Originally posted by Hurlingfever121:
The stats were show after the match sunday so SLR is spot on they did only win 9 out of 32 puck outs.As for saying Breen had a good match nothing against the lad but he scored 1 point and blocked one ball and missed a sitter infront of the goals how does that contemplate having a good game? Only a couple a months ago peple were on this site saying we need this players cause there all over 6ft. Well for a big man you would think he would be pulling ball out of the air all day.

Originally posted by Hurling Veteran:
A very foolish comment. It is different to the Limerick Leader headline in 2007. That came from a bitter Tipperary man who did not enjoy losing a three game series. Declan Hannon has never played Munster Championship hurling and it comes across as arrogance. He is young and will become streetwise with the media. He will escape with the comment because in reality Tipperary put us to the sword. I cannot imagine such a comment being tolerated or defended last year. John Allen needs to put a stamp on things.The talk about bottle and confidence is worrying. He made a mistake and everyone needs to accept that. A mistake from a young player. Defending the error of his ways will not address the matter we need him to accept he was wrong. We need the people on this site to accept he was wrong.Unfortunately success is the most difficult thing of all to manage. The Harty has brought some well overdue success and have no doubt that the victories over Cork last year were a spin off. But confidence brings other issues. We lost a generation of talented hurlers a decade ago. We need to keep these. Hopefully they can be guided in the proper direction and remain humble and gracious. We do not manage success well in Limerick.

Originally posted by Sa Bhaile:
Very good post, Veteran. I'd agree with most of what you say here, particularly about managing success.
Hannon has been a success story so far but he and the rest of the players should be kept away from the media as much as possible. It's only last year that we were all on a high regarding our u-21 team. Then Dowling and Hannon were interviewed on Limerick 95 and the interview was broadcast on the net. While it was great to win Munster, we ended up a bit disappointed after the Galway game. I can't say if that result would have been any different had the lads been kept off 95fm but I'd much prefer to be coming in under the radar. Thirty odd years ago you might get a few quotes in the Sunday Indo from a player the day of a big game and that would be the height of it but now everything that is said (or half said/implied) is picked up by the media and sent everywhere. This one line taken from the Hannon interview is a case in point. Those that point to it being only one sentence are right - but it has grown legs and that is exactly what happens with the media in this day and age. Therefore the need for professional management.Young Hannon should be allowed to concentrate 100% on getting back to fitness and anything, ANYTHING that might interfere with his recovery or his positive state of mind must be avoided. I don't agree that players need to be humble, necessarily. Some are humble, some are not - whatever works. But all should be protected from the dangerous animal that is the media and in which we are all participants now in this day and age. Hannon being a bit confident is fine if that's what works for him but that's not the issue. The issue is will his statement (that is now being bandied around and discussed and analysed all over the place)have any effect on him and on his confidence as a player this year or in the future, particularly if he comes back for the Tipp game but doesn't live up to the public's impression of him. That's the question. None of us can answer that for certain but nothing, NOTHING should be done that might in the slightest way affect the well being of any of our players. That is what professional management is all about - it doesn't stop at the gate of the training field. If players need to be interviewed, strict rules must be laid down as to what is to be said. The players don't have the freedom to be tucking into pizzas every night of the week no matter how much some of them might like pizzas. Similarly, the players should not have the freedom to be saying what they like in the build up to championship, no matter how innocuous they themselves might feel the statement is. Yes, in the interests of game promotion and having our youth see their heroes now and again, players will have engagements to fulfil and perhaps the odd interview - but these must be under very strict control. It's cruel, yes, but there's not much point in making all the physical and social sacrifices without managing the emotional/mental side 100% also.To finish, I think, the talk about the effect on Tipp is a red herring. But red herrings and every other type of a herring will be eaten up and spat out again by our modern media. That's a fact of modern life and it needs to be managed. I repeat - Nothing that MIGHT in the slightest way adversely affect any player should be countenanced. NOTHING. I hope this 'story' dies a death ASAP and everybody involved with the team stay out of the limelight until our achievements for the year, whatever they may or may not be, are over.

Originally posted by Hurling Veteran:
I am saddened that we have not learned.

Originally posted by glasandbán:
I think you are the only person on here that responds to their own posts, is it a trademark or what's going on?

Originally posted by Hurling Veteran:
Refusal to listen to sound advice results in repeated mistakes. Declan Hannon made a mistake. Shane Dowling repeated the mistake. John Allen did not heed the warning signs and prevent the Shane Dowling mistake. They are young lads and need guidance.

