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Correcting the mocks
irishmagic
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27-Jan-2012 13:53
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I got a shock today when my daughter who is sitting her pre junior was asked to bring in 20 euro so that an outside marker would correct her english. On enquiring a bit more i found out that she has paid 4-6 euro for other tests including religion.Can someone explain why this is necessary to me and when did this come in.
PLease dontr decent into a reason to bash d2 or other teachers. I just want to know for my own knowledge as to what this is about. It just seems like a waste to me
cityoftribes
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27-Jan-2012 14:14
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Originally posted by irishmagic:
Correcting the mocks
I can`t answer your question as to why, but I do wonder why it is that Teachers couldn`t simply swap the papers with a teacher from another school for correction purposes.
Legalalien
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27-Jan-2012 15:09
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That is absolute madness. I always thought part of a teachers work was correcting homework and would have thought exams fell into that as well.I haven`t been in school for a long long time so maybe things have changed.
theface2010
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27-Jan-2012 15:13
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Originally posted by Legalalien:
That is absolute madness. I always thought part of a teachers work was correcting homework and would have thought exams fell into that as well.I haven`t been in school for a long long time so maybe things have changed.
Maybe if it falls outside of the massive 4 hours a month they have added to their roster under the CPA then you have to pay extra for it. I blame Lehman Brothers anyway.
stewiegriffin
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27-Jan-2012 15:25
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Mocks are not a compulsory part of a school curriculum. Therefore, they are not state-funded.
Put simply, it`s down to an individual school whether to have them or not. If students want them, you have to pay for them.
Memphis04
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27-Jan-2012 15:25
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Originally posted by irishmagic:
I just want to know for my own knowledge as to what this is about. It just seems like a waste to me
why don`t you go ask the teachers?
RoyalGirl
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27-Jan-2012 16:08
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I know for us last year it was €15 to cover everything for the mocks added on to the standing order we pay each year for photocopying and locker rental and the like..
Legalalien
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27-Jan-2012 16:12
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Originally posted by stewiegriffin:
Mocks are not a compulsory part of a school curriculum. Therefore, they are not state-funded.
Put simply, it`s down to an individual school whether to have them or not. If students want them, you have to pay for them.
I don`t know a single person or school who didn`t do mocks and I`m in my 40s and have nieces and nephews gone through school recently.
So are christmas exams part of the curriculum?
What about homework?
By the way, I couldn`t even imagine Stewie having the balls to charge Brian for his mocks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Tb7yCCT4nM&feature=related
stones_off
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27-Jan-2012 16:15
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I paid for my mocks to be corrected by in the 90s. So it`s not a new thing.
stewiegriffin
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27-Jan-2012 16:17
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Yes most people do them because they are considered a good idea. Fact remains that they are not State-funded. Like any service, you have to pay for it.
dubliner 2
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27-Jan-2012 16:18
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Originally posted by irishmagic:
I got a shock today when my daughter who is sitting her pre junior was asked to bring in 20 euro so that an outside marker would correct her english. On enquiring a bit more i found out that she has paid 4-6 euro for other tests including religion.Can someone explain why this is necessary to me and when did this come in.
PLease dontr decent into a reason to bash d2 or other teachers. I just want to know for my own knowledge as to what this is about. It just seems like a waste to me
In this instance I`ll bash them gladly. Some teachers will tell you that they send them out for an independent view but in my view it is bone laziness. I would always correct my own mocks and have no time for any teacher who doesn`t.
stewiegriffin
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27-Jan-2012 16:21
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Some schools insist on outside corrections D2, so not everyone has the choice you have.
Also, subjects like Irish and English are more subjective and students frequently welcome a second opinion, especially where they feel the teacher is being hard on them in their regular term work.
dabloodybandages
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27-Jan-2012 16:33
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a company provides the mock exam papers__- so they hardly do it for free...
a lot of teachers want someone outside of d area 2 correct to get a different viewpoint on where d students might need extra help on...
also the other teacher correcting will generally send a report on what they thought of the test with d test when sending back results
dubliner 2
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27-Jan-2012 16:41
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Sorry lads but any teacher who needs a second opinion probably doesn`t know what he or she is doing. And you can always swap them with colleagues in the school if you want that second opinion.
