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tipp handy all ireland??
rashers09
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07-Sep-2010 22:52
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A bit like limerick in 1973 winning the all ireland against a weakened kilkenny team, can tipp really say they are the best team in ireland. Kilkenny lost brian hogan, their rock in the halfback line, his replacement was only just returning from injury so was undoubtably not up to match pace or fitness and then to top it off, the top scorer in hurling championship history has to go off after 10 minutes. Surely if limerick`s in 73 is considered lucky, tipp`s win falls into the same category
rev it up
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07-Sep-2010 22:55
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Definitely yes handy all Ireland well spotted.
jimmymahon
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07-Sep-2010 23:07
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Originally posted by rashers09:
A bit like limerick in 1973 winning the all ireland against a weakened kilkenny team, can tipp really say they are the best team in ireland. Kilkenny lost brian hogan, their rock in the halfback line, his replacement was only just returning from injury so was undoubtably not up to match pace or fitness and then to top it off, the top scorer in hurling championship history has to go off after 10 minutes. Surely if limerick`s in 73 is considered lucky, tipp`s win falls into the same category
Yawn.......
I`m no Tipp supporter, but there`s no such thing as a handy All-Ireland. Very poor attempt at a wind-up.
If you`re serious, that`s even sadder. Try harder next time. Well done Tipp, great win.
Let it go man, let it go......
Galway Bay
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07-Sep-2010 23:10
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Originally posted by rashers09:
tipp handy all ireland??
Pathetic effort at a wum. I take it youre not a "galtee" rasher anyway
The referee
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07-Sep-2010 23:12
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well in the 2007 all ireland final, kilkenny lost shefflin through injury early on and also noel hickey and proceeded to hammer limerick with the aforementioned lads applying ice to injuries in the stands whilst kilkenny scored at will.
this kilkenny team is recognised as one of the greatest of all time, the kilkenny team of 1973 was not in the same class.
not a handy all ireland for tipp no matter how u analyse it.
Originally posted by rashers09:
A bit like limerick in 1973 winning the all ireland against a weakened kilkenny team, can tipp really say they are the best team in ireland. Kilkenny lost brian hogan, their rock in the halfback line, his replacement was only just returning from injury so was undoubtably not up to match pace or fitness and then to top it off, the top scorer in hurling championship history has to go off after 10 minutes. Surely if limerick`s in 73 is considered lucky, tipp`s win falls into the same category
rashers09
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07-Sep-2010 23:17
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Posted on another thread about 73 all ireland.
"Yeah Limerick got that All Ireland in a lucky bag alright.
Richie Bennis` winning point from a 70 in the Munster final was at least a foot wide.
They then met a Kilkenny team bereft of Eddie Keher, Jim Treacy, Kieran Purcell and Eamonn Morrissey from their Leinster winning team.
"It was so bad that they had to bring back Claus Dunne who hadn`t played championship hurling since 1963 just so as they had someone to take the frees.
They also had a lad called Paddy Broderick playing wing forward wearing a pair of glasses in the p*ssings of rain. I kid you not.
Limerick were blessed and they still only barely won it with the greatest scrum of a goal ever by Ned Rea.
The proof of the pudding was the following year when Kilkenny had their full team. They beat them out the gate by 12 points."
Cant be 1 rule for limerick and another for the "home" of hurling
mully93
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07-Sep-2010 23:22
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that was no handy all ireland tipp had to beat arguably the greatest team of all time so what if brian hogan was out tennyson came in and did a good job considering he was dogged by injuries tipperay this year and limerick in 1973 were driven teams and no other county would stand in their way if they got to the all ireland
deadhead
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07-Sep-2010 23:30
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Were Tipperary not missing three players this year - two who played in last year`s AI (Woodlock and Kerwick ) and Eoin Kelly`s brother, Paul?
Kilkenny were missing one - Brian Hogan. All the others were fit to start.
Even bigger achievement by Tipperary when you look at it like that.
