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Giveitfong (327 Posts)	Posted: 07-Feb-2010 23:22	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Giveitfong (327 Posts)	Waterford 1-9 UCC 0-11 Waterford scraped their first Waterford Crystal Cup title since 1998 in Fraher Field, Dungarvan, today but in truth did very little to deserve it. This was a dire game of hurling which was only kept interesting by its tight finish. UCC should have won the game comfortably such was their degree of first-half dominance, but were undone by the profligacy of their forward division which hit twelve wides in the opening half. The game was played on a very cold overcast today, but on a reasonably dry pitch. UCC had first use of a stiff breeze blowing straight towards the country goal, but this only goes some way explaining their stranglehold on the game in the first period, as almost the entire Waterford team seemed stuck to the ground. Either did they had indulged in one of those two-hour pre-match stamina sessions that some county managers seem to have a proclivity for these days, or they simply took the opposition for granted. Whether or which, Cork were first to the ball all over the pitch and rained shots down on the Waterford goal, most to no effect. It took Waterford 20 minutes to score, by which stage UCC should have been much further ahead than just four points. When Waterford quickly followed with two more points, it looked like the game might take its predicted course, but two late points saw UCC going in at half-time ahead by 0-7 to 0-4. Waterford raised their effort level in the second half, although their first touch remained terrible right to the end. Two Maurice Shanahan frees reduced the gap to the minimum, and when Martin O’Neill (captain of the 2009 county minor team ) fired to the net following good work by Gary Hurney and Tomás Ryan, only one result looked possible. However things changed when Eoin Kelly received a straight red for an incident on the sideline after ten minutes (no marks to referee Denis Richardson of Limerick for allowing an already fraught situation deteriorate even further ) . While Waterford raised their game further they sent a lot of directionless ball into their forwards, while UCC used the extra man well to work the ball out of defence. However, they were able to make little headway against a Waterford defence in which Brick Walsh was imperious at centre back with full back Liam Lawlor doing a lot of clearing up behind him. Super points by Kevin Moran and Maurice Shanahan (the latter from a long-distance free ) allowed Waterford to keep their noses in front, but UCC finally managed to bring the scores back to parity only for Moran to fire over the winning score, the opening coming from Shane Walsh’s dogged persistance. Apart from Brick Walsh and Liam Lawlor (in the second half ) , Jerome Maher added further to his growing reputation at corner back while Jamie Nagle hit some good ball at left half back. The introduction of Aidan Kearney for Declan Prendergast at wing back with 15 minutes to go played a crucial role in cementing the Waterford victory as the Tallow man put in a storming display. There will be some concern for his fellow club man, left corner back Mark O’Brien, who was stretchered off midway through the second half with what appeared to be a nasty leg injury. Eoin Kelly and James Murray never got to grips with the midfield situation, while up front Kevin Moran was the main man, his three excellent points being the only points Waterford managed from play. However, Maurice Shanahan and Shane Walsh did have some good moments. While this report is written from a Waterford perspective, some readers may be interested in the fact that Darach Honan started this game but may as well not have. He did get free of his marker once early in the second half, but his shot from 20 metres was so feeble that it didn’t even reach the Waterford goalie. Richie Foley put in a useful hour at full back for UCC and did a good job in containing his direct opponent and Abbeyside clubmate Gary Hurney. Waterford: Clinton Hennessy. Jerome Maher. Liam Lawlor. Mark O’Brien. Declan Prendergast. Michael Walsh. Jamie Nagle. Eoin Kelly. James Murray. Shane Walsh. Kevin Moran (0-3 ) . Maurice Shanahan (0-6, all frees ) . Martin O’Neill (1-0 ) . Gary Hurney. Tomás Ryan. Subs: Aidan Kearney for Prendergast. Brian Phelan for Tomás Ryan. Eoin Whelan for James Murray. Michael Doherty for O’Brien. UCC (liable to errors ) : Anthony Nash. Dan Kearney. Richie Foley. William Kearney. Seamus Corry. Kevin Hartnett. Joe Jordan. Éanna Martin (0-1 ) . Brian I’Sullivan. S Burke (0-1 ) . D Browne. Eoghan Murphy (0-5, all frees ) . Darach Honan. Robert White (0-1 ) . Stephen Moylan . Subs: Luke O’Farrell (0-1 ) . Tadhg Óg Murphy (0-1, free ) . Séamus O’Farrell. Michael Grace.
