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Topic: Is Ireland in big trouble (Anglo,Budget,Unemployment,Emigration ,etc ) 
deise2010
(27 Posts)
Posted: 09-Sep-2010 08:55
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What next
OD28
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Posted: 09-Sep-2010 09:13
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What next?
The European Commission is trying to harmonise the corporation tax system, further eroding our attractiveness for foreign direct investment.*
Indigenous businesses can`t get loans to create  jobs, because our banks are crippled.

We`re all f*cked.

 (*note. our tax rate will remain the same, just tax would be calculated differently
http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0909/eu_tax.html ) 
Blue Blood
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Posted: 09-Sep-2010 09:55
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Originally posted by deise2010:
What next

Knock Knock.
Who`s there?
The IMF.
AH Bollocks!
EastStand
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Posted: 09-Sep-2010 10:00
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Being away from Ireland I`m a bit out of the loop in terms of what the government intend to do to reign in spending.
What are they aiming to do? The social welfare payments seem huge - will they be cut?
What about these waste -of-time quangos that were set up? I was listening to the radio there last year when I was home and they were on about this government committee that was set up to to a study of children  (couldn`t believe what i was hearing ) . Anyway, after pumping something like 25m Euro into this quango to do this study, they produced a report and they summarised at the end of it that children a )  liked watching television, b )  liked their "Mammies" and c )  liked sweets. WTF?
OneCoolCat
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Posted: 09-Sep-2010 10:03
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Im not an expert on this but I have some money saved. Is it safe anywhere? BOI, AIB, Credit Union?
Abruzzi Spur
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Posted: 09-Sep-2010 10:07
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Tax harmonisation was a big part of the Lisbon treaty we were guilted into ratifying. Qualified majority can change our tax regime at any time.

It won`t effect anyone in FF or FG who are on the gravy train and the Irish people will believe without condition.

How many jobs have being create d as a result of the yes vote btw?

Ireland is only fcuked because the Irish people are Sheep. It will only ever be fcuked if we let it happen. The way we vote means we deserve everything we get.
GardenMan
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Posted: 09-Sep-2010 10:18
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Originally posted by OneCoolCat:
Im not an expert on this but I have some money saved. Is it safe anywhere? BOI, AIB, Credit Union?

Lodge with the credit union or just buy some government bonds if you are worried.
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References to the IMF are off the mark. Ireland is not in that critical a state. If the government ask them for help foreign investment will disappear, the economy will stagnate even further and the following generations will be faced will exponential tax increases to pay back the loan. Again, Ireland has no manufacturing industry, banking industry and little natural resources. Foreign investment for jobs, export goods and tourism are the critical economic drivers. For everyones sake the country has to manage its own finances. The IMF would introduce way too many restrictions.
Deise Vu
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Posted: 09-Sep-2010 10:25
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Originally posted by OneCoolCat:
Im not an expert on this but I have some money saved. Is it safe anywhere? BOI, AIB, Credit Union?

The bad news hasn`t stopped flowing yet from AIB & BOI and it hasn`t even started from the Credit Unions even though their accounts in arrears have more than doubled in the past three years.

Deutsche Bank or Rabobank are your only man. Blue chip customer base which would include State debt. Come to think of it, they probably lent Ireland, Greece and Spain a load of money.

Have you considered the Banque De Mattress? The deposit rate is poor but you sleep soundly. A mixture of dollars, sterling and Euro would give the most comfort.
Lukey
(473 Posts)
Posted: 09-Sep-2010 12:23
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Save this posts lads.

The IMF should have come in here on 1st September 2008.

Thats when the music finally stopped.

The change in tempo started in mid 2006, nobody  (except those who were recognised as moany naysayers )  noticed because SSIA`s matured and the bubbly continued to be drunk in our new kitchens.

By early 2007 the expressions "market correction" and "soft landings" became the dinner party specials.

