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Limerick Hurling 2010 - Looking Forward
wakeuplads
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20-Jan-2010 16:58
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Okay lads, the Justin thread is dead and buried, and so is the vote of no confidence in Justin (at least for now ) . So, its time to look forward.
How will the current Limerick panel do when everyone is available (i.e. anyone from South Liberties who might make the panel. the lads currently playing for a college ) ? Will they do any better than last year`s Cork league panel?
For me the most important question is, can this panel of players avoid the drop to the Christy Ring Cup (relegation from Liam McCarthy is still in,isn`t it ) ?
Will we be able to beat teams like Laois and Antrim if we do end up in a relegation battle?
Paddy
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20-Jan-2010 17:02
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We might as well left the thread open, these are a lot of the questions that were been asked anyway.
See my reply on "Limerick Hurling RIP"
wakeuplads
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20-Jan-2010 17:06
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Paddy, the last thread was full of comments on whether Justin should go or not, as well as insults and criticism thrown at both the players and Justin.
This thread is just about the current panel, and should have nothing to do with the rights and wrongs of either Justin or the 2009 panel.
Originally posted by Paddy:
We might as well left the thread open, these are a lot of the questions that were been asked anyway.
See my reply on "Limerick Hurling RIP"
Rathmore Castle
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20-Jan-2010 17:24
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Originally posted by wakeuplads:
Limerick Hurling 2010 - Looking Forward
We wont do too bad. Think we could even win 1 or 2 league games. People might think I`m mad both sure we still have some good forwards. Brian O Sullivan,Anthony Owens,David Breen,Paudie Mac, Tom O Brien and Paul Browne are all capable of scoring. Timmy Houlihan is no better or worse than Murray IMHO. Des Kenny looked comfortable at Fullback last sat and he was up against Banville (who was voted opel player of the month last may ) not a bad start for his intercounty career and confidence. We have some other good defenders too like Brennan, Shane O Neill and David Moloney. Don`t think its all doom and gloom as some people think it is.
TheMullet
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20-Jan-2010 17:31
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I think we`ll get relegated from the league, but i dont think we`ll go down to christy ring.. if they can get the spine of the team with relatively strong players i think we`ll be ok!
Anyone think D. hannon will play some part in the league?
wakeuplads
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20-Jan-2010 17:34
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Some good points there Rathmore. David Breen, Paudie Mac and Paul Browne have all shown that they can play at a high level. Injury hampered Brian O`Sullivan last year, but he also looks like a good prospect. I think he was supposed to have played very well for UCC last week.
It would be interesting to see how some of the others would do. Graeme Mulcahy is also on the panel, is he? He might be able to add something. Maybe Nicky Quaid will also be able to make the step up.
I agree with you about Timmy Houlihan and Brian Murray. It`ll be interesting to see how Des Kenny does, but i suppose only time will tell.
For me, if we could avoid relegation to the Christy Ring, and if we could unearth some good players for the future, 2010 might not be a bad year for Limerick hurling.
If we do get relegated to Christy Ring though, it will be a huge setback for the future.
Originally posted by Rathmore Castle:
We wont do too bad. Think we could even win 1 or 2 league games. People might think I`m mad both sure we still have some good forwards. Brian O Sullivan,Anthony Owens,David Breen,Paudie Mac, Tom O Brien and Paul Browne are all capable of scoring. Timmy Houlihan is no better or worse than Murray IMHO. Des Kenny looked comfortable at Fullback last sat and he was up against Banville (who was voted opel player of the month last may ) not a bad start for his intercounty career and confidence. We have some other good defenders too like Brennan, Shane O Neill and David Moloney. Don`t think its all doom and gloom as some people think it is.
wakeuplads
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20-Jan-2010 17:48
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I don`t think Declan Hannon will get a call-up this year, and I hope he doesn`t.
He should be left to concentrate on the Harty cup, minor and U/21. It would be unfair to bring him in senior this year.
