usually those who do live on the edge. What Galway, Tipperary and Waterford last September have all tried to do was match Kilkenny in that department, and Dublin too, this Sunday, will try to do likewise. It’s the least they can do, and even then it’s only a beginning, because Kilkenny are so much more than just physical. Brian Cody’s observation above? Make no mistake about it, while it’s meant to be noted by a wider public, the real target audience will be between the white lines in Nowlan Park for the next few evenings. Dublin, be warned – under this man, Kilkenny won’t be taking backward steps, against anyone.
Ciaran Whelan's Surgical Gloves (34 Posts)	Posted: 01-Jul-2009 17:16	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Ciaran Whelan's Surgical Gloves (34 Posts)	At least he didn`t mention ballet. Dublin look out. AFter having it put up to them in their last two big matches I`d say they will want to lay down a marker on Sunday.
FTJC (1,138 Posts)	Posted: 01-Jul-2009 17:19	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
FTJC (1,138 Posts)	Originally posted by stringies: Cody: We’re not remotely dirty The incident that really had people talking in the win over Galway involved Walsh bringing down goal-bound Galway’s Andy Smith just minutes after being yellow-carded for pulling across the hand of Damien Hayes. A definite yellow card, leading to a red, reckoned many pundits – wrong, says Cody. "I don’t know, there seemingly was a lot of talk about that. I would say for certain if that happened out the field it wouldn’t have been a free. I saw several examples of it happening throughout the field and it wasn’t a free. If referees are allowed to officiate the thing in the spirit of the game then it makes for great games. I think the lasting thing from the Galway match and from the Tipperary League final as well is the sheer, absolute brilliance of both games. It’s a physical game – you can’t say it’s a man’s game because people start talking about ‘What’s a man’s game?’ But it was all very genuine, all very honest." ". Absolute greatest LOAD OF BULL I have ever read in my life. I doubt if Cody would be taking the same view if Ollie Canning was on a yellow and pulled down Eddie Brennan when he`s through on goal. Several things that did happen out the field was low pulling on a high drop ping ball without any free being given. Then of course, Richie Murray, gets a straight red for making contact with a lads helmet. So little innocent Tommy Tucker pulls across Damien Hayes` hand when he was angling for a point and gets a yellow (alot would say straight red ) . Then 5 minutes later he pulls down Andy Smith when he`s through on goal and while the ref thinks it`s worthy of a free in, he chokes on giving poor oul` Tommy the second yellow! Sure how in the hell are you supposed to beat Kilkenny when they can foul like hell and still have 15 men on the park and the Galway guys giving it hell for leather putting it up to them in their first year of this lopsided "Leinster" championship get penalised for playing the game in the right spirit, but when one guy (Murray ) steps slightly out of line he gets a no mercy straight red!!! Games where Kilkenny were lucky to survive are always "sheer and absolute brilliance"....as long as KIlkenny win. When they lose, alá 2005 against Galway, the patronising "sheer and absolute brilliance" quotes are parked and the p*********ing and moaning starts. This message has been edited - 01-jul-2009 @ 17:36
bold1970 (907 Posts)	Posted: 01-Jul-2009 17:38	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
bold1970 (907 Posts)	Originally posted by Ciaran Whelan`s Surgical Gloves: At least he didn`t mention ballet. Dublin look out. AFter having it put up to them in their last two big matches I`d say they will want to lay down a marker on Sunday. Ciaran whelan`s Surgical Gloves.....oh ffs! your name says enough for any of your comments not to be taken seriously.
richardrichard (117 Posts)	Posted: 01-Jul-2009 17:39	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
richardrichard (117 Posts)	Agreed FTJC, the Brian Cody love in continues...
northantrimhound (14 Posts)	Posted: 01-Jul-2009 17:46	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
northantrimhound (14 Posts)	cody would have been better to keep quiet on this one, defending the undefendable here. Having said that its not his fault that barry kelly seems to chicken out when administering rules with killkenny and cork to. i can tell u one thing if an antrim player would have done what walsh done he would have walked the first time thats the strange thing about these inconsistancies, they seem to benefit the likes of kilkenny and god they dont need any help do they.