KeepOnHurling
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08-Sep-2010 04:04
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Originally posted by The referee:
well in the 2007 all ireland final, kilkenny lost shefflin through injury early on and also noel hickey and proceeded to hammer limerick with the aforementioned lads applying ice to injuries in the stands whilst kilkenny scored at will.
A bit of revisionism here. Shefflin went off just before half time, with Kilkenny already 8 points up, helped by a goal from Shefflin.
The second half was a very even affair, Kilkenny eventually won by 7, so you could even say that Limerick outscored Kilkenny during the time Shefflin was off the pitch.
This hammering Limerick while Shefflin sat in the stand story isn`t correct. Maintaining a lead built up while Shefflin was playing is more correct.
Scoring at will after Shefflin went off is just rubbish.
KeepOnHurling
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08-Sep-2010 04:12
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I wonder how much of a turning point to the season was the injury to Ollie Canning, with 5 mins to go in the Galway/Tipp game with Galway looking comfortable ?
hard shoulder
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Originally posted by deadhead:
Were Tipperary not missing three players this year - two who played in last year`s AI (Woodlock and Kerwick ) and Eoin Kelly`s brother, Paul?
Kilkenny were missing one - Brian Hogan. All the others were fit to start.
Even bigger achievement by Tipperary when you look at it like that.
Also Eoin Kelly (In his prime as good as Shefflin ) severly restricted due to back problems so on injuries, swings and roundabouts. Also Tipp`s performance last year showing they have been more than a match for KK for 2 years. I suspect KK will not beat Tipp by 12 next year like Limerick in 74.
Fair play to Tipp, they`ve done the game of Hurling some service.
EastStand
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There wre people on this site for weeks coming into the game saying that Kilkenny were unbeatable and asking if Kilkenny could win the by 20 points etc!
Tipp came and blew them out of the water and you`re asking if Tipp won a handly All Ireland? Might have been true in 1989, but not here. No way.
Old Stock
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08-Sep-2010 08:11
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Originally posted by rashers09:
tipp handy all ireland??
Any All Ireland won through the back door has to be considered lucky in my opinion.
rebelrising
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Originally posted by Old Stock:
Any All Ireland won through the back door has to be considered lucky in my opinion.
it would be lucky if they changed the rules mid championship and allowed teams in through the back door. everyone knows at the start that in a provincial championship defeat you get a second chance. hardly luck really.
deise2010
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I agree, all ireland won in back door.At least kilkenny won every game to get to all-ireland. Tipp lost their first game!!!!!!!!!!!
KKCatExile
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08-Sep-2010 10:33
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Originally posted by deise2010:
I agree, all ireland won in back door.At least kilkenny won every game to get to all-ireland. Tipp lost their first game!!!!!!!!!!!
Waterford, of course, would never accept a place in an AI final won through the backdoor.
Get a grip, the rules were there at the start, Tipp played by them, and won by them, and we all knew what they were at the outset.
I`d prefer a backdoor All Ireland than what Waterford have won this past 50 years. Maybe if ye worked on winning instead of begrudgery you`d be more successful...
red1892
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08-Sep-2010 10:40
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Originally posted by deise2010:
I agree, all ireland won in back door.At least kilkenny won every game to get to all-ireland. Tipp lost their first game!!!!!!!!!!!
in fairness it was cork in PUC on a wet day against 1 of the most fired up cork teams ive ever seen,in the 1st round.kilkenny had to play a poor dublin team that was knocked out by antrim.
All Blacks
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The best team wins the all ireland every year & last Sunday Tipp were the best team end of
kerrygem
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08-Sep-2010 11:45
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the cats will be back next year and tipp can be beaten which will open the whole thing up next year. Cork,Galway W`Ford, even Limerick,Clare and Offaly will fancy it.
deiseach
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08-Sep-2010 11:58
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Originally posted by jimmymahon:
Yawn.......
