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Topic: did colleran really need to kick cullen while he was down?
carryharry
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Posted: 09-Mar-2010 10:15
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watching the news last nite @ 9.00 i could`nt help but smile at martin cullen finally leaving cabinet,although by his own devices! but while watching the frontline an hour and a half later i could`nt understand why gerard colleran from the star felt the need to really kick cullen while he was down!
im not defending martin cullen`s performance in goverment or the lack of it more so, but he deserved to be left alone last nite. his decision will be a blow to waterford people who in fairness claim he served his own well!!!!!! colleran`s rant could well have being left for his editorial in his paper and not being tossed out in a fairly bitter little man`s rant last nite on live tv. any views?
Ozzy
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Posted: 09-Mar-2010 10:30
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Thought Colleran was quite good, even though his paper is a rag. In fairness politicians are always assessed as they depart and if Cullen couldn`t take criticism he should never have become a TD. He was a very poor minister.
LowerThe Blades Lads
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Posted: 09-Mar-2010 10:33
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Colleran kicks everybody when they are down. He just can`t resist the impulse.

Some day he too will be down and he will be kicked then by his media friends. In his case they will be wearing steel toecaps.
carryharry
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Posted: 09-Mar-2010 10:34
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Originally posted by Ozzy:
Thought Colleran was quite good, even though his paper is a rag. In fairness politicians are always assessed as they depart and if Cullen couldn`t take criticism he should never have become a TD. He was a very poor minister.

i agree that colleran made some good points,i agree his paper is a rag. but he did`nt need to go after cullen like he did, i just felt he could have restrained himself as it looked a cheap shot is all.
The Battle of Ballagh
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Posted: 09-Mar-2010 10:44
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Ger Colleran is fast becoming my hero.

Bravo Bravo
Zirndorf
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Posted: 09-Mar-2010 10:57
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A dirty scummer.
merlante
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Posted: 09-Mar-2010 11:00
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I`d say he kept Waterford on the agenda, and ensured that funding was obtained for key infrastructure, etc., where before government support was haphazard or non-existent. Aside from the M9, bypass, and outer ring road, which is the equivalent of what delivered to the other major cities, I wouldn`t have said huge money was spent on Waterford. There were none of the ministerial gifts like National Aquatic centres, or race course or stadiums, etc., that seem to pop up elsewhere when the local lads gets into the cabinet.

It will be interesting to see whether the city will go back to the dark days of having vital infrastructure delayed indefinitely. Hopefully not.
Abruzzi Spur
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Posted: 09-Mar-2010 11:10
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Originally posted by carryharry:
watching the news last nite @ 9.00 i could`nt help but smile at martin cullen finally leaving cabinet,although by his own devices! but while watching the frontline an hour and a half later i could`nt understand why gerard colleran from the star felt the need to really kick cullen while he was down!
im not defending martin cullen`s performance in goverment or the lack of it more so, but he deserved to be left alone last nite. his decision will be a blow to waterford people who in fairness claim he served his own well!!!!!! colleran`s rant could well have being left for his editorial in his paper and not being tossed out in a fairly bitter little man`s rant last nite on live tv. any views?

Typical little Oirland bullsh1t. Cullen won`t be on a trolley in A&E for his bad back unlike 100`s of cancer sufferers. he won`t go huingry either like the children of the recently unemployed.

A man points this out and because he is the editor of the Star its wrong !!!

Cullen is in the public eye getting ridiculous money, he should have been fired and made wear sack cloth ages ago. Feeling sorry for poor people like John O`D, Wille O`D and sleveens like Cullen who cost us millions is whats wrong with us. We should show them the same amount of mercy as they show us, none whatsoever.
Chuck Norris
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Posted: 09-Mar-2010 12:25
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Originally posted by Abruzzi Spur:


Typical little Oirland bullsh1t. Cullen won`t be on a trolley in A&E for his bad back unlike 100`s of cancer sufferers. he won`t go huingry either like the children of the recently unemployed.

A man points this out and because he is the editor of the Star its wrong !!!

Cullen is in the public eye getting ridiculous money, he should have been fired and made wear sack cloth ages ago. Feeling sorry for poor people like John O`D, Wille O`D and sleveens like Cullen who cost us millions is whats wrong with us. We should show them the same amount of mercy as they show us, none whatsoever.

I agree. It`s very Irish to have someone to a terrible job for years but just cause he walks away it`d be wrong to say anything bad. He was crap as a politican and good riddens etc...
The Horse McCool
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Posted: 09-Mar-2010 12:33
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Wasn`t he also a turncoat from the PD`s?