When we headed to the polls we skipped along to Fianna Fails greatest spin "the Credit Crunch." A hit that Fianna Fail gladly attributed to "global factors"

12 months later, May 2008, while Govt depts budgets and cashflows were being cauterised, we were still singing "credit crunch" rather than slowing down to feel the real beat of the recession drum

A perfect storm of events -
-A property implosion
-A global banking collapse
-A strong Euro
-A puppet threatre for a Central bank
-A collapsing and failing Social Infrastructure
-An over fed bench marked self serving and under performing Higher-Public Sector
-And whatever yer having yerself...

Have brought us to today. A depression.

We, Ireland, will never recover, not in any of AFR`s members lifetimes.

The cost of Anglo alone will run to at least 44Billion. But whatever it does eventually wash out as, the fact that we don`t know now is keeping us in this drepression.

Until we do know, we cannot budget our capital developments, like new schools and public transport. We cannot offer future prospects for industrial/ commercial investments.

We are robbing the very generation that will fund yours and mine pensions and ould age. i.e. Make no mistake, when college fees are reintroduced, places will still be cut to make more `Full Fees` places available.

We are never going to get out of this hole. Never.

And we are a good two years away from the bottom. FACT.

And if I`m to be completely honest, I think I should have noticed the writing on the wall when Bertie Ahern said of of Willie Walsh`s MBO offer "a time when management wanted to steal the assets for themselves through a management buy out, shafting staff interests."

FFS. That was 2005.

What are we like when its to a GAA web forum we take our indignation to? I suspect we probably deserve what we now face.



limericklass
(2,138 Posts)
Posted: 09-Sep-2010 12:33
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Well, I didnt vote for FF in the last two elections  (and never have )  and also voted no in the two lisbon treaties. I had a feeling that the two combined would send us down the river..
limericklass
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Posted: 09-Sep-2010 12:36
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Our cost of credit on the open market due our downgrading is something like 6.6%, that is compared to Germany which is 2.2 approx. This at the moment is hitting home..
scalder
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Posted: 09-Sep-2010 12:44
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Hi guys I’ve been having panic attacks of late about the whole economic outlook, in Ireland but also globally and what to do – sell our house now  (yes we’d lock in a loss! ) , pay down loans or save, where to save, is the Euro safe or should I look to gold/silver?

Anyway during my research I came across this concept and it struck a cord, not pleasant for us but have a look at “Kondratiev wave” – if this is true we’re on the edge of a rough period on a par with the great depression.
Rebel CNC
(4,232 Posts)
Posted: 09-Sep-2010 12:46
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Originally posted by OneCoolCat:
Im not an expert on this but I have some money saved. Is it safe anywhere? BOI, AIB, Credit Union?

Under your mattress?

I think it`s probably safe whilst guarantee is in place. However I must admit I`ve transferred a good wedge of savings to a UK account I had from my time in London.

To be honest, If I had serious money €50k plus  (sadly I don`t )  I`d probably be looking at how to invest in gold.


Lukey
(473 Posts)
Posted: 09-Sep-2010 12:50
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Originally posted by Rebel CNC:


Under your mattress?

I think it`s probably safe whilst guarantee is in place. However I must admit I`ve transferred a good wedge of savings to a UK account I had from my time in London.

To be honest, If I had serious money €50k plus   (sadly I don`t  )   I`d probably be looking at how to invest in gold.



Look at Luxury Watches, Diamonds, and Art  (not the Foley Art but the Gallery Art )  too.

Serious Fire Sales in the Irish Times cassified Ads and in the Action rooms at the moment.

limericklass
(2,138 Posts)
Posted: 09-Sep-2010 12:53
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I think the IMF will come in..FF are now saying it will be next Feb before the full cost will be known..

