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Cooney says it like it is,its all about the money.
magpie
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By Colm Keys
Tuesday September 07 2010
Galway`s clubs will meet tonight to discuss the ongoing furore over the choice of Semple Stadium as the venue for the All-Ireland U-21 HC final on Saturday against Tipperary.
A meeting of the Galway Hurling Board last night sought to convene the opinions of the clubs in emergency session after the Central Competitions Control Committee (CCCC ) confirmed by letter that Thurles had been chosen as the "fairest" venue for the match.
Galway believe that asking them to play a national final at the home venue of their opponents does not represent fairness.
"To say that we were very disturbed and disappointed by it would be the understatement of the year," hurling board chairman Joe Byrne said last night.
The prospect of boycotting the final has not been ruled out, with some hardliners in the county of the opinion that such a stand should be taken after the CCCC refused to yield.
"Nobody is in the business of not turning up for finals and we have to take cognisance of that. We`re in a damned if you do and damned if you don`t scenario," Byrne said.
Byrne had been of the opinion over the weekend that the venue would be changed after a meeting with GAA director general Paraic Duffy in Athlone on Friday. But GAA president Christy Cooney refuted suggestions that they were ready to reverse the decision.
"I don`t know where he got that from. Paraic Duffy and I don`t make the decision. The CCCC make the decision and we fully support the decision that they make," he said.
"If we`re asked for an opinion, we give an opinion. But we don`t dictate to CCCC in any circumstances where games should be played. That`s their job. I`m very happy with Thurles as a venue."
Pressed on whether choosing Thurles was giving Tipperary an advantage, Cooney said the same could be said of Dublin at Croke Park.
"We`ve put a massive amount of money into Thurles, it`s recognised as our second stadium and as a hurling stadium. We`re likely to play our U-21 hurling finals in Thurles for the foreseeable future. Counties have to recognised that."
Byrne said the letter from the CCCC stating that the nine members who select ed the venue on August 30 felt Thurles was the "fairest" choice was "bizarre carry-on that I`m certainly not used to".
Meanwhile, Liam Kearns, Gerry Fahey, Peter Warren, Pat Fallon and Frank Doherty are among the names being touted for the vacant Galway football manager`s job, the deadline for which closed yesterday.
theface2010
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07-Sep-2010 14:55
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Bit of a tough one to call-I do think all the U-21 hurling finals should be played in Semple but it does give Tipp a big advantage. Bringing up Croke Park to justify it is ridiculous though as that is of course an advantage for Dublin-two wrongs don`t make a right.
EastStand
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07-Sep-2010 15:01
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His argument that teams facing Dublin in Croke Park is the same as Tipp facing teams in Thurles is total b0llox.
Tipp can train away in Thurles whereas Dublin never use Croke park to train.
This game should be on in either Limerick or Ennis.
Blanco
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07-Sep-2010 15:08
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Originally posted by magpie:
By Colm Keys
Tuesday September 07 2010
The prospect of boycotting the final has not been ruled out, with some hardliners in the county of the opinion that such a stand should be taken after the CCCC refused to yield.
It would get very interesting if Galway took the nuclear option and carried through on the threat to boycott the match.
At this stage with tickets sold , rearranging the venue is out of the question.
Sligonian
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07-Sep-2010 15:16
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I wouldnt turn up. Hope Galway dont.
Eaststand makes the only point worth making, Tipp TRAIN in thurles all year the dubs dont in Croke park.
I think the insult by the CCCC in calling it the FAIREST venue may come back to haunt them when Galway dont show.
magpie
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07-Sep-2010 15:24
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As of 09 the CCCC was made up of the following members,good point ES.
Cathaoirleach – Jimmy Dunne (Cill Mhantáin )
Michael Delaney (Runaí - Comhairle Laighean )
Simon Moroney (Runaí - Comhairle Mumhan )
John Prenty (Runaí - Comhairle Connachta )
Danny Murphy (Runaí - Comhairle Uladh )
Tom Daly (Donegal )
Joe O’Shaughnessy (Wexford )
Michael O’Brien (Tipperary )
Phonsie Tully (Roscommon )
Runaí - Sean Ó Láoire (Páirc an Chrócaigh )
EastStand
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07-Sep-2010 15:33
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On top fo that, Tipp lads will have played countless club matches in Thurles. There are never Dublin club matches played in Croke Park.