The Horse McCool (3,197 Posts)	Posted: 01-Jul-2009 18:01	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
The Horse McCool (3,197 Posts)	Originally posted by FTJC: Absolute greatest LOAD OF BULL I have ever read in my life. I doubt if Cody would be taking the same view if Ollie Canning was on a yellow and pulled down Eddie Brennan when he`s through on goal. Several things that did happen out the field was low pulling on a high drop ping ball without any free being given. Then of course, Richie Murray, gets a straight red for making contact with a lads helmet. So little innocent Tommy Tucker pulls across Damien Hayes` hand when he was angling for a point and gets a yellow (alot would say straight red ) . Then 5 minutes later he pulls down Andy Smith when he`s through on goal and while the ref thinks it`s worthy of a free in, he chokes on giving poor oul` Tommy the second yellow! Sure how in the hell are you supposed to beat Kilkenny when they can foul like hell and still have 15 men on the park and the Galway guys giving it hell for leather putting it up to them in their first year of this lopsided "Leinster" championship get penalised for playing the game in the right spirit, but when one guy (Murray ) steps slightly out of line he gets a no mercy straight red!!! Games where Kilkenny were lucky to survive are always "sheer and absolute brilliance"....as long as KIlkenny win. When they lose, alá 2005 against Galway, the patronising "sheer and absolute brilliance" quotes are parked and the p*********ing and moaning starts. Cody is just winding you up...and succeeding!
Rebel CNC (4,232 Posts)	Posted: 01-Jul-2009 18:03	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Rebel CNC (4,232 Posts)	Originally posted by northantrimhound: cody would have been better to keep quiet on this one, defending the undefendable here. Having said that its not his fault that barry kelly seems to chicken out when administering rules with killkenny and cork to. . Barry Kelly has no issues with administering rules with Cork. It was Cork that first found out in 2006 that Kelly had a blind spot for KK tactic of grabbing the hurley as opponent tries to break free of the tackle. Kelly also doesn`t seem to realise that it`s a foul to tackle opponent with your free hand. Cork didn`t raise the issue because in fairness they were well beaten by KK the same day. However, adherence to the rule book by Kelly would have worked to Galway`s advantage last Sat week.
Ungrateful_Whelp (2,781 Posts)	Posted: 01-Jul-2009 19:35	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Ungrateful_Whelp (2,781 Posts)	Originally posted by FTJC: Several things that did happen out the field was low pulling on a high drop ping ball without any free being given. Then of course, Richie Murray, gets a straight red for making contact with a lads helmet. . More upper arm than helmet, I thought. But there was no doubting the red card. Or that Walsh, who can be a sneaky little hoor when he wants, should have walked. Cody comes across a bit Alex Ferguson-ish in that, but then I suppose all managers will defend their players in the hilt. No need for the sycophantic tone from Diarmuid though.
curraghalickey (274 Posts)	Posted: 01-Jul-2009 20:19	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
curraghalickey (274 Posts)	I do not believe what is going on here. The Feile was on that weekend so I attended the Galway V Kilkenny game and being a Corkman I was neutral. The incident involving Walsh striking the Galway player`s FINGER would not warrant a free, in my estimation, but for the fact that the Galway man took a dive and the crowd`s reaction influenced the referee. If we continue with the present system of analytical examination of every refereeing decision and seeking motives for every action by the officials the game of hurling will become a complete non-contact sport. On Sunday last I attended a SHC game in Pairc Uí Caoimh. A more pedestrian game without passion one could not imagine. I feel I would be correct in saying that there was not a hurley broken during the course of the game and certainly nobody sustained a crack on the finger. The referee had , in my opinion, a very easy afternoon. I was amazed to read on the match report the following day that the referee had issued 9 yellow cards. My opinion on Kilkenny is that this Kilkenny team , like those who went before them, played as hard as they need to or as their opponents allow them to. Inter- County players are supposed to be big boys and stand up for themselves. In the past there was no place for whingers or divers in our games. People were select ed for their ability to play. last the pace of the game and look out for themselves.
Cré Na Cille (899 Posts)	Posted: 01-Jul-2009 20:27	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Cré Na Cille (899 Posts)	Originally posted by curraghalickey: I do not believe what is going on here. The Feile was on that weekend so I attended the Galway V Kilkenny game and being a Corkman I was neutral. The incident involving Walsh striking the Galway player`s FINGER would not warrant a free, in my estimation, but for the fact that the Galway man took a dive and the crowd`s reaction influenced the referee. If we continue with the present system of analytical examination of every refereeing decision and seeking motives for every action by the officials the game of hurling will become a complete non-contact sport. On Sunday last I attended a SHC game in Pairc Uí Caoimh. A more pedestrian game without passion one could not imagine. I feel I would be correct in saying that there was not a hurley broken during the course of the game and certainly nobody sustained a crack on the finger. The referee had , in my opinion, a very easy afternoon. I was amazed to read on the match report the following day that the referee had issued 9 yellow cards. My opinion on Kilkenny is that this Kilkenny team , like those who went before them, played as hard as they need to or as their opponents allow them to. Inter- County players are supposed to be big boys and stand up for themselves. In the past there was no place for whingers or divers in our games. People were select ed for their ability to play. last the pace of the game and look out for themselves. I`d say you enjoy a good faction fight.
