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Topic: Tyrone v Dublin
Blue Blood
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Posted: 30-Jul-2010 14:28
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Right, I know I have been quite vocal with my anti current management opinions but the reality is Dublin are in the AI QF so full support is needed if we are to have a chance of winning. I will be eating a serious amount of humble pie if we somehow manage to win this game but I`ll be only too delighted to admit I was wrong if this happens.

So the question is do Dublin have a chance tomorrow or is damage limitation the best we can hope for?
maxximus
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Posted: 30-Jul-2010 14:34
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the timing of dublin substitutions will have a direct influence on how long dublin stay in this game imo , also they must not concede an early goal .

i will still back tyrone minus 2 at 10/11 , they have a very settled team and a very potent bench
Blanco
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Posted: 30-Jul-2010 14:39
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Can`t see Dublin winning myself to be honest, but neither do I feel it is the foregone conclusion that some people make it out to be.

The qualifier route has severed Dublin well , they seem a better team now than the team that were very poor in the Leinster championship.

But I think Tyrone look very focused this year and are playing very well , and would be my favorites to lift Sam at this stage.

Tyrone by 5 - ish.
Blue Blood
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Posted: 30-Jul-2010 14:42
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Originally posted by Blanco:
Can`t see Dublin winning myself to be honest, but neither do I feel it is the foregone conclusion that some people make it out to be.

The qualifier route has severed Dublin well , they seem a better team now than the team that were very poor in the Leinster championship.

But I think Tyrone look very focused this year and are playing very well , and would be my favorites to lift Sam at this stage.

Tyrone by 5 - ish.

I think they`re the strongest in the Championship myself and as funny as it sounds would definitely have preferred Kerry than them. Was very impressed by them in the Ulster Final.
Flog
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Posted: 30-Jul-2010 14:49
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Same team again lads......

Dublin  (SF v Tyrone ) : S Cluxton. M Fitzsimons, R O`Carroll, P McMahon. K Nolan, G Brennan, B Cahill. R McConnell, MD Macauley. N Corkery, A Brogan, B Cullen. D Henry  (captain ) , E O`Gara, B Brogan.
Blue Blood
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Posted: 30-Jul-2010 14:55
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Originally posted by Flog:
Same team again lads......

Dublin   (SF v Tyrone  )  : S Cluxton. M Fitzsimons, R O`Carroll, P McMahon. K Nolan, G Brennan, B Cahill. R McConnell, MD Macauley. N Corkery, A Brogan, B Cullen. D Henry   (captain  )  , E O`Gara, B Brogan.

I don`t know what Keaney has to do to get in but suppose we`ll see how it pans out tomorrow....
theface2010
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Posted: 30-Jul-2010 15:06
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Hope Dublin give them a good rattle but I would be worried if I were a Dub-Tyrone looked pretty good against Monaghan and have virtually the same team that destroyed them 2 years ago while Dublin have possibly gone backwards since. Think Tyrone really enjoy playing Dublin in Croker too so they`ll be up for it. I`d say Tyrone will win anyway but either a close 1/2 pointer or a 12-15 pont hiding. I would fear the latter.
sam
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Posted: 30-Jul-2010 15:16
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Our lack of scoring forwards is going to catch up with us tomorrow I`d imagine, we might break even possession wise but Tyrone will convert more of their possession into scores. We`ll be needing goals to stay in the game.
london irish
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Posted: 30-Jul-2010 16:36
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Sorry this is where Dublin bow out. They had soft ones all the way playing at home. ExitDublin poor team.
Rathmore Castle
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Posted: 30-Jul-2010 16:39
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Originally posted by Blue Blood:
Tyrone v Dublin

Tyrone by around 5 points
Finty
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Posted: 30-Jul-2010 16:52
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Originally posted by Rathmore Castle:

Tyrone by around 5 points

+1
sam
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Posted: 30-Jul-2010 17:09
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Originally posted by london irish:
Sorry this is where Dublin bow out. They had soft ones all the way playing at home. ExitDublin poor team.