Deise Vu
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Posted: 09-Mar-2010 12:38
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I didn`t hear Colleran and would have no meas or interest in what he has to say anyway.

Much more interesting is the fact that Cullen is resigning his seat too. The illness shouldn`t automatically have required that. He would have been paired with a member of the opposition any time he couldn`t attend the Dáil on grounds of ill-health. I think there`s definitely an element of FU about it. He was always wheeled out to defend the indefensible and took plenty of flak for Biffo and I reckon there`s a hint of bitterness about the seat resignation.

Happily, it`s Cullen`s final present to the Waterford electorate. FG will definitely win the by-election through Paudie Coffey but the Govt will have to be seen to do something for the consituency to avoid a total humiliation. Then there`ll be a seat for sale at the next general election to the highest party bidder. Happy days!

It`s almost like living in a democracy ... or the West of Ireland. Thanks Martin and good luck in your retirement.
Ballybrown bruiser
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Posted: 09-Mar-2010 19:05
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There is an element of dancing on someone`s grave to say he is useless on the night he quits. But it`s been a day now and we can be brutal. He was a very poor minister.

And this rot about the Dublin-Waterford motorway being down to him????? Give me a break.

TD`s don`t get motorways built, factories into cities etc . . . but they can hold them up.

Cullen did pay Monica Leech a fortune to write press releases about how great he was for the Waterford newspapers - almost 300k a year. That was a scandal - forget the libel cases - the real story was the tax payer paying to make sure the local papers got a positive story about Cullen every week. She wasn`t even doing the national stuff.
All to make sure that Cullen`s profile was boosted. On our tax dollars.

He`ll be sorely missed
twiceasnice97
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Posted: 09-Mar-2010 19:21
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Originally posted by merlante:
I`d say he kept Waterford on the agenda, and ensured that funding was obtained for key infrastructure, etc., where before government support was haphazard or non-existent. Aside from the M9, bypass, and outer ring road, which is the equivalent of what delivered to the other major cities, I wouldn`t have said huge money was spent on Waterford. There were none of the ministerial gifts like National Aquatic centres, or race course or stadiums, etc., that seem to pop up elsewhere when the local lads gets into the cabinet.

It will be interesting to see whether the city will go back to the dark days of having vital infrastructure delayed indefinitely. Hopefully not.

this is exactly why our system of governance is fcuked.

its all about clentelism and short term localised gain at the expense of proper coherent national policy
mrhappy
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Posted: 09-Mar-2010 23:15
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Originally posted by twiceasnice97:


this is exactly why our system of governance is fcuked.

its all about clentelism and short term localised gain at the expense of proper coherent national policy

Absolutely agree - the man has wasted money hand over fist but when he leaves it comes down to what he has got for Waterford - most of what was done in the South-East would have been done anyway - whether he was at the cabinet table  or not but people seem to think they need a minister to get the `goodies` even at the expense of the country as a whole..
HitemHardHardHard
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Posted: 09-Mar-2010 23:22
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He should have kicked him before he went down along with a few others on both sides of the house.

Originally posted by mrhappy:


Absolutely agree - the man has wasted money hand over fist but when he leaves it comes down to what he has got for Waterford - most of what was done in the South-East would have been done anyway - whether he was at the cabinet table   or not but people seem to think they need a minister to get the `goodies` even at the expense of the country as a whole..
a langer boy
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Posted: 09-Mar-2010 23:28
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Not sure that he will be missed very much, personally sorry to hear anyone is ill, but he was never ministerial material, seriously like was he?
This message has been edited - 09-mar-2010 @ 23:30
dodgy-keeper
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Posted: 11-Mar-2010 19:51
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Cullen was a truly disastrous Minister.

Him, Coughlan and Dempsey are/were useless.
Club_Player
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Posted: 11-Mar-2010 20:44
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Originally posted by Ballybrown bruiser:
There is an element of dancing on someone`s grave to say he is useless on the night he quits. But it`s been a day now and we can be brutal. He was a very poor minister.

And this rot about the Dublin-Waterford motorway being down to him????? Give me a break.

TD`s don`t get motorways built, factories into cities etc . . . but they can hold them up.

Cullen did pay Monica Leech a fortune to write press releases about how great he was for the Waterford newspapers - almost 300k a year. That was a scandal - forget the libel cases - the real story was the tax payer paying to make sure the local papers got a positive story about Cullen every week. She wasn`t even doing the national stuff.
All to make sure that Cullen`s profile was boosted. On our tax dollars.