Clonliffe Cat (1,441 Posts)	Posted: 07-Feb-2010 23:34	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Clonliffe Cat (1,441 Posts)	Excellent report Giveitfong. One of the good things about the UTD website was your match coverage, so I`m glad it has kept going post the closure of that site.
Godfather (72 Posts)	Posted: 08-Feb-2010 11:00	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Godfather (72 Posts)	While this report is written from a Waterford perspective, some readers may be interested in the fact that Darach Honan started this game but may as well not have. He did get free of his marker once early in the second half, but his shot from 20 metres was so feeble that it didn’t even reach the Waterford goalie. He did it when it counted . ) You destroyed a good report by having a go which wasn`t needed.
BeTimberin (2,458 Posts)	Posted: 08-Feb-2010 11:14	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
BeTimberin (2,458 Posts)	Originally posted by Godfather : While this report is written from a Waterford perspective, some readers may be interested in the fact that Darach Honan started this game but may as well not have. He did get free of his marker once early in the second half, but his shot from 20 metres was so feeble that it didn’t even reach the Waterford goalie. He did it when it counted . ) You destroyed a good report by having a go which wasn`t needed. And thats exactly how id perceive it. Just keep running him down. Numerous people have done it and eaten their words!
twiceasnice97 (9,233 Posts)	Posted: 08-Feb-2010 11:31	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
twiceasnice97 (9,233 Posts)	he doesn`t appear to be very highly rated down there. maybe he doesnt give a sh1t about the skull and crossbones i was told there was a bit of ill advised talk about his enthusiasm among officials in ucc last year. checked a little and that appears to be true. not the best way to mortivate a player you would think
Jimmy Power (520 Posts)	Posted: 08-Feb-2010 16:13	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Jimmy Power (520 Posts)	I don’t think its running him down it’s just stating facts. He is a much vaunted up and coming player so it was a disappointment to see him play so poorly. However he was not helped by the scandalous waste of ball from the UCC midfield and half backs. Then again it was a wretched game of hurling yesterday and few came out of it with any credit.
Deise go deo (2,494 Posts)	Posted: 08-Feb-2010 16:47	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Deise go deo (2,494 Posts)	Originally posted by Godfather : While this report is written from a Waterford perspective, some readers may be interested in the fact that Darach Honan started this game but may as well not have. He did get free of his marker once early in the second half, but his shot from 20 metres was so feeble that it didn’t even reach the Waterford goalie. He did it when it counted . ) You destroyed a good report by having a go which wasn`t needed. What a stupid comment to make. I attended the match and apart from seeing how Waterford would fare, the two things about UCC that I was curious about was how Richie Foley would do at full back and how Honan would do in attack. Honan was very poor. He had one great chance of a goal and missed, that was all he did. Do you expect the report to say he played well when he clearly didnt? Saying he was poor is hardly having a go at the lad
pegasusIII (4,075 Posts)	Posted: 08-Feb-2010 16:55	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
pegasusIII (4,075 Posts)	Originally posted by Giveitfong: Waterford Crystal Trophy Final Waterford v UCC in fairness if honan didnt play well, he didnt play well. and he hasnt played well since the all ire u-21 semi. suppose the longer it goes on the more it becomes a slight worry to us, as we badly need him to make an impact as early as this summer.
deisedude (259 Posts)	Posted: 08-Feb-2010 17:00	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
deisedude (259 Posts)	Originally posted by Godfather : While this report is written from a Waterford perspective, some readers may be interested in the fact that Darach Honan started this game but may as well not have. He did get free of his marker once early in the second half, but his shot from 20 metres was so feeble that it didn’t even reach the Waterford goalie. He did it when it counted . ) You destroyed a good report by having a go which wasn`t needed. It was a statement of fact not having a go. I only heard the game on the radio but i barely heard his name mentioned over the 60 minutes
keep da faith (96 Posts)	Posted: 08-Feb-2010 18:44	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
keep da faith (96 Posts)	good man give it long hadn`t heard how the game fared out. good report!!!