Unlimited_Limerick
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07-Sep-2010 15:35
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Originally posted by Sligonian:
I wouldnt turn up. Hope Galway dont.
Eaststand makes the only point worth making, Tipp TRAIN in thurles all year the dubs dont in Croke park.
I think the insult by the CCCC in calling it the FAIREST venue may come back to haunt them when Galway dont show.
Definitely agree.
Also, what exactly is wrong with having the game in Limerick or Ennis? Maybe the ground in Ennis has seen better days but the gaelic grouds in Limerick is as good as brand new with over 50,000 capacity... It`s still closer to Tipp but at least its not their own back yard.
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07-Sep-2010 15:48
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u21 fixtures have been a joke for years , i have attended dub v wex matches over the last three years in this grade , all of which have been in parnell including this years provincial final .
Well done Galway for making a stand !
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Although I feel sorry for Galway there was a report in paper last week (cant find it now, will try again later ) saying the decision was made way back at start of summer. If that is true Galway should have been moaning then and not now when they saw Tipp are in the final.
BeTimberin
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07-Sep-2010 16:07
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While i see the point Galway are making i actually believe every under 21 game could be on a home and away basis before long within reason.
We played Tipp there this year in the 21 in Thurles and while i argued blindly over having to travel to Fraher last year i`ve come round now to accept that it is actually a better system going forward.
In saying that, it is not easy to go to an opponents home groudn for an All-Ireland final. Thurles will be packed next weekend with Tipp fans which makes an already difficult task for Galway, just tha bit harder!
shambolic
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Originally posted by magpie:
As of 09 the CCCC was made up of the following members,good point ES.
Cathaoirleach – Jimmy Dunne (Cill Mhantáin )
Michael Delaney (Runaí - Comhairle Laighean )
Simon Moroney (Runaí - Comhairle Mumhan )
John Prenty (Runaí - Comhairle Connachta )
Danny Murphy (Runaí - Comhairle Uladh )
Tom Daly (Donegal )
Joe O’Shaughnessy (Wexford )
Michael O’Brien (Tipperary )
Phonsie Tully (Roscommon )
Runaí - Sean Ó Láoire (Páirc an Chrócaigh )
The two Connacht lads aren`t going to put up much of an argument about the venue for a hurling match as they would be more interested in football IMHO.
The U21 football is always at a neutral venue. There would certainly be a lot more horse trading over the venue in that case.
Hold that Line
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07-Sep-2010 17:21
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Originally posted by cnoc16:
Although I feel sorry for Galway there was a report in paper last week (cant find it now, will try again later ) saying the decision was made way back at start of summer. If that is true Galway should have been moaning then and not now when they saw Tipp are in the final.
Yeah I`m sure it would have gone down well here alright if Galway objected to the venue of a final that they had not even qualified to play in yet.
Yojimbo
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07-Sep-2010 17:26
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Originally posted by theface2010:
Bit of a tough one to call-I do think all the U-21 hurling finals should be played in Semple but it does give Tipp a big advantage. Bringing up Croke Park to justify it is ridiculous though as that is of course an advantage for Dublin-two wrongs don`t make a right.
Cork, for one, have always loved playing in Semple.
Its only fitting that a hurling final should be played in "the home of hurling!"
blueprint
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07-Sep-2010 18:25
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No problems at all with playing finals in Thurles ,
the problem as I see it is the playing of ALL finals in Thurles , including everyone of them that has the home team involved .
Stool Pigeon
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07-Sep-2010 18:57
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This decision could turn out to be a good one for Galway hurling.
This could turn out to be the making of several Galway players as they are unlikely to encounter such an atmosphere in a national final ever again.
If the U21 grade is seen as a means to an end rather than an end in itself Galway could well gain more from having this game in Thurles than anywhere else. Any player who distinguishes himself in such a scenario will have shown he has the stomach for battle going forward. The likelihood is that at least a handful of the 15 should do that and the scenario they are facing into should stir their blood. There is a massive opportunity for lads to make a name for themselves and this is the mindset they should be taking into the game.
Since Tipp`s best U21 players are already on their senior team anyway we have a lot more to gain from this game even if we lose it as seems likely at this stage.