Paying for the papers is one thing and I`ve no issue there. Most parents want kids to do mocks and obviously you have to pay the companies that produce them but there`s no way a kid should be asked for money for mocks to be corrected. Totally wrong in my view.
Girl in my place sends them out every year. Laughable efforts come back. Lads being given A`s in Higher Level subjects when the work barely merits a C. Waste of time and money.
stewiegriffin
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27-Jan-2012 16:46
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I`m quite happy that I know what I`m doing. I said the students value a second opinion sometimes.
Can you not allow for the subjectivity involved in the literature subjects?
Harrison Ford
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27-Jan-2012 17:06
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Teachers have it bloody soft and have a hugely inflated sense of entitlement.
Can you imagine the giving out they do in staff rooms...
Harrison Ford
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27-Jan-2012 17:07
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Originally posted by stones_off:
I paid for my mocks to be corrected by in the 90s. So it`s not a new thing.
doesn`t make it right.
dubliner 2
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27-Jan-2012 17:23
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Originally posted by stewiegriffin:
I`m quite happy that I know what I`m doing. I said the students value a second opinion sometimes.
Can you not allow for the subjectivity involved in the literature subjects?
So get your colleagues involved and swap papers around. Doesn`t happen in my school but it does in another one I know and if I need a second opinion I can get one without paying for it.
dubliner 2
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Originally posted by Harrison Ford:
Can you imagine the giving out they do in staff rooms...
I`m too busy working to spend much time in a staff room.
Clown.
Rebel CNC
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27-Jan-2012 17:26
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Originally posted by irishmagic:
I got a shock today when my daughter who is sitting her pre junior was asked to bring in 20 euro so that an outside marker would correct her english.
Never heard of it -nice little earner though.Swap 30 papers with a buddy in another school and you both coin in €600 tax free. That`s the first foreign holiday paid for!!
stewiegriffin
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27-Jan-2012 17:30
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D2, we do that too sometimes for some subjects. Not everyone is comfortable being evaluated by colleagues though.
You`re right in that it should be done more often but you also know that some won`t do it because they don`t have to. A school-wide policy might need to be implemented either way.
glasandbán
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27-Jan-2012 19:10
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Originally posted by stewiegriffin:
D2, we do that too sometimes for some subjects. Not everyone is comfortable being evaluated by colleagues though.
So if teachers aren`t comfortable being evaluated by colleagues people have to pay for correction?
Mocks are surely part of preparing students for their exams, this should just be part of a teachers job.
stewiegriffin
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27-Jan-2012 19:49
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Whether it should be or not, the fact is that it`s not part of the job. Not officially anyway.
Some people object to swapping mocks. Others do it all the time.
There needs to be consistency because it`s not right that the teachers in `school x` get paid to correct mocks and the teachers in `school y` don`t. No-one can achieve or seek consistency of approach on a countrywide basis except the DES and they don`t/can`t get involved because Mocks are not part of the official school curriculum that they are responsible for.
The Educator
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27-Jan-2012 20:09
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Agree with D2 here. Think you are better off correcting your own as you get to see exactly where the student is going wrong. Marking is a pain in the hole, but is part of the vocation./job. Have worked in schools where the option was there to send them out and charge the kids but didn`t take that up myself.
I was also charged for my mocks to be corrected when I was in secondary school back in the early 90`s so it isn`t a new phenomenon at all.
Don`t agree with it though. Think it is lazy by those that do it. But then most businesses would have lazy people in them too so not just teaching there.
stewiegriffin
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27-Jan-2012 20:20
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Jesus lads, enough with the sweeping statements already about laziness.
It is the policy of our subject department in school to send away Mocks. Even if I wanted to correct them, I can`t.
Secondly, I`m already collecting and correcting one exam question per week from the exam students so I`m not sure the Mock would tell me a lot more than I already know about their potential. I`ve been assessing their abilities and weaknesses since week one back in September.
If I was told I had to correct them, that`s fine. However, having to correct them when the school down the road don`t is not right.
Hence my point about the need for a consistent approach, which is hard to get.
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