bluenose (214 Posts)	Posted: 01-Jul-2009 20:28	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
bluenose (214 Posts)	Well said. Some semblance of balance to celar out some "emotional" comments being made. This message has been edited - 01-jul-2009 @ 20:32
irishmagic (1,944 Posts)	Posted: 01-Jul-2009 21:00	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
irishmagic (1,944 Posts)	Originally posted by curraghalickey: I do not believe what is going on here. The Feile was on that weekend so I attended the Galway V Kilkenny game and being a Corkman I was neutral. The incident involving Walsh striking the Galway player`s FINGER would not warrant a free, in my estimation, but for the fact that the Galway man took a dive and the crowd`s reaction influenced the referee. If we continue with the present system of analytical examination of every refereeing decision and seeking motives for every action by the officials the game of hurling will become a complete non-contact sport. On Sunday last I attended a SHC game in Pairc Uí Caoimh. A more pedestrian game without passion one could not imagine. I feel I would be correct in saying that there was not a hurley broken during the course of the game and certainly nobody sustained a crack on the finger. The referee had , in my opinion, a very easy afternoon. I was amazed to read on the match report the following day that the referee had issued 9 yellow cards. My opinion on Kilkenny is that this Kilkenny team , like those who went before them, played as hard as they need to or as their opponents allow them to. Inter- County players are supposed to be big boys and stand up for themselves. In the past there was no place for whingers or divers in our games. People were select ed for their ability to play. last the pace of the game and look out for themselves. its funny. If you go back over the site in feb,march april it was all pro KK and how good they were. Now its turning against them dramatically in Fiannafailesque preportions. To me KK are the same as they were in 82 ,92 and 2002. Its up to the rest to match them and it has nothing to do with the ref.
The Horse McCool (3,197 Posts)	Posted: 01-Jul-2009 21:08	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
The Horse McCool (3,197 Posts)	It`s quite simple what needs to be done if Kilkenny are to be dethroned. Cork were bidding for 3 in a row in 2006 and were favoured to accomplish this. Brian Cody and KK devised a match plan to counteract the style of play which had been successful for Cork for the past few years, and carried out that plan to perfection. It now requires, if KK are to be beaten, for some other county to come up with a plan AND be able to implement it for 70 minutes plus. What that method might be I am not qualified to say, that`s up to the cunning and guile of Liam Sheedy or Davy Fitzgerald or some other county manager. It`s no use hoping that they`ll have an off day sometime (although that may of course happen ) , because that is not much of a strategy for any manager who wants to win Liam McCarthy!
Hurling Man (84 Posts)	Posted: 01-Jul-2009 22:46	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Hurling Man (84 Posts)	Personally i think Killkenny are borderline between dirty and fair in terms of their physicality. That what makes them so formidable along with their intensity but cody should not defend tommy walsh actions v Galway. Should have seen red but unfortunetly Barry Kelly bottled it
jokero (262 Posts)	Posted: 02-Jul-2009 16:49	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
jokero (262 Posts)	Originally posted by The Horse McCool: It`s quite simple what needs to be done if Kilkenny are to be dethroned. Cork were bidding for 3 in a row in 2006 and were favoured to accomplish this. Brian Cody and KK devised a match plan to counteract the style of play which had been successful for Cork for the past few years, and carried out that plan to perfection. It now requires, if KK are to be beaten, for some other county to come up with a plan AND be able to implement it for 70 minutes plus. What that method might be I am not qualified to say, that`s up to the cunning and guile of Liam Sheedy or Davy Fitzgerald or some other county manager. It`s no use hoping that they`ll have an off day sometime (although that may of course happen ) , because that is not much of a strategy for any manager who wants to win Liam McCarthy! The plan to beat KK would have to involve being able to match their intensity in the first instance and then outhurl them for the entire match. Galway tried to put it up to them physically and failed - there were as many Galway hurls broken as Kilkenny ones in the match - and if you lose out there then you can be sure that they`ll hurl you. Kilkenny aren`t dirty, but they are hard, and some teams seem to think its necessary to try to soften them up a bit. This, as Waterford proved last September, is not a very sound tactic. But it is one aspect of what it takes to beat them. However, if a team does come out and tries to `give it` to KK, or any other team for that matter, do you really expect them to roll over? They`re going to get it back in spades. And still be beaten, because KK are pretty much guaranteed to be the better team on any given day.