I just hope that the officials aren`t swayed by the crowd, location and occasion into giving Tipp every decision going.
arock
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07-Sep-2010 19:49
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Originally posted by theface2010:
Bit of a tough one to call-I do think all the U-21 hurling finals should be played in Semple but it does give Tipp a big advantage. Bringing up Croke Park to justify it is ridiculous though as that is of course an advantage for Dublin-two wrongs don`t make a right.
Dublin play in Parnell Park its only really the footballers that play in Croker and thats in the Leinster run in.
South Limerick Referee
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07-Sep-2010 20:04
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After winning the senior All Ireland, Tipperary will fill the house on their own, considering that the game is in their own back yard.
Regardless of what decision was made at the start of the summer Galway wont want to play in front of 40,000 baying Tipperary fans. The GAA obviously smell the shillings such a huge home crowd would bring in.
However I believe Tipperary would prefer Portlaoise or Tullamore to Limerick as alternative venues. That makes no sense to me.
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07-Sep-2010 20:30
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Parnell Park is Dublin`s home venue and only the Senior Footballers and Hurlers play championship in Croke Park. A 21 Final in Croke Park is not a home game for Dublin.
I have no problem with home and away within the province, even for finals if they are drawn for. If Dublin end up vs KK or Wex next year in the U/21 Hurlkng Final nest year or Kildare or Meath in the football and it`s at their home venue so be it but an All Ireland Final should NEVER and as far as I can recall HAS never been played on the HOME PITCH of one of the teams. A total joke and Galway should tell them where to shove it. If nothing else it would give them a right headache with refunds.
Stand up for yourselves tribemen!
The referee
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07-Sep-2010 21:56
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what scutter from cooney. If he has no influence on the decision as he says when he puts it back on the CCCC, why does he then try to justify the decision of the CCCC with a pathetic excuse that doesnt stack up ( this has been highlighted by East Stand and D2 and others ) .
and what about all the money that has gone into the Gaelic Grounds???
Originally posted by magpie:
By Colm Keys
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"I don`t know where he got that from. Paraic Duffy and I don`t make the decision. The CCCC make the decision and we fully support the decision that they make," he said.
"If we`re asked for an opinion, we give an opinion. But we don`t dictate to CCCC in any circumstances where games should be played. That`s their job. I`m very happy with Thurles as a venue."
Pressed on whether choosing Thurles was giving Tipperary an advantage, Cooney said the same could be said of Dublin at Croke Park.
"We`ve put a massive amount of money into Thurles, it`s recognised as our second stadium and as a hurling stadium. We`re likely to play our U-21 hurling finals in Thurles for the foreseeable future. Counties have to recognised that."
Byrne said the letter from the CCCC stating that the nine members who select ed the venue on August 30 felt Thurles was the "fairest" choice was "bizarre carry-on that I`m certainly not used to".
Larkin
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07-Sep-2010 22:01
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The GG is scandalously underused. My own theory on this is that Croke Park will not reward incompetence, which we have in abundance out on the Ennis Rd. I recently spoke with someone who had been talking to a senior CB officer and he asked him about why the U/21 final did not come to Limerick and the answer was along the lines of `why should we worry? The sales for the rules series are going brilliant`. I rest my case.
South Limerick Referee
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There could be a lot of things at play here. This could be a political decision based on votes that took place in the past.
The smoke filled dark rooms of the GAA are quare places.
Any word from the Galway county board meeting tonight?
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07-Sep-2010 23:35
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Originally posted by EastStand:
Tipp can train away in Thurles whereas Dublin never use Croke park to train.
Tipperary U21s use Morris Park or The Ragg to train.
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If dublin had beaten galway would the final still have been played in thurles??? Not a hope. Same goes if cork were in it and expected to travel to say newbridge to play kildare in an all ireland final. Its only because galway arent a glamour county that the are being made to like it or lump it. I hope for all other counties sakes galway lump it and decide not to show up. Maybe then the gaa will see they have to treat their members with respect. In case cooney frogets, without members the gaa doesnt exist
Blanco
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Originally posted by rashers09:
it. I hope for all other counties sakes galway lump it and decide not to show up. Maybe then the gaa will see they have to treat their members with respect.
In reality I think there is very little chance that Galway will boycott the game , the sanctions against them by the GAA would be huge.
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