I think with bank guarantee, the money is safe..but i am no expert..
This message has been edited - 09-sep-2010 @ 12:54
deise2010
(27 Posts)
Posted: 09-Sep-2010 12:57
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FF are a laughing stock. We could end up like Greece by the end of this year. Disgraceful. The most worrying thing is that BIFO Cowen dosent even talk to the people of this country, unlike Obama and the rest.
scalder
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Posted: 09-Sep-2010 13:01
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I know a bit about these guys and believe they are reliable but one option to look at is the Pert Mint certificates - €5000 minimum investment - I`m looking hard at Silver and will I think buy some next week - its cheaper and looking at the long term trends looks undervalued but again I`d welcome opinions and advice. historically Gold had a 1:16 relationship with silver but today its closer to 1:50, plus in an upturn the demand from industry for silver expands.

http://www.goldcore.com/products_services
blaamain
(459 Posts)
Posted: 09-Sep-2010 13:08
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OK, we`re in a deep hole, but we need some perspective too. check out this excellent  (but long )  article on Greece by Michael Lewis of Liars Poker fame.

http://www.vanityfair.com/business/features/2010/10/greeks-bearing-bonds-201010

It could be an awful lot worse.

Chuck Norris
(475 Posts)
Posted: 09-Sep-2010 13:34
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Originally posted by scalder:
Hi guys I’ve been having panic attacks of late about the whole economic outlook, in Ireland but also globally and what to do – sell our house now   (yes we’d lock in a loss!  )  , pay down loans or save, where to save, is the Euro safe or should I look to gold/silver?

Anyway during my research I came across this concept and it struck a cord, not pleasant for us but have a look at “Kondratiev wave” – if this is true we’re on the edge of a rough period on a par with the great depression.

Found myself like that about 18 months ago, and was worried about my job, our country, the world etc. But f**k it, sadly there is absolutely nothing we can do. Let the politicians on and let them do what they want because they`ll do it anyway. As an Irish male my life expectancy is 83 I think, I have a lot to do in that time and am not going to worry about decisions of gobsh*tes. Heard some comedian the other day talking about how maybe there is now a worldwide economic slowdown because people have enough stuff and don`t want any more stuff. Made me laugh and sums up the world we live in.
So Called Weaker County
(1,194 Posts)
Posted: 09-Sep-2010 13:59
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People need to get a grip.

We`re in a bad recession and many people are suffering but these things go in cycles. As sure as night follows day, there will be an upturn and people will start spending money again.

There seems to be a train of thought out there that no-one in the country has any money. Thats not true. We are still, per capita, one of the wealthiest countries in Europe. People aren`t spending the money  (although I`m going for a rake of pints tonight to buck the trend )  because of a loss of confidence and a worry for the future. That, too, will change soon.

So, heads up folks! Stay strong. Wait til election time and vent your anger then. There is absolutely no doubt that we`ll get out of this.

wibbly wobbly wonder
(967 Posts)
Posted: 09-Sep-2010 14:01
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Worried your pension will run short,

Senior health care solution -

So you`re a sick senior citizen and the government says there is no nursing home available for you - what do you do?

Our plan gives anyone 65 years or older a gun and 4 bullets. You are allowed to shoot 2 TD`s and 2 illegal immigrants!

Of course, this means you will be sent to prison where you will get 3 meals a day, a roof over your head, central heating, air conditioning and all the health care you need! New teeth - no problem. Need glasses, great. New hip, knees, kidney, lungs, heart? All covered.  (And your kids can come and visit you as often as they do now ) .

And who will be paying for all of this? The same government that just told you that you they cannot afford for you to go into a home.

Plus, because you are a prisoner, you don`t have to pay any income taxes anymore.

IS THIS A GREAT COUNTRY OR WHAT?


limericklass
(2,138 Posts)
Posted: 09-Sep-2010 14:13
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Originally posted by limericklass:


Well, I didnt vote for FF in the last two elections   (and never have  )   and also voted no in the two lisbon treaties. I had a feeling that the two combined would send us down the river..

I thought this was all sorted with our "Lisbon Guarantee" ..LOL...

Tánaiste and Education Minister Mary Coughlan has said that the Government will oppose any plans by the EU which could affect Ireland`s low corporation tax rate.

The EU is drawing up proposals to introduce a common consolidated corporate tax base across the 27-member bloc.

Business groups have sharply criticised the plans, saying they will damage investment in Ireland.

But Minister Coughlan said her Government and those of many other member states would vehemently oppose such moves.