Originally posted by TheMullet:
I think we`ll get relegated from the league, but i dont think we`ll go down to christy ring.. if they can get the spine of the team with relatively strong players i think we`ll be ok!
Anyone think D. hannon will play some part in the league?
Rathmore Castle
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20-Jan-2010 17:53
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Originally posted by wakeuplads:
Some good points there Rathmore. David Breen, Paudie Mac and Paul Browne have all shown that they can play at a high level. Injury hampered Brian O`Sullivan last year, but he also looks like a good prospect. I think he was supposed to have played very well for UCC last week.
It would be interesting to see how some of the others would do. Graeme Mulcahy is also on the panel, is he? He might be able to add something. Maybe Nicky Quaid will also be able to make the step up.
I agree with you about Timmy Houlihan and Brian Murray. It`ll be interesting to see how Des Kenny does, but i suppose only time will tell.
For me, if we could avoid relegation to the Christy Ring, and if we could unearth some good players for the future, 2010 might not be a bad year for Limerick hurling.
If we do get relegated to Christy Ring though, it will be a huge setback for the future.
Ya Mulcahy is still there too and he is a prospect too. I think Nicky Quaid is good enough but as I said before in another thread Nicky is burning himself out every year with all the teams his playing with. His playing with 5 or 6 different teams. Its easy for people to say last summer in Ennis in the 21s when he was subbed at half time that his not good enough but did Limerick fans ever think that maybe the lad is doing too much going and burning himself out. None of our 21s should be playing interm with Limerick. They have enough Hurling with there clubs,colleges and U21s to work with. There is plenty adult club hurlers available around the county for that Interm team every year.
Rathmore Castle
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20-Jan-2010 18:15
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Originally posted by wakeuplads:
Limerick Hurling 2010 - Looking Forward
There is a couple of other players on my mind that I think should get game time during the League
Mickey Cahill- Experienced Corner back. Has being Croom`s best player for the last 3 seasons and probaly the best corner back in the senior club championship for a while.
John Kelly- Can play anywhere. Was very good at centre back for Kilmallock U21s. Was also captain. Big Loss to the Limerick U21s last season.
Eoin Ryan- Top scorer at minor grade in 05 beating Canning. Should be giving a chance.
Mark Keane- Big performance sunday will surely get him back in contention.
Mike Fitz-Find of the season in 07. We could do with him back. Is worth 3 or 4 points in any game
wakeuplads
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20-Jan-2010 18:38
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Rathmore Castle, you seem to feel that this Limerick team may surprise a few people and do better than expected in the league.
Do you think that we are better than the Cork team from last year`s league? If memory serves me correctly, I don`t think they won any match last year, and were hammered in most games (although I think they put it up to Galway ) ?
Why do you think we would fare better than Cork? Is it the lack of a picket line in Limerick which maybe has made it easier for players like Timmy Houlihan to come back into the fold?
Originally posted by Rathmore Castle:
We wont do too bad. Think we could even win 1 or 2 league games.
Don`t think its all doom and gloom as some people think it is.
dodgy-keeper
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20-Jan-2010 18:41
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I fail to see any shreds of optomism for the year ahead. No county - not even Kilkenny - could sustain the loss of 24 of the years panel the following year.
The spine of the side is destroyed, as is what`s left of the skeleton.
FFS we were in an All Ireland final in 2007, a semi final in 2009. Suddenly one or two wins in the league would constitute success? Or avoiding the drop to the Christy Ring?
It`s a pure shambles, led by our inept county board and its yes men who have put no structures in place for the development of Limerick GAA over the last decade and beyond.
This is not a pop at the players on the current panel, I`ll hopefully be in Kilmallock on Sunday to support them.
wakeuplads
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20-Jan-2010 18:54
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What more can we do dodgy-keeper? This situation will not be revisited unless results are disastrous in the league.
All we can do in the meantime is support the current panel.
I agree - no team can sustain the loss of 24 panel members. And its for exactly that reason that winning one or two league games, avoiding relegation to the Christy Ring Cup, and unearthing some talented players for the future would be seen as success.
