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Topic: Cody: Payment to managers would be "a disaster"
Kenny_Powers (51 Posts)	Posted: 03-Feb-2012 09:29	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Kenny_Powers (51 Posts)	from:examiner Brian Cody described the prospect of payments to managers as "a disaster", warning it would only serve to reopen the debate on professionalism amongst players. The Kilkenny boss is critical of suggestions managers or players should be rewarded financially for their efforts outside of expenses, arguing vehemently there is no sacrifice involved in playing for or managing your county. "No way should managers be paid at all," said Cody last night. "In the GAA? Absolutely not. It would be a disaster. "A few years ago we had big discussions about players being paid. The GPA tested the waters and it was looked upon as a massive threat to the association. The people who were hoping for it to happen realised and accept now that it just can’t happen. That it’s impossible to have professionalism in our association. It couldn’t be sustained. "For whatever reason now, and I don’t understand it, suddenly (the GAA’s director-general, Páraic Duffy is ) talking about paying managers as if this is the correct way to do the thing. If that were to happen, all that would happen is it would resurrect again the potential for players and everyone else being paid. Speaking during an RTÉ interview at the Dunamaise Arts Centre in Portlaoise, organised to help raise funds for Laois club Rosenallis, Cody continued. "I choose to do this. It’s not a sacrifice. It’s a choice I made. It’s not even remotely a sacrifice. It’s the same with players. I read often about the savage commitment and sacrifices inter-county players make. They feel sorry for them. "I don’t feel sorry for inter-county players. I envy inter-county players. Because I know in Kilkenny, they’re beating down the door to get into the dressing room. They would crawl to training if they thought they could get onto the county panel. "No way should we be paid." Cody acknowledged it was likely some managers were being paid but cannot see the logic in legitimising the practice. "I’ve yet to meet a man who has said to me ‘I’m cleaning up in this job’ or anything. But if some managers are getting paid, is the cure to pay all managers?" Meanwhile, Cody believes that the time is ripe for a change in the format of the hurling championships, with the provincial competitions being jettisoned for a round-robin league structure. "I would do that. The argument always is that the Munster championship is special. It’s always thrown out there. I’m not sure. "It’s scant reward for a team if you were beaten in the All-Ireland and won a Munster championship, or a Leinster. They won’t feel they’ve achieved. "I would change it because I think the whole backdoor system has diluted the interest in the provincial championships and the fact that if you lose it’s not the end of the world. "The time to do it is when things are going well. You can’t leave it go until the crowds are no longer coming. Go out there and change it, and make it exciting." "If Kilkenny were going down to play Cork in the first game of the championship, or Tipperary were going to play Wexford, or Laois to play Dublin, it would create an excitement, there’d be a newness about it."
Glinnti Glasa (2,183 Posts)	Posted: 03-Feb-2012 09:36	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Glinnti Glasa (2,183 Posts)	Cody is totally correct about payment to managers. I still love The Munster Championship. In Thurles. Nothing compares to it.
jimmymahon (1,699 Posts)	Posted: 03-Feb-2012 09:39	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
jimmymahon (1,699 Posts)	Thank God there are still some who believe in the voluntary nature of the GAA. To be fair Kilkenny GAA in general are leaders in that spirit. If they can manage without the mercenaries in Kilkenny then why not elsewhere?
Welger AP630 (2,507 Posts)	Posted: 03-Feb-2012 09:57	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Welger AP630 (2,507 Posts)	It might mean something if he was training a division two side but I don`t think his comment adds much to the debate.
jack spatter (182 Posts)	Posted: 03-Feb-2012 10:29	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
jack spatter (182 Posts)	kilkenny are truly blessed,they have what amounts to a full time manager,especially in the months that really matter.and shur february is a great old time of the year for talking \\e.
Open the Shoulders (439 Posts)	Posted: 03-Feb-2012 10:32	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Open the Shoulders (439 Posts)	Originally posted by Welger AP630: It might mean something if he was training a division two side but I don`t think his comment adds much to the debate. Please explain. Do you mean you should not get paid for managing a team if you are successfull but if you never achieve anything you should get a salary.I think you are confusing GAA managers with TDs there Welger.
cowpat (1,540 Posts)	Posted: 03-Feb-2012 12:49	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
cowpat (1,540 Posts)	Was the appraoch to training on a county panel always "prfessional". As in, down through the years did intercounty players have to really sacrifice a whole lot of their free time outside of work? A stupid thing to say but why not make all county teams cut back on the amount of time they put in training for the county, then "voluntary" wouldn`t be as bad to take...
