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Residents angered by Limerick GAA plan for Gaelic Grounds concerts
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28-Dec-2011 22:39
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`Limerick Leader`
By Mike Dwane
Published on Wednesday 28 December 2011 08:44
PLANS by Limerick GAA officials to raise revenue by staging concerts at the Gaelic Grounds have struck a bum note with local residents.
Loud music from the Ennis Road stadium is the last thing its elderly neighbours need, according to Donal Killeen, chairman of the Greystones Residents Association.
County Board secretary Mike O’Riordan this month confirmed that the GAA intended to seek permission from Limerick City Council to remove a condition of planning – attached when the Gaelic Grounds was redeveloped – that the venue could only be used for sports-related events.
“We are also in the process of meeting with a national concert promoter with a view of hosting an event in 2012. The economic value to Limerick city and county would be in the millions and with the economy the way it is at present, this would be of huge benefit to the whole community, not alone the GAA, ” Mr O’Riordan said, adding the capacity for a concert in the Gaelic Grounds could reach 60,000.
But Mr Killeen said his association would oppose any application by the GAA to amend conditions on how the stadium can be used.
“The GAA have said that they are looking for a change and that they want to remove a condition that it can only be used for sports,” Mr Killeen said.
“I can tell them that Greystones residents will be objecting to that and there will also be strong opposition from Clareview and other residents groups on the Ennis Road. We have a lot of elderly people around in what is a very mature and settled area and we will be doing all that we can to stop this,” he vowed.
Mr O’Riordan told the Limerick Leader that the GAA had already met with an experienced concert promoter with links to both MCD and Aiken Promotions and “the feedback that we have got is that they are willing to discuss the situation further”.
And he hinted that the Gaelic Grounds could accommodate bigger acts than had played to date at Thomond Park – including Bob Dylan, Rod Stewart and Pink.
“Thomond Park is limited to a capacity of around 27,000 - we could go to 50,000 or 60,000 so it would be a different act, ultimately, that would be playing in the Gaelic Grounds,” he said.
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28-Dec-2011 23:08
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Rubber Bandits play before 60,000 at the GG
Now that would be different!!
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28-Dec-2011 23:14
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Its time the residents around the Gaelic Grounds were told where to shove it.
They adorn Thomond Park like a shrine, and there isnt ever news of objections to it. And think of the massive boost to the local economy. If the GAA had designed a replica of Thomond Park to be built on the Ennis Road, it would not have received planning.
Would Coldplay be an option for the Gaelic Grounds???
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28-Dec-2011 23:52
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You can tell the resudents to "shove it" all u like but the facrt remains that the planning granted to the Gaelic Grounds is quite stringent and restrictive, down to even how many cars are allowed to enter the grounds on match days. They won`t be any big concerts in the GG for the foreseeable future as the residents will fight to the bitter end.
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28-Dec-2011 23:59
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Originally posted by South Limerick Referee:
Its time the residents around the Gaelic Grounds were told where to shove it.
They adorn Thomond Park like a shrine, and there isnt ever news of objections to it. And think of the massive boost to the local economy. If the GAA had designed a replica of Thomond Park to be built on the Ennis Road, it would not have received planning.
Would Coldplay be an option for the Gaelic Grounds???
Another example of the consistent negative media bias towards the GAA. Positive spin put on every rugby story while hacks focus on any negative element of any GAA story.
Why not, U2 may play the Gaelic grounds.
The self loathing for Irish culture that exists in elements of Irish society is sickening.
dongles
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29-Dec-2011 00:28
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I for one will be delighted to see a few concerts there.
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29-Dec-2011 03:00
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would be great for gigs in the GG. Bandits wouldn`t get 6000 in there,not to mind 60,000. Cranberries could do one of their comeback gigs there shur, seeing as they never really played a proper hometown gig since hitting the bigtime back in the day....
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29-Dec-2011 13:18
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Originally posted by South Limerick Referee:
Its time the residents around the Gaelic Grounds were told where to shove it.
They adorn Thomond Park like a shrine, and there isnt ever news of objections to it. And think of the massive boost to the local economy. If the GAA had designed a replica of Thomond Park to be built on the Ennis Road, it would not have received planning.
Would Coldplay be an option for the Gaelic Grounds???
I know virtually nothing of Limerick`s class divides, but is it fair to say that the Gaelic Grounds are in a more upscale area than Thomond?
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29-Dec-2011 13:20
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Originally posted by The Parting Gas:
I know virtually nothing of Limerick`s class divides, but is it fair to say that the Gaelic Grounds are in a more upscale area than Thomond?