Deise go deo (2,494 Posts)	Posted: 08-Feb-2010 21:57	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Deise go deo (2,494 Posts)	Very good match report, fair play to you. It was a very poor match but it threw up a few interesting issues for Waterford. Clinton had a couple nervy moments in goal, I think he`s going to come under serious pressure from Power this year and i think Power will start v Clare. Jerome Maher had his second successive very good match and looks like he could nail down a corner back berth for the league at least. Liam Lawlor had another decent day at full back and he will surely get some league action in this most problematic of positions for Waterford. Brick was outstanding again, hopefully its a sign of things to come this season. Midfield was poor, James Murray had another poor enough afternoon and I think he`ll struggle to see much game time this year. Kelly was frustrated and eventually lost the head and was red carded - looks like he`ll miss some of the league now. Up front Kevin Moran had a super match and seems very natural in the forwards now. Maurice and Shane Walsh had their moments up front and Martin O`Neill took his goal well but overall the forwards were poor enough. Credit to Richie Foley who had a good game for UCC at full back. I`d expect most of the team who played the Waterford Crystal cup to start v Dublin in the first league match. Aidan Kearney played very well when introduced and should start in 2 weeks.
Giveitfong (327 Posts)	Posted: 09-Feb-2010 02:15	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Giveitfong (327 Posts)	I included the observation on Darach Honan`s performance in my match report because there has been a lot of interest in Honan`s progress (or lack of it ) at UCC in Clare-related threads on this site and I thought the posters concerned would be interested in how he got on against Waterford. I am a great admirer of Honan`s contribution to Clare`s All-Ireland Under-21 win last year (which I was thrilled about ) . I would love to see him realising his immense potential.
scelp (1,695 Posts)	Posted: 09-Feb-2010 08:58	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
scelp (1,695 Posts)	Reasonable response, Fong. Honan not yet a messiah as some would build him up to be. But he has potential and Clare lads [I am one] should be a bit more patient and a little less sensitive about Honan. Give him time and watch his progress.
Godfather (72 Posts)	Posted: 09-Feb-2010 09:07	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Godfather (72 Posts)	What a stupid comment to make. How is it DGD? He spent the whole article talking about waterford hurling and in the end had a go at one player on the other team. Why? The only reason for that comment was to run down the player. If he didn`t have a good game, say that! you dont have to go into specifics. By all accounts there wern`t many good performances by both sides but he wasn`t going into specifics with anyone else.
Godfather (72 Posts)	Posted: 09-Feb-2010 09:23	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Godfather (72 Posts)	Originally posted by Giveitfong: I included the observation on Darach Honan`s performance in my match report because there has been a lot of interest in Honan`s progress (or lack of it ) at UCC in Clare-related threads on this site and I thought the posters concerned would be interested in how he got on against Waterford. I am a great admirer of Honan`s contribution to Clare`s All-Ireland Under-21 win last year (which I was thrilled about ) . I would love to see him realising his immense potential. Grand but it did read as if singled out for a kick. I was at the LIT v UCC and I saw for myself that it isn`t going well for him at the moment and I was also at the Clare v Waterford game last week and there are plenty more in front of him deserving of that kick in the ass! This message has been edited - 09-feb-2010 @ 09:24
Deise go deo (2,494 Posts)	Posted: 09-Feb-2010 09:59	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Deise go deo (2,494 Posts)	Originally posted by Godfather : What a stupid comment to make. How is it DGD? He spent the whole article talking about waterford hurling and in the end had a go at one player on the other team. Why? The only reason for that comment was to run down the player. If he didn`t have a good game, say that! you dont have to go into specifics. By all accounts there wern`t many good performances by both sides but he wasn`t going into specifics with anyone else. Honan is the most high profile UCC player at the moment - mostly because people like yourself are expecting huge things of the lad. His performance is of interest to a lot of people so it was only natural that the report would include a line about his performance. Because he played poorly and it was reported as so, I thought your comment that it ruined the report was a bit stupid. Its kind of `how dare anyone say our player had a bad game`.
conmanxx (469 Posts)	Posted: 09-Feb-2010 10:23	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
conmanxx (469 Posts)	Originally posted by Deise go deo: Honan is the most high profile UCC player at the moment - mostly because people like yourself are expecting huge things of the lad. His performance is of interest to a lot of people so it was only natural that the report would include a line about his performance. Because he played poorly and it was reported as so, I thought your comment that it ruined the report was a bit stupid. Its kind of `how dare anyone say our player had a bad game`. I`m a clare man on the only interest i`d have in the match is to see how the clare lads did, damien browne and honan i think. I`m not suprised with this latest performance, he hasn`t played good in a long while, seems to lack motivation and drive in a lot of matches.. when hes bad he`s very bad, just hoping tis a strong dislike for wet conditions and he`ll come right in the summer.