Yojimbo (13,947 Posts)	Posted: 02-Jul-2009 17:08	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Yojimbo (13,947 Posts)	to paraphrase Willy Shakespeare: "methinks he doth protest too much!"
The Brewery Horse (1,974 Posts)	Posted: 02-Jul-2009 18:58	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
The Brewery Horse (1,974 Posts)	Originally posted by Yojimbo: to paraphrase Willy Shakespeare: "methinks he doth protest too much!" As opposed to all the protests and whinges emanating from everywhere else about Kilkenny? Its funny how shrill the rest of the country is getting.
Clonliffe Cat (1,441 Posts)	Posted: 02-Jul-2009 19:19	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Clonliffe Cat (1,441 Posts)	Originally posted by Hurling Man: Personally i think Killkenny are borderline between dirty and fair in terms of their physicality. That what makes them so formidable along with their intensity That first sentence is typical of the nonsensical cliché ridden drivel that passes for debate on this forum of late. The fact of the matter is that you either play fair and within the rules or you breach the rules. Borderline, living on the edge or whatever the phrase du jour is is just pure ráiméis. Evidently Kilkenny play within the rules. Lastly what makes this present Kilkenny side so formidable is their skill level, physique, mental strength, and speed. Tipp, Waterford, Cork and Galway are all realistic contenders to beat them but if any of them does it they will do it through a combination of those factors, it sure as hell won`t be achieved by breaking hurls or kicking heels.
The Blues (546 Posts)	Posted: 02-Jul-2009 19:57	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
The Blues (546 Posts)	I for one have absolutely no problem with the physical side of Kilkenny`s game. In fact, it`s one of the main reasons I love watching them hurl. I can`t understand when I hear people giving out about Noel Hickey in particular. Absolute perfect full back in my view. And whats more he has the hurling, speed, negativity and reading of the game that you try but generally fail to coach young full backs. People really need to take the rule book out of their hands when watching games as if every `foul` as defined in the rule book was blown for a free, hurling would be a shocking spectacle. And thats at club or county level. Anybody who has hurled surely recognises that. Tommy Walsh has certainly gone over the line lately. He now has attention on him so his game is going to more difficult in the future. Overall, Kilkenny play the game the way its meant to be played. When they cross that line, and not every god damn subsection in the rule book, then they generally are punished by refs. I hope Sunday doesn`t change my mind on them!!!
Glinnti Glasa (2,183 Posts)	Posted: 02-Jul-2009 20:01	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Glinnti Glasa (2,183 Posts)	Originally posted by The Horse McCool: It`s quite simple what needs to be done if Kilkenny are to be dethroned. Cork were bidding for 3 in a row in 2006 and were favoured to accomplish this. Brian Cody and KK devised a match plan to counteract the style of play which had been successful for Cork for the past few years, and carried out that plan to perfection. It now requires, if KK are to be beaten, for some other county to come up with a plan AND be able to implement it for 70 minutes plus. What that method might be I am not qualified to say, that`s up to the cunning and guile of Liam Sheedy or Davy Fitzgerald or some other county manager. It`s no use hoping that they`ll have an off day sometime (although that may of course happen ) , because that is not much of a strategy for any manager who wants to win Liam McCarthy! Good man, horse. Well put.
Yojimbo (13,947 Posts)	Posted: 02-Jul-2009 21:44	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Yojimbo (13,947 Posts)	Originally posted by The Brewery Horse: As opposed to all the protests and whinges emanating from everywhere else about Kilkenny? Its funny how shrill the rest of the country is getting. To be fair most hurling fans love the blend of skill and physicality Kilkenny bring to the game. Thats whats made them such a great team. But its also fair to say that they just seem to have been getting away with too many blatant `assaults` this year
intothewesht (1,338 Posts)	Posted: 02-Jul-2009 21:56	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
intothewesht (1,338 Posts)	Originally posted by stringies: Cody: We’re not remotely dirty He must be referrin to hygiene
mercury (669 Posts)	Posted: 02-Jul-2009 22:58	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
mercury (669 Posts)	Originally posted by intothewesht: He must be referrin to hygiene Ahhh yes... as a KK man i have to give credit where credit is due to the Cork men... they don`t want to whinge about KK they just want to beat them... and that`s the way it should be !
northantrimhound (14 Posts)	Posted: 02-Jul-2009 23:10	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
northantrimhound (14 Posts)	Originally posted by stringies: Cody: We’re not remotely dirty I think what brian is tryin to say is they all have a shower together every 6 months whether they need it of not

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