"We do not want any interference on the issue of corporation tax," she said. "And there are many other member states who have equally expressed concerns.

"The continuation of 12.5% corporation tax, as alluded to by the Finance Minister, continues to be our policy."

Read more: http://breakingnews.ie/ireland/coughlan-govt-will-oppose-any-proposals-to-change-corporation-tax-rate-472878.html#ixzz0z2OkJl1Z
So Called Weaker County
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Posted: 09-Sep-2010 14:28
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Originally posted by limericklass:


I thought this was all sorted with our "Lisbon Guarantee" ..LOL...

Tánaiste and Education Minister Mary Coughlan has said that the Government will oppose any plans by the EU which could affect Ireland`s low corporation tax rate.

The EU is drawing up proposals to introduce a common consolidated corporate tax base across the 27-member bloc.

Business groups have sharply criticised the plans, saying they will damage investment in Ireland.

But Minister Coughlan said her Government and those of many other member states would vehemently oppose such moves.

"We do not want any interference on the issue of corporation tax," she said. "And there are many other member states who have equally expressed concerns.

"The continuation of 12.5% corporation tax, as alluded to by the Finance Minister, continues to be our policy."

Read more: http://breakingnews.ie/ireland/coughlan-govt-will-oppose-any-proposals-to-change-corporation-tax-rate-472878.html#ixzz0z2OkJl1Z


This is a complete non story.
scalder
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Posted: 09-Sep-2010 14:42
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See that’s it you can say don’t panic it will be fine, but in truth no one knows what will happen, 3 years ago people would have said bank shares were a one way bet, that Wall St household names would never fail, that houses would go for less than half their peak. In reality its an uncertain world, what will happen when the global economy picks up and demand for oil shoots up and the ‘peak supply’ issue reasserts itself, China is grabbing land and oil, we’ve a looming Iran/Israel conflict – instability folks looks set to continue. Caution is required and it would be prudent to protect your assets!
magpie
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Posted: 09-Sep-2010 15:12
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Originally posted by Lukey:
Save this posts lads.

The IMF should have come in here on 1st September 2008.

Thats when the music finally stopped.

The change in tempo started in mid 2006, nobody   (except those who were recognised as moany naysayers  )   noticed because SSIA`s matured and the bubbly continued to be drunk in our new kitchens.

By early 2007 the expressions "market correction" and "soft landings" became the dinner party specials.

When we headed to the polls we skipped along to Fianna Fails greatest spin "the Credit Crunch." A hit that Fianna Fail gladly attributed to "global factors"

12 months later, May 2008, while Govt depts budgets and cashflows were being cauterised, we were still singing "credit crunch" rather than slowing down to feel the real beat of the recession drum

A perfect storm of events -
-A property implosion
-A global banking collapse
-A strong Euro
-A puppet threatre for a Central bank
-A collapsing and failing Social Infrastructure
-An over fed bench marked self serving and under performing Higher-Public Sector
-And whatever yer having yerself...

Have brought us to today. A depression.

We, Ireland, will never recover, not in any of AFR`s members lifetimes.

The cost of Anglo alone will run to at least 44Billion. But whatever it does eventually wash out as, the fact that we don`t know now is keeping us in this drepression.

Until we do know, we cannot budget our capital developments, like new schools and public transport. We cannot offer future prospects for industrial/ commercial investments.

We are robbing the very generation that will fund yours and mine pensions and ould age. i.e. Make no mistake, when college fees are reintroduced, places will still be cut to make more `Full Fees` places available.

We are never going to get out of this hole. Never.

And we are a good two years away from the bottom. FACT.

And if I`m to be completely honest, I think I should have noticed the writing on the wall when Bertie Ahern said of of Willie Walsh`s MBO offer "a time when management wanted to steal the assets for themselves through a management buy out, shafting staff interests."

FFS. That was 2005.

What are we like when its to a GAA web forum we take our indignation to? I suspect we probably deserve what we now face.



Great post Lukey,unfortunatly your spot on.

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