2010 can be seen as no more now - at least for the moment. If we can avoid relegation to the Christy Ring and unearth some talented players, the situation might not be so bad for a new man to come in for 2011.
Maybe someone like Stephen McDonagh, who was mentioned in another thread, could come in and bring together the best of 2009 and 2010.
Originally posted by dodgy-keeper:
I fail to see any shreds of optomism for the year ahead. No county - not even Kilkenny - could sustain the loss of 24 of the years panel the following year.
The spine of the side is destroyed, as is what`s left of the skeleton.
FFS we were in an All Ireland final in 2007, a semi final in 2009. Suddenly one or two wins in the league would constitute success? Or avoiding the drop to the Christy Ring?
It`s a pure shambles, led by our inept county board and its yes men who have put no structures in place for the development of Limerick GAA over the last decade and beyond.
This is not a pop at the players on the current panel, I`ll hopefully be in Kilmallock on Sunday to support them.
Rathmore Castle
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20-Jan-2010 19:06
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Originally posted by wakeuplads:
Rathmore Castle, you seem to feel that this Limerick team may surprise a few people and do better than expected in the league.
Do you think that we are better than the Cork team from last year`s league? If memory serves me correctly, I don`t think they won any match last year, and were hammered in most games (although I think they put it up to Galway ) ?
Why do you think we would fare better than Cork? Is it the lack of a picket line in Limerick which maybe has made it easier for players like Timmy Houlihan to come back into the fold?
I was actually at 1 of the cork games. The game between Tipp and Cork under lights on valentines night. They totally faded away in the 2nd half. The way I look at this is Cork always had the best players in Cork playing for Cork. Ex The Donal Ogs,O`Conners,Kennys,Gardiners,O`Halpins,McCarthys.
Did you think that the best players in Limerick were all in that 09 panel??? I mean players like Donie Ryan, Bangers,Condon,Cosgrove,Richie McCarthy,Eoin Foley. Are these our best players in Limerick?? Like are you weakening the Limerick team by taking out Murray and putting in Timmy Houlihan or taking out Mark Riordan and putting in Shane O Neill?? I don`t think we are.
seanie
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20-Jan-2010 19:31
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lads last year the cork team under gerald mac gotto within 2 points of a farily strong waterford team in a challenge and when it came to the league were well beaten and out of their depth , despite great effort by all concerned.
also it should be mentioned that in some games such as tipp under lights they actually plaed 7 defenders with ray ryan used as a sweeper in front of the full back line in order to keep the scores fairly repsectable .
with the best effrot and will in the world you are asking too much of a brand new panel at least some of whom are not good enough at this level to make anymark in the league.
if limerick win a match with effectively a new panel it will be a great result and credit tojustin, but from the cork experience it will be very unlikely.
and if they start getting beatins that will set the development of some of the potentially good enough intercounty players well back
cantyoupullonit
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20-Jan-2010 19:56
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I think it would be insanely optimistic to expect anything other than relegation from the league. Every team in Div 1 should be able to hammer us as things stand. However, I would be confident we can remain in the Liam McCartey Cup. Even our reserves should have enough for Carlow
Luimneach Buachaill
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20-Jan-2010 21:03
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Originally posted by Rathmore Castle:
There is a couple of other players on my mind that I think should get game time during the League
Mickey Cahill- Experienced Corner back. Has being Croom`s best player for the last 3 seasons and probaly the best corner back in the senior club championship for a while.
John Kelly- Can play anywhere. Was very good at centre back for Kilmallock U21s. Was also captain. Big Loss to the Limerick U21s last season.
Eoin Ryan- Top scorer at minor grade in 05 beating Canning. Should be giving a chance.
Mark Keane- Big performance sunday will surely get him back in contention.