He`ll be sorely missed

This post is total Bulls**t. The truth is that Leech was paid less than Cullen would have paid for a PR Consultancy in Dublin. All TDs employ them so he actually saved the taxpayer money by using a cheaper, local alternative
Ballybrown bruiser
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Posted: 11-Mar-2010 21:00
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Originally posted by Club_Player:


This post is total Bulls**t. The truth is that Leech was paid less than Cullen would have paid for a PR Consultancy in Dublin. All TDs employ them so he actually saved the taxpayer money by using a cheaper, local alternative

All TD`s employ them?
Incorrect, very few TDs employ PR consultants and none of them can on the back of the taxpayer. - Cullen was a minister and took it upon himself to employ Monica Leech ON TOP OF the existing PR office that worked within his department. This was an extra that other ministers didn`t use.

Saved the taxpayer money?
She was not paid less than a PR consultancy in Dublin - she was paid 300k per annum to only deal with his local press. ON TOP OF what was being paid to a PR consultancy to communicate on the department/minister`s behalf.

The real point here is why a minister was allowed employ her as a personal PR when he had plenty of  (already paid for )  expertise in his office.

All TDs use Dublin PR??????
Shows what you know about it.
The only one ridden in that mess was the taxpayer.
blueblaa
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Posted: 11-Mar-2010 22:08
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Originally posted by dodgy-keeper:
Cullen was a truly disastrous Minister.

Him, Coughlan and Dempsey are/were useless.

Why stop after naming three ministers ? How many good ones can you mention ?

It just seems to be a question of some ministers getting an easier ride from the media . . .
Rebelcounty30
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Posted: 11-Mar-2010 23:20
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Originally posted by Ballybrown bruiser:
There is an element of dancing on someone`s grave to say he is useless on the night he quits. But it`s been a day now and we can be brutal. He was a very poor minister.

And this rot about the Dublin-Waterford motorway being down to him????? Give me a break.

TD`s don`t get motorways built, factories into cities etc . . . but they can hold them up.

Cullen did pay Monica Leech a fortune to write press releases about how great he was for the Waterford newspapers - almost 300k a year. That was a scandal - forget the libel cases - the real story was the tax payer paying to make sure the local papers got a positive story about Cullen every week. She wasn`t even doing the national stuff.
All to make sure that Cullen`s profile was boosted. On our tax dollars.

He`ll be sorely missed

Cue...some waterford contributors telling us even wasnt that bad!!
Rebelcounty30
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Posted: 11-Mar-2010 23:23
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Originally posted by Club_Player:


This post is total Bulls**t. The truth is that Leech was paid less than Cullen would have paid for a PR Consultancy in Dublin. All TDs employ them so he actually saved the taxpayer money by using a cheaper, local alternative

What a load of bollix...the govt brought in new regulations on hiring of PR contracts after this contraversy..i wonder wonder why??...as the man famously said himself about a year ago on Govt flights to Kerry .." ah sure 8K is chickenfeed!"...some public servant alright!
merlante
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Posted: 12-Mar-2010 11:30
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Originally posted by twiceasnice97:


this is exactly why our system of governance is fcuked.

its all about clentelism and short term localised gain at the expense of proper coherent national policy

It is about that, because it has to be about that. The lesson for those of us who believe that TDs should be more about national rather than local politics is that this belief will not do much to resolve the major local issues of the day unless you have a minister nearby.

If we did proper development plans in this country that were actually followed, Waterford as the fifth largest urban centre and capital of the south east region would be on a par with other regional centres such as Limerick and Galway in terms of jobs, infrastructure, etc., and there wouldn`t be any need for `local` ministers. But as we all know, that`s not how this country works. We don`t do development plans, we do a whoever shouts the loudest gets showered with the `goodies` and whoever keeps quiet gets forgotten about.

The existence or non-existence of the `local` minister leads to feast or famine style booms and busts in constituencies, and reinforces the smash and grab mentality all the more.

We also `do` parochial infighting, which means that whilst nice big counties, with a large number of seats, like Cork and Galway, row in behind their cities. Carlow, Wexford, Kilkenny, etc. queue up to attack Waterford city, which is supported by only 4 seats. You gotta love counties: invented by the British, seared into the mentality of generations by the GAA.

If people want to see an end to clientelism, as I do, then please stop voting for FF. Don`t vote for the dynasties or the superstars. Vote for policies.

But this being a GAA board, I`m sure that most of you will tip the hat to grand mammy`s  (the women pass this stuff on the best )  civil war party of choice.
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