Hitch (3,644 Posts)	Posted: 03-Feb-2012 13:13	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Hitch (3,644 Posts)	If lads like Brian Cody, Deckie Ryan, JBM et al ever look to be paid a salary for doing what they do, it`s the end of the GAA that we know and love!
robbied (256 Posts)	Posted: 03-Feb-2012 16:50	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
robbied (256 Posts)	Originally posted by Hitch: If lads like Brian Cody, Deckie Ryan, JBM et al ever look to be paid a salary for doing what they do, it`s the end of the GAA that we know and love! Good interview and the man is right on both counts. Munster championship is finished. Crowds arent getting out until August when the real business starts. There is very little buzz in the Munster champo anymore. Didnt do Tipp much good last year winning it, nor did losing in the first round of it do them any harm the year before
South Limerick Referee (16,613 Posts)	Posted: 03-Feb-2012 16:59	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
South Limerick Referee (16,613 Posts)	For a man thats not controversial, Cody is never afraid to express his views when he gets the chance. One staunch GPA supporter I know has never been shy about blaming Kilkenny saying that their views `ruin everything for everyone else`, and `the simplicity of their ways makes it harder for the expert trainers to make a few quid`. Dessie Farrell may not be impressed either. The circling the wagons will begin with the paying of officials, perhaps even maintaining the high presidents salary now that the precedent has been set. Nod Nod Wink Wink Mr President, we wont object to the salary if you scratch our backs. Then pay the managers, then the GPA will have their wish.
ollscoil (2,616 Posts)	Posted: 03-Feb-2012 17:10	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
ollscoil (2,616 Posts)	That`s not a post worth arguing with such is the level of paranoid nonsense. Kilkenny ruining for everyone else!!!! Is it April 1st?
South Limerick Referee (16,613 Posts)	Posted: 03-Feb-2012 17:16	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
South Limerick Referee (16,613 Posts)	Dont shoot the man delivering the message..... But there are people who think like that Originally posted by ollscoil: That`s not a post worth arguing with such is the level of paranoid nonsense. Kilkenny ruining for everyone else!!!! Is it April 1st?
ollscoil (2,616 Posts)	Posted: 03-Feb-2012 17:20	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
ollscoil (2,616 Posts)	You posted it SLR so it would appear you endorse that opinion.
Legalalien (1,681 Posts)	Posted: 03-Feb-2012 17:22	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Legalalien (1,681 Posts)	Well said Brian. Not only does he not take a penny from Kilkenny but any money he makes from appearances/book etc go straight to James Stephens, his club. He epitomises everything that is great about the GAA. Even when not on county duty he is likely to be up at under age matches in the Village or over in the park watching club matches. The amount of work he did at under age level over the years was unreal. And his family were steeped in the Village club. OK people argue that as a teacher he has plenty of time, yet he gives an awful lot of time back to Kilkenny without demanding a penny. I went to every Munster hurling final from 1976 until 1992. Then it mattered. Now it doesn`t. The man is and always will be a legend.
Blanco (7,909 Posts)	Posted: 03-Feb-2012 17:29	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Blanco (7,909 Posts)	Originally posted by South Limerick Referee: One staunch GPA supporter I know has never been shy about blaming Kilkenny saying that their views `ruin everything for everyone else`, and `the simplicity of their ways makes it harder for the expert trainers to make a few quid`. Dessie Farrell may not be impressed either. Something that is often overlooked was that Kilkenny players were among the most militant in the GPA when it got going , at one time DJ Carey and Eddie Brennan in particular were never out of the press giving their unequivocal support for the GPA , but yet they never seemed to draw the same amount of public criticism from those opposed to the GPA as players from other counties such as Cork and Dublin got. This message has been edited - 03-feb-2012 @ 17:30
Open the Shoulders (439 Posts)	Posted: 03-Feb-2012 17:30	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Open the Shoulders (439 Posts)	Originally posted by ollscoil: You posted it SLR so it would appear you endorse that opinion. He`s posting some rubbish on here lately ollscoil. Id say lads have a great laugh feeding him any old line and watching it appear on here.
South Limerick Referee (16,613 Posts)	Posted: 03-Feb-2012 17:38	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
South Limerick Referee (16,613 Posts)	No, I am a big fan of how Kilkenny prepare and have been to Nowlan Park on a number of occasions to watch them. Cody is 100% correct in my opinion, except for the Munster Championship Originally posted by ollscoil: You posted it SLR so it would appear you endorse that opinion. This message has been edited - 03-feb-2012 @ 17:39
ollscoil (2,616 Posts)	Posted: 03-Feb-2012 17:53	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
ollscoil (2,616 Posts)	The preparation of Kilkenny is entirely over hyped as their success has, largely, been down to having a significantly better team than their opposition. But Cody is 100% right about the Munster championship, one of the most over hyped sports competitions in the world with a large group of people who continue to delude themselves about its `magic`. I would argue that hurling`s relatively small playing base is, if not due to the Munster championship, being maintained by it.