gain feeds (1,025 Posts)	Posted: 09-Feb-2010 10:26	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
gain feeds (1,025 Posts)	I was talking to one of his UCC coaches after the Munster U21 final last year. His take on him was that he lacked a bit of self confidence in everyday life and rather than feeling enhanced around campus by his height actually tried to cover it up and felt embarrassed by it. He felt this was reflected in his hurling in that he didnt use his height to best effect on the field. He also felt that people close to him were also having a negative affect on his development. Clare people will know who I`m referring to here. What ever the reasons, he seems a different player with the Clare jersey on his back so all in all maybe the surroundings of UCC are not the best place for his hurling.
Godfather (72 Posts)	Posted: 09-Feb-2010 13:22	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Godfather (72 Posts)	Originally posted by Deise go deo: Honan is the most high profile UCC player at the moment - mostly because people like yourself are expecting huge things of the lad. His performance is of interest to a lot of people so it was only natural that the report would include a line about his performance. Because he played poorly and it was reported as so, I thought your comment that it ruined the report was a bit stupid. Its kind of `how dare anyone say our player had a bad game`. The above comments/report weren’t as simple as the player was having a bad game. I would have no problem with that. It was the specific/detailed way in which it was put across, which I felt was unnecessary! I don’t think we needed proof of how s**e a player was or wasn’t, unless you are going to grant the same detail to the full 30/40 players that took to the field. Ps: you have no evidence just an assumption that I have Hugh expectations for the lad. I would only hope that he can fulfill his potential. You can also stick your thoughts on my intellectual acuity where the sun don’t shine . )
Diamond Joe Quimby (423 Posts)	Posted: 09-Feb-2010 15:40	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Diamond Joe Quimby (423 Posts)	it might not have been worded the best and is stuck in at the end of his report, but you`d have to admit out of all the players on the UCC team he would be the one that a majority of people interested in hurling would like to know about. Waterford were not very good and UCC were lively around midfield and centreforward with some great movement. So you could have possible expected a bit of a performance, but he looked mediocre at best. The game itself is a none event, we all know we`ll be reserving our judgment for championship.
conmanxx (469 Posts)	Posted: 10-Feb-2010 09:32	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
conmanxx (469 Posts)	Originally posted by gain feeds: I was talking to one of his UCC coaches after the Munster U21 final last year. His take on him was that he lacked a bit of self confidence in everyday life and rather than feeling enhanced around campus by his height actually tried to cover it up and felt embarrassed by it. He felt this was reflected in his hurling in that he didnt use his height to best effect on the field. He also felt that people close to him were also having a negative affect on his development. Clare people will know who I`m referring to here. What ever the reasons, he seems a different player with the Clare jersey on his back so all in all maybe the surroundings of UCC are not the best place for his hurling. That UCC couch seems fairly tunned in! being such a tall lad probably gets him a lot more attention and notice in every day life,then he wants` you could see how`d it might effect his confidence, hopefully other coaches/people realise this and help. Some players need an arm around the shoulder at times as apposed to getting f**ked out of it for playiing bad.
twiceasnice97 (9,233 Posts)	Posted: 10-Feb-2010 10:06	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
twiceasnice97 (9,233 Posts)	Originally posted by conmanxx: That UCC couch seems fairly tunned in! . sounds very much like that is what they are using rather than a coach that might improve their hurling. he could be tuned in or else he might just have a pet theory that he thinks is mighty clever
conmanxx (469 Posts)	Posted: 10-Feb-2010 13:19	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
conmanxx (469 Posts)	Originally posted by twiceasnice97: sounds very much like that is what they are using rather than a coach that might improve their hurling. he could be tuned in or else he might just have a pet theory that he thinks is mighty clever theory or not it at least gives suggests another possible reason as to why he plays so poorly on occassion, some players are more fragile mentally than others, as he obviously has the physical atrributes maybe the mental part of the game is letting him down? some players go into a shell when bullied, maybe that`s the case here? maybe he feels the weight of expectation from clare supporters?.. just a theory! anyway as long as he picks it up again in the summer i`ll be happy! This message has been edited - 10-feb-2010 @ 13:20

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