Thats true enough i suppose.
this is stadium rock, the sky would be the limit.
Cranberries not in that league, they may have filled it in 1994
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29-Dec-2011 14:24
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The housing estates in Mayorstone contain the same people, and are equidistant to both grounds.
Originally posted by The Parting Gas:
I know virtually nothing of Limerick`s class divides, but is it fair to say that the Gaelic Grounds are in a more upscale area than Thomond?
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29-Dec-2011 14:36
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Originally posted by South Limerick Referee:
The housing estates in Mayorstone contain the same people, and are equidistant to both grounds.
not sure what point you are trying to make here slr but what i would call mayorstone is directly across the road from thomond park main entrances, a good walk to the GG. i presume the previous poster meant to compare ballynanty with the ennis road and clareview.
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29-Dec-2011 17:57
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The closed shop in Mayorstone is actually closer to the Gaelic Grounds than it is to Thomond Park and there have been never complaints that we have heard of about Thomond Park!!!
Point taken though on the Ballynanty side of Thomond Park compared to Clareview. The Gaelic Grounds is surrounded on 4 sides by objection minded residents, whereas Thomond Park only has them on one side.
Anyhow this is an area I have a keen interest in and I asked about it at county board meetings. I am very keen that it goes ahead, because basically its a moneyspinner for Limerick GAA. There is no point in doing it for the sake of it, you need an act that will fill the place. You could minimise disruption on the local area by refusing to allow any cars cross the bridges from the South Side, and if they use the tunnel they must be parked out around Shannon RFC in Coonagh and beyond. Park and Ride should be used from Raheen Industrial Estate and other locations. Basically everyone should bite their teeth on this, its a hit and run job, short term nuisance factor but the surge in business on that weekend could well be the difference between saving jobs and not saving jobs in some city premises.
Who are the potential bands to fill the place? U2 played at Pairc Ui Caoimh when Pairc Ui Caoimh had a capacity closer to what Croke Park had back then, but all future U2 concerts will be in Croker now. I like the idea of Coldplay and they seem to be playing at similar sized stadiums in the UK
What would be the top 5 or 6 options that would be capable of filling the place????
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29-Dec-2011 18:37
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I`d be surprised to see them pulling anything like the crowds they want for this. A 60,000 gig is fine in Dublin, another thing completely down the country, especially in Limerick, which wouldn`t be anything as popular for daytrippers as Cork or Galway.
The Thomand Park gigs pulled some disappointing crowds, especially the Bob Dylan gig, which only got 14,000 or so. Now the only thing is is that Thomand Park was only pulling satellite gigs - The capacity meant that the acts would play down the country and Dublin, and Dublin gigs will just always attract more punters, especially since you can get to Dublin so quickly now.
A 40,000 - 60,000 gig down the country on the other hand presumably wouldn`t be held against a competing gig in Dublin on another night - unless U2 or Bruce Springsteen did an Irish tour, and I`d be surprised to see that happening. Where the Gaelic Grounds could work is if they annoyed the residents further and did something outside of the ordinary, something Thomand Park have hinted they wouldn`t do, such as staging a metal gig or the like there. Metalheads generally would have no problem venturing off the beaten track for a gig - the problem is there may not be enough crusties going around to pose a feasible headache for Ennis Road residents even if the perfect act was found to play.
One band that could work very well anywhere in Ireland would be AC/DC, who usually play Punchestown I think, but there would be big-demands setup wise for such a gig.The organisers are likely to play it safe as regards acts they bring in, but it could be surprisingly hard to draw crowds to Limerick for some of those names.
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as i said the sky`s the limit if it gets the go-ahead. the same acts that are speculated about in connection with slane. the biggest acts in the world have to play somewhere. It would be great to walk to see the Boss.
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29-Dec-2011 18:54
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If the Gaa had worked their heads with Munster rugby there may have been no new Thomond Park and their could have been a top class ground on the Ennis Road.
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Originally posted by john doe:
If the Gaa had worked their heads with Munster rugby there may have been no new Thomond Park and their could have been a top class ground on the Ennis Road.
If Munster rugby worked their heads there would have been no need for Thomond Park? Why is it always the fault of the GAA?
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To be honest I think this battle should have been fought back in 2003 when the stadium was finished, but JP walked into the Gaelic Grounds and handed Pat Fitz a €5 million cheque on the day of the drawn Munster Football final in 2004 and that all but paid for the place.