Have you not said that before every Dublin game this year in either code? think you`ll be right this time but don`t go looking for any credit!
The referee
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Posted: 30-Jul-2010 22:31
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that would be my assessment as well. hats off though to them and Pat Gilroy if they pull off a win tommorow or even a performance.

Originally posted by london irish:
Sorry this is where Dublin bow out. They had soft ones all the way playing at home. ExitDublin poor team.
The Horse McCool
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Posted: 30-Jul-2010 22:35
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There is no reason why Dublin can`t win this one. If O`Gara gets good support he could do some damage. Alan Brogan needs to have his shooting boots on as well.
C`mon the Dubs!

rebelrebel30
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Posted: 30-Jul-2010 22:42
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Originally posted by The Horse McCool:

There is no reason why Dublin can`t win this one. If O`Gara gets good support he could do some damage. Alan Brogan needs to have his shooting boots on as well.
C`mon the Dubs!


I actually think O Gara is a poor player. Ive seen him in a few matches hes not a cute forward at all. Just head down runs and poor distribution. He got a goal against a poor on the day louth team, but against Armagh and meath he was poor.
caidman
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Posted: 30-Jul-2010 22:44
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tyrone are very overated this year, hav played in worst ulster champ in years, kerry will beat down in a canter and a average dubs team could well beat a very average tyrone team, dubs +3 @ evens is great bet , double them with kerry -4 for a super 3-1 winning bet !
The referee
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Posted: 30-Jul-2010 22:53
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I am not convinced either re ogara. tommorow will tell the tale though.

Originally posted by rebelrebel30:


I actually think O Gara is a poor player. Ive seen him in a few matches hes not a cute forward at all. Just head down runs and poor distribution. He got a goal against a poor on the day louth team, but against Armagh and meath he was poor.
The referee
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Posted: 30-Jul-2010 22:55
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jesus caidman go easy on the tyrone are not great talk.

remember kerry have yet to beat them in 3 attempts!! i wouldnt be rushing down to the bookies with a bag of euros either if we end up meeting them in the final

Originally posted by caidman:
tyrone are very overated this year, hav played in worst ulster champ in years, kerry will beat down in a canter and a average dubs team could well beat a very average tyrone team, dubs +3 @ evens is great bet , double them with kerry -4 for a super 3-1 winning bet !
cha
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Posted: 30-Jul-2010 23:28
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O`Gara is just raw - he just does not have enough flying hours.

But he is very difficult to mark. He will roast some top class full backs along the way - but, maybe not just yet.

If his touch does not let him down tomorrow, he will, at least, keep the Tyrone full-back line honest.

The Dub  (Summer )  supporters are very impatient and unrealistic - and want results  (as in goals )  immediately.

At this stage, he is about as raw as Anton O`Toole  (and a few others )  was in July 1974 - and look where they finished up two months later.

Rathmore Castle
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Posted: 31-Jul-2010 01:24
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Originally posted by The Horse McCool:

There is no reason why Dublin can`t win this one. If O`Gara gets good support he could do some damage. Alan Brogan needs to have his shooting boots on as well.
C`mon the Dubs!


Dublin have being lucky with the draw so far in the Qualifiers but there luck will run out tomorrow. Finally up against a good team. I can see Tyrone winning handy tomorrow and pushing on to win Sam. There is 1 more All-Ireland in them. Forget about the Dubs. There too soft.
Tipsy McStagger
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Posted: 31-Jul-2010 01:45
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Fancy Tyrone by about 6 or 7 points. Where are the Dublin scores going to come from apart from the Brogans? Cullen may chip in with a couple of points but I can`t see O`Gara making any headway. Corkery and Henry don`t score and the midfield and half back lines are not exactly prolific.

Tyrone have always been good defensively but have taken it to a completely new level this year. I can see them strangling Dublin with their sweeper system. A solid defence is the rock on which great teams are built in every sport and it`s no different in Gaelic Football. It`s actually a joy watching them defend and then strike, rapier like, on the counter.