South Limerick Referee (16,613 Posts)	Posted: 03-Feb-2012 17:58	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
South Limerick Referee (16,613 Posts)	The Munster Championship is something that works and I think if Leinster becomes more competitive, it would take some of the heat off the calls to end the Munster Championship. Originally posted by ollscoil: The preparation of Kilkenny is entirely over hyped as their success has, largely, been down to having a significantly better team than their opposition. But Cody is 100% right about the Munster championship, one of the most over hyped sports competitions in the world with a large group of people who continue to delude themselves about its `magic`. I would argue that hurling`s relatively small playing base is, if not due to the Munster championship, being maintained by it.
ollscoil (2,616 Posts)	Posted: 03-Feb-2012 18:06	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
ollscoil (2,616 Posts)	How does it work? There is less and less interest in the games from the competing counties and the growing suspicion that counties with a realistic chance of winning the All Ireland may be pacing themselves for a late run. One of the problems in spreading hurling is that folks in Mayo, Tyrone or Louth may sit down and watch big games but they can`t really relate to the teams involved. The same way we, in Munster, will sit down and watch Tyrone and Armagh battle it out in the Ulster football championship without fully grasping the importance to the competing counties. People in Louth will probably have more real interest in a Dublin/Tipp clash than any Munster final as many will know a few Dubs or have lived there so there is some kind of connection. The provincial championships are one of the main reasons the general public only get to see Kilkenny play once or twice a year. How is that promoting hurling??
hurling fan (758 Posts)	Posted: 03-Feb-2012 18:21	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
hurling fan (758 Posts)	Originally posted by ollscoil: The preparation of Kilkenny is entirely over hyped as their success has, largely, been down to having a significantly better team than their opposition. But Cody is 100% right about the Munster championship, one of the most over hyped sports competitions in the world with a large group of people who continue to delude themselves about its `magic`. I would argue that hurling`s relatively small playing base is, if not due to the Munster championship, being maintained by it. You are on to something here when you say - a large group of people who continue to delude themselves about its `magic` . How many excellent games have we witnessed in the Munster Championship at minor, U21 and Senior - only for the teams o be found out when they meet outside opposition e.g. U21 in 2011. Regarding payments to managers- whether some are currently being paid or not - large amounts of money are being paid in travelling expenses. No County should be allowed to appoint a manager that requires him to travel more than 40/50km. In the current climate it`s ridiculous to pay such huge amounts in travelling expenses to compensate managers travelling from one side of the Country to another.
ollscoil (2,616 Posts)	Posted: 03-Feb-2012 18:30	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
ollscoil (2,616 Posts)	It has been a good while since we`ve seen an excellent game at senior level. I`m always amazed when I`m listening to the Sunday game telling me a Munster championship game is great when it clearly isn`t. It would appear that any game that isn`t absolutely brutal has a good chance of being labeled good to great if it`s a Munster championship game.
spade caller (3,554 Posts)	Posted: 03-Feb-2012 19:17	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
spade caller (3,554 Posts)	Originally posted by ollscoil: It has been a good while since we`ve seen an excellent game at senior level. I`m always amazed when I`m listening to the Sunday game telling me a Munster championship game is great when it clearly isn`t. It would appear that any game that isn`t absolutely brutal has a good chance of being labeled good to great if it`s a Munster championship game. Spot on. A perfect example is the trilogy between Tipp and Limerick in 07. Labelled as "epic" and a "saga". They were error-strewn games between two very average teams. Limerick caught a fatigued Waterford on the hop and found themselves in an AI final where Kilkenny murdered them without breaking sweat.
Dead dog society (82 Posts)	Posted: 03-Feb-2012 19:37	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Dead dog society (82 Posts)	The blatant jealousy from Leinster lads in this thread is heartening. Long may it last. You`ll never get rid of the Munster Championship. NEVER!
Blanco (7,909 Posts)	Posted: 03-Feb-2012 20:07	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Blanco (7,909 Posts)	I would be a huge Munster championship fan down through the years , easily some of my best memories at Hurling matches would be Munster championship matches, at its best the atmosphere generated cannot be beaten, but it has been a while now since it was at it`s best health. And i think it is time the GAA started looking at another structure for the Hurling championship , it is outdated in its present form in these times of back doors. I really would like to see them put plans together for a trail structure for a new championship without Provencal restraints for a couple of years and if it didn`t work we can always revert back.

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