Perhaps JP could influence some of his friends to play in Limerick and Limerick only.
What are the exact financial figures from a 60,000 sell out???
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29-Dec-2011 19:30
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Christ, once again the lack of reality amongst gaa top brass is unreal. The likelihood of a stadium in limerick or cork or outside dublin selling out a gig for 60,000 over the next few years is absolutely NIL.
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Why not???
The right headline act performing in Limerick and Limerick only will surely sell out. However I would agree that the boom years were lost to this.
Originally posted by seanie:
Christ, once again the lack of reality amongst gaa top brass is unreal. The likelihood of a stadium in limerick or cork or outside dublin selling out a gig for 60,000 over the next few years is absolutely NIL.
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Originally posted by Larkin:
If Munster rugby worked their heads there would have been no need for Thomond Park? Why is it always the fault of the GAA?
Quite so. Long after the Munster rugby hypefest dies into oblivion, the GAA will be still going.
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Originally posted by seanie:
Christ, once again the lack of reality amongst gaa top brass is unreal. The likelihood of a stadium in limerick or cork or outside dublin selling out a gig for 60,000 over the next few years is absolutely NIL.
You may be right, but if so, it`s not merely a delusion of GAA top brass, it`s a delusion that every major ground owner across the country shares. Don`t try, don`t get.
There`s no harm in dreaming and not everything has to be in Dublin. Line up the right act and the D4 luvvies will swarm in their droves. The issue, as always, is finding the right act.
Btw, since when has it become an accepted fact that the place would have to sell out?
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Originally posted by South Limerick Referee:
Why not???
The right headline act performing in Limerick and Limerick only will surely sell out. However I would agree that the boom years were lost to this.
SLR, the train has left the station, this type of touring of huge bands is limited enough in the firts place without established venues like slane, croke park, O2 & aviva already hoovering up available acts/bands.
Bands of the size used to fill out 60,000 odd thousand stop over in ireland for one day max and will stay close to the capital.
Not a hope a band of this size, will use a venue like the gaelic grounds
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Originally posted by The Parting Gas:
You may be right, but if so, it`s not merely a delusion of GAA top brass, it`s a delusion that every major ground owner across the country shares. Don`t try, don`t get.
There`s no harm in dreaming and not everything has to be in Dublin. Line up the right act and the D4 luvvies will swarm in their droves. The issue, as always, is finding the right act.
Btw, since when has it become an accepted fact that the place would have to sell out?
well its limerick county sec who is mentioning 60,000 which is comepltely unrealistic, what would be much more realistic is a type of marquee event like in cork to be held there, where you could have smaller numbers attending. However this obviously will have an affect in potential turnover.
It would be far more in the various county board ivory tower dweller to focus on this type of event rather then the 60,000 sell out which will not happen.
Btw you need more thne the inhabitants of one dublin postal address attending an event of this nature
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Originally posted by The Parting Gas:
Quite so. Long after the Munster rugby hypefest dies into oblivion, the GAA will be still going.
Munster rrugby is here for good, it is better organised, more focused, less parochial, better financed and better marketed then any other club/sport in ireland outside leinster rugby.
Laid out fixture list, excellent stadium ( properly sized & comfortable ) as opposed to some hell hole like pairc ui chaoimh, ennis, salthill etc
No worries about funding club rugby or the private schools in the main which supply the players.
Munster rugby is an example in how to develop, grow and sustain a sports franchise, it is a lesson for the gaa, but one which the gaa seems absolutely delighted in ignoring
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I assume that it would need a 60,000 attendance to make it worth doing, as in the profit margin for Limerick County Board would come from say the last 10,000 people out of 60,000 after all other expenses were covered. However the fact that Oxygen have pulled the plug suggests that the money is no longer there among the young people, so it would have to be the older people you aim for, with the younger crowd going along just because its local.
Would the likes of Bruce Springsteen or Neil Diamond fit the bill?? Would Westlife be tempted into one last act before retirement???? Coldplay would probably need about 2 years notice. As I said above U2 are going to stay in Croke Park.
Would it pay the GAA to hire the racecourse????
Originally posted by seanie:
well its limerick county sec who is mentioning 60,000 which is comepltely unrealistic, what would be much more realistic is a type of marquee event like in cork to be held there, where you could have smaller numbers attending. However this obviously will have an affect in potential turnover.
It would be far more in the various county board ivory tower dweller to focus on this type of event rather then the 60,000 sell out which will not happen.
Btw you need more thne the inhabitants of one dublin postal address attending an event of this nature
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