I`m no Tipp supporter, but there`s no such thing as a handy All-Ireland. Very poor attempt at a wind-up.
If you`re serious, that`s even sadder. Try harder next time. Well done Tipp, great win.
Let it go man, let it go......
Nothing more need be said
Old Stock
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08-Sep-2010 12:00
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Originally posted by rebelrising:
it would be lucky if they changed the rules mid championship and allowed teams in through the back door. everyone knows at the start that in a provincial championship defeat you get a second chance. hardly luck really.
Look if the All Ireland was played before the back door rule in `97 Tipp would not have won it. Perhaps in a couple of years time the rule will change again and if so Tipp will not win one by loosing a game. So in my view, yes they were LUCKY is have won in an eara of the back door window.
I have no doubt that the format will change again and if Croke Park want teams that loose to be still in the championship, then they should introduce a round robbin system and allow all losing teams re-entry at the same time.
Tipp losing their first game back in May gave them plenty of time and handy games to build up a team again that peaked at the right time.
Hence they were lucky to have that backdoor window of oportunity. If Clare had that oportunity in `96 I guess they would have gone on to do three in a row.
You can change the word "lucky" with "handy" above if you like.
Mickey Pearse
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Originally posted by The referee:
well in the 2007 all ireland final, kilkenny lost shefflin through injury early on and also noel hickey and proceeded to hammer limerick with the aforementioned lads applying ice to injuries in the stands whilst kilkenny scored at will.
What a load of drivel.Yes kilkenny were deserving winners but considering how average we were at times even that year we can have no complaints but how does a 7 point beating represent a hammering.
We outscored them for 60 minutes that day and had 2 good goal chances missed especially a 10 yard free late on.that free would have put us within a goal if it was scored.
of course kilkenny could have come back and finsihed us off if we did score a goal but that game was far from a hammering in the same way waterford got hammered the following year and indeed many others we have suffered.
rorschach resurrected
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08-Sep-2010 12:22
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Originally posted by Mickey Pearse:
What a load of drivel.Yes kilkenny were deserving winners but considering how average we were at times even that year we can have no complaints but how does a 7 point beating represent a hammering.
We outscored them for 60 minutes that day and had 2 good goal chances missed especially a 10 yard free late on.that free would have put us within a goal if it was scored.
of course kilkenny could have come back and finsihed us off if we did score a goal but that game was far from a hammering in the same way waterford got hammered the following year and indeed many others we have suffered.
I agree. Limerick`s AI final performance was pretty respectable , in fairness. Seven points is not much in hurling. Limerick did themselves full credit that day.
And I hate Limerick!
Rebel CNC
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08-Sep-2010 12:37
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Originally posted by KeepOnHurling:
A bit of revisionism here. Shefflin went off just before half time, with Kilkenny already 8 points up, helped by a goal from Shefflin.
The second half was a very even affair, Kilkenny eventually won by 7, so you could even say that Limerick outscored Kilkenny during the time Shefflin was off the pitch.
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In fairness though, the phrase "foot off the gas" comes to mind. KK had plenty in reserve that day and never really had to extend themselves - the match was won.
FFS, Cork could argue that they won the second half against KK in this year`s semi final on that basis or that once Fraggy was finally replaced by Jerry, Cork beat them handy in remaining 25 minutes 0-14 to 1-5.
Mickey Pearse
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08-Sep-2010 12:44
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Originally posted by rorschach resurrected:
I agree. Limerick`s AI final performance was pretty respectable , in fairness. Seven points is not much in hurling. Limerick did themselves full credit that day.
And I hate Limerick!
Maybe not full credit but still good to to hear someone not subscribing to the view of many media pundits.
For the record this was not a handy all ireland for tipp.quite the opposite in fact considering they might have had 1/2 tough games to win an all ireland in 89/91.offaly were beaten well but improving all the same.Galway put them to the pin of their collar and had a good win over a hard working waterford.and thats before a mention of kilkenny.
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