There`s a lot of talk about Tyrone not being the team they were and that they have beaten nobody. Where`s the evidence for any of that? Tyrone taught Down, who are in the last eight, a lesson and their dismantling of an excellent Monaghan team was awesome. They will win this All-Ireland in my opinion because they are supremely motivated, in large part I suspect as a result of Kerry`s All-Ireland last year, and because they have superior footballing intelligence to any other team.
Rathmore Castle
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Posted: 31-Jul-2010 01:48
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Originally posted by Tipsy McStagger:
Fancy Tyrone by about 6 or 7 points. Where are the Dublin scores going to come from apart from the Brogans? Cullen may chip in with a couple of points but I can`t see O`Gara making any headway. Corkery and Henry don`t score and the midfield and half back lines are not exactly prolific.

Tyrone have always been good defensively but have taken it to a completely new level this year. I can see them strangling Dublin with their sweeper system. A solid defence is the rock on which great teams are built in every sport and it`s no different in Gaelic Football. It`s actually a joy watching them defend and then strike, rapier like, on the counter.

There`s a lot of talk about Tyrone not being the team they were and that they have beaten nobody. Where`s the evidence for any of that? Tyrone taught Down, who are in the last eight, a lesson and their dismantling of an excellent Monaghan team was awesome. They will win this All-Ireland in my opinion because they are supremely motivated, in large part I suspect as a result of Kerry`s All-Ireland last year, and because they have superior footballing intelligence to any other team.

+1
There is def 1 more Sam in Tyrone.
sam
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Posted: 31-Jul-2010 02:50
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Originally posted by Tipsy McStagger:
Fancy Tyrone by about 6 or 7 points. Where are the Dublin scores going to come from apart from the Brogans? Cullen may chip in with a couple of points but I can`t see O`Gara making any headway. Corkery and Henry don`t score and the midfield and half back lines are not exactly prolific.

Tyrone have always been good defensively but have taken it to a completely new level this year. I can see them strangling Dublin with their sweeper system. A solid defence is the rock on which great teams are built in every sport and it`s no different in Gaelic Football. It`s actually a joy watching them defend and then strike, rapier like, on the counter.

There`s a lot of talk about Tyrone not being the team they were and that they have beaten nobody. Where`s the evidence for any of that? Tyrone taught Down, who are in the last eight, a lesson and their dismantling of an excellent Monaghan team was awesome. They will win this All-Ireland in my opinion because they are supremely motivated, in large part I suspect as a result of Kerry`s All-Ireland last year, and because they have superior footballing intelligence to any other team.

Hard to disagree with any of that, what we`re  (Dublin )  hoping for is one of those occasions, that sport throws up every now and again, where logic and form go out the window and something totally unpredictable  happens. If you look at the two teams side by side there`s only one winner here. Moral victories are no good for anyone really but I`d nearly settle now for running Tyrone close and at least having something to build on next year.
arock
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Posted: 31-Jul-2010 12:38
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Originally posted by sam:


Hard to disagree with any of that, what we`re   (Dublin  )   hoping for is one of those occasions, that sport throws up every now and again, where logic and form go out the window and something totally unpredictable   happens. If you look at the two teams side by side there`s only one winner here. Moral victories are no good for anyone really but I`d nearly settle now for running Tyrone close and at least having something to build on next year.
I have a feeling this is going to be a low scoring affair two extremely defensive teams. I hope for better but the Dubs are a model to fail against Tyrone, still we can hope for "one of those occasions" as you say.
sam
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Posted: 31-Jul-2010 12:45
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Are Tyrone that defensive anymore? I know they often play with a sweeper but they attack in numbers after they win the ball and often rack up big enough score lines.

Dublin need a good start and to try and force Tyrone to come at them, but even with a good start there`s just so much class on that Tyrone team I fear the worst for our green FB line.

We`ll be under so much pressure with the ball that we`ll make errors because I don`t think we`ve enough footballers in the team to unlock the Tyrone defense, we might have enough workers/defenders to make it difficult for Tyrone, that`s the hope anyway.

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