Mike Fitz-Find of the season in 07. We could do with him back. Is worth 3 or 4 points in any game
Yeah good players that you have picked there.I`d love to see Mike Fitz this year.Was very good in 2007
glasandbán
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20-Jan-2010 21:31
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Originally posted by Rathmore Castle:
I was actually at 1 of the cork games. The game between Tipp and Cork under lights on valentines night. They totally faded away in the 2nd half. The way I look at this is Cork always had the best players in Cork playing for Cork. Ex The Donal Ogs,O`Conners,Kennys,Gardiners,O`Halpins,McCarthys.
Did you think that the best players in Limerick were all in that 09 panel??? I mean players like Donie Ryan, Bangers,Condon,Cosgrove,Richie McCarthy,Eoin Foley. Are these our best players in Limerick?? Like are you weakening the Limerick team by taking out Murray and putting in Timmy Houlihan or taking out Mark Riordan and putting in Shane O Neill?? I don`t think we are.
Rathmore, are you trying to be misleading or do you actaully believe what you`re writing there?
feckarseindustries
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Don`t think its all doom and gloom as some people think it is.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]
I was actually at 1 of the cork games. The game between Tipp and Cork under lights on valentines night. They totally faded away in the 2nd half. The way I look at this is Cork always had the best players in Cork playing for Cork. Ex The Donal Ogs,O`Conners,Kennys,Gardiners,O`Halpins,McCarthys.
Did you think that the best players in Limerick were all in that 09 panel??? I mean players like Donie Ryan, Bangers,Condon,Cosgrove,Richie McCarthy,Eoin Foley. Are these our best players in Limerick?? Like are you weakening the Limerick team by taking out Murray and putting in Timmy Houlihan or taking out Mark Riordan and putting in Shane O Neill?? I don`t think we are.[/QUOTE]
I would agree with you Rathmore on those members of the 09 panal youve said above, they can definately be replaced, and is what was needed, but i wouldnt be as optimistic as you as experience and the rest of our best palyers around thiese guys is vital. If only this was done right....
Do you know Seanie Tobins position, is he a def non runner or are people just assuming he wont play cause of Pat? Was he even approached?
mexter dorgan
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obviously south liberties` and blackrock`s involvement in club at the moment will stop their players from playing the next few games. im just wondering is gareth heagney still available to play for limerick although hurling with portumna. his held his own up in galway and in the AI club series the past few years. also phil o` loughlin`s name wasn`t signed to the statement. is he still on the panel at this time?
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How Can we look forward.We are missing at least 12 of our best players. Our CB are corrupt. When results go against us and the management get chucked the players will be short of high level training.
Cant geniune limerick people see the virus that exists at CB level. WHY DID EIBHEAR O DEA QUIT ???? Politics!
Relegation is looming in the league
Justin isnt a limerick man if he had any respect for limerick people he would explain his actions for drop ping N Moran M O riordan A O Shaughnessy S Lucey.
Im sick. My Mackey draw money is going to Haiti
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Nice to see posters looking forward with optimism,the very best of luck to those fine men turning out on Sunday against UCC.Will there be many Limerick lads on the UCC team/panel?.If I were at home I would travel down to see them,hope they get good support,they deserve it.
Rathmore Castle
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Originally posted by bulletproof:
How Can we look forward.We are missing at least 12 of our best players. Our CB are corrupt. When results go against us and the management get chucked the players will be short of high level training.
Cant geniune limerick people see the virus that exists at CB level. WHY DID EIBHEAR O DEA QUIT ???? Politics!
Relegation is looming in the league
Justin isnt a limerick man if he had any respect for limerick people he would explain his actions for drop ping N Moran M O riordan A O Shaughnessy S Lucey.
Im sick. My Mackey draw money is going to Haiti
Someone obviously didn`t see that performance against Tipp last year. You surely know why Lucey and Riordan are drop ped FFS. The Tipp Full forward line ran circles around them.
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Rathmore you obviously have a grudge ....all your talk about" players effort ""support the team 2010 " them lads rarely leave us down . stick to the horses and your own underachieving club!
Luimneach Buachaill
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We should have left the "End of the road for Justin" thread open after all
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