Originally posted by Hurling Veteran:
All supporters want is for things to be right. If you lose when everything is right then you cannot complain. We shoot ourselves in the foot. I can go back to 1980 and even farther if people wish where things that happened did not enhance the chances of success. Okay we might have been second best anyway it might not have mattered but you must have your own house in order before you step outside. Here are examples of where some piece of the jig saw not right.2012: Fitness/Intensity. Too much media activity
2011: Short passing game that O'Grady was too stubborn to change
2010: Depleted Team
2009: Disharmony
2008: Celebration mode
2007: No Complaints
2006: Poor Sideline until Richie took over
2005: Players dictating
2004: Dual players absent
2003: Jealousy among older players. Arrogance among younger players
2002: Cregan departure
2001: No Complaints
2000: Premature retirements
1999: Mark Foley picked corner forward
1998: Too many switches.
1997: Fuel tank empty
1996: 20 Questions
1995: Baggage from 1994
1994: Five minutes
1993: No Discipline. Not fit enough.
1992: No Complaints
1991: Injuries and 14 men
1990: 14 men. Don Flynn centre back?
1989: Not Fit Enough
1988: No appetite. Nobody wanted to be there.
1987: Pool ball. John Moore. Manufactured time.
1986: A shambles
1985: No appetite
1984: Horrible luck
1983: Cork were better
1982: Jim Greene held Fitzmaurices hurley
1981: Injuries
1980: Took off our best player

Originally posted by Hurling Veteran:
All supporters want is for things to be right. If you lose when everything is right then you cannot complain. We shoot ourselves in the foot. I can go back to 1980 and even farther if people wish where things that happened did not enhance the chances of success. Okay we might have been second best anyway it might not have mattered but you must have your own house in order before you step outside. Here are examples of where some piece of the jig saw not right.2012: Fitness/Intensity. Too much media activity
2011: Short passing game that O'Grady was too stubborn to change
2010: Depleted Team
2009: Disharmony
2008: Celebration mode
2007: No Complaints
2006: Poor Sideline until Richie took over
2005: Players dictating
2004: Dual players absent
2003: Jealousy among older players. Arrogance among younger players
2002: Cregan departure
2001: No Complaints
2000: Premature retirements
1999: Mark Foley picked corner forward
1998: Too many switches.
1997: Fuel tank empty
1996: 20 Questions
1995: Baggage from 1994
1994: Five minutes
1993: No Discipline. Not fit enough.
1992: No Complaints
1991: Injuries and 14 men
1990: 14 men. Don Flynn centre back?
1989: Not Fit Enough
1988: No appetite. Nobody wanted to be there.
1987: Pool ball. John Moore. Manufactured time.
1986: A shambles
1985: No appetite
1984: Horrible luck
1983: Cork were better
1982: Jim Greene held Fitzmaurices hurley
1981: Injuries
1980: Took off our best player

Originally posted by South Limerick Referee:
Its actually frightening to think that so many years we went out with some chink in our armour, or some thing not right. We were beaten ourselves too many years before anyone beat us.Anyhow I remain convinced that we need to trawl the West Limerick Junior Championship for a Bonnar Maher type player, someone physical who can run, and win any kind of ball sent his direction. The hurling can be improved if the player can win ball and is fast enough. Is there such raw material in West Limerick. People will give out about West Limerick but I dont care where such a player comes from as long as we find him.

Originally posted by South Limerick Referee:
Its actually frightening to think that so many years we went out with some chink in our armour, or some thing not right. We were beaten ourselves too many years before anyone beat us.Anyhow I remain convinced that we need to trawl the West Limerick Junior Championship for a Bonnar Maher type player, someone physical who can run, and win any kind of ball sent his direction. The hurling can be improved if the player can win ball and is fast enough. Is there such raw material in West Limerick. People will give out about West Limerick but I dont care where such a player comes from as long as we find him.

Originally posted by ken:
one guy i was impressed with in the intermediate game was eamon gleeson.hes brave an strong would need alot of work but the raw materials are there he has no fear

Originally posted by a skanger darkly:
Gleeson would fit that bill perfectly. He was with the senior panel at the start of the year but wasn't retained.He might be better suited to wing-back/midfield but his determination and ball-winning skills would be an asset at centre-forward.Think he got a bad bang and went off injured in last night's win over Mungret in the Intermediate championship.

Originally posted by ken:
one guy i was impressed with in the intermediate game was eamon gleeson.hes brave an strong would need alot of work but the raw materials are there he has no fear

Originally posted by South Limerick Referee:
The run with Cappamore to the Quarter finals wont do him any harm either. Another Cappamore man worth looking at if he got a lot of high level hurling into him and became the fittest player in the County is Bill Creamer. He got a run against Clare in a recent challenge, but hasnt had enough of the proper exposure to high level hurling that he would need to see what he can offer.Junior Hurling sorts the men from the boys very quickly and that's why I think we need to zone in on the Junior Championship. I must go to a few West Limerick Championship games this year.

Originally posted by Hurling Veteran:
I have been asked to pick my Limerick team

Originally posted by Billy De Kid:
My Team for the Laois Game would be.N.Quiad
S.Walsh
R.McCarthy
T.Condon
W.McNamara
S.Hickey
G.O'Mahony
D.O'Grady
P.Browne
S.Dowling
D.Hannon
C.Allis
G.Mulcahy
K.Downes
S.TobinThe full back line were so good the last day out you cant change them they deserve another chance.Hickey if fully recovered has to play.So i feel that Dodge is a MIDFIELDER so should play there.Both Browne and Dodge worked well last year so James ryan misses out.Some people wont like that but this is what i feel is the best team.The other change is Breen making way for Hannon.Hannon has had another 3 weeks training and will be back to nearly top form and he'll make a massive differance to the whole team. Leaving Davis on the bench will be a massive call over him being capt but i dont see anybody else from the forwards making way.Limerick will win this no bother.