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Is balance of power shifting in Munster Hurling?
carryharry
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Is there now a shift in power in Munster developing yet again?
Although Tipperary have competed in the last 3 All Ireland finals and are priced @ 10/11 to win Munster this year are they still the powerhouse of Munster Hurling?
Clare and Cork look very likely to strongly dispute this idea after both sprinting out of the traps in the league this weekend. Cork steamrolled Waterford at Pairc Ui Rinn with a performance to make quite a few stand and take notice. Although beaten by Limerick last year in the U21 final they seem to have more in the locker than the treaty men. The addition of JBM too makes their current odds of 3/1 for Munster an appealing investment, esp when the home semi final is taken into account.
Clare impressed also with a fine victory over Limerick Saturday night, they over ran Limerick all over the field and look to be as fit as any unit around. Davy Fitz knows how to win Munster titles as proven with Waterford and Clare`s recent run at Minor and U21 grades cannot be ignored. They played a completely different team Saturday night to that which beat Limerick in the WC Cup yet ran out 14 point winners still. If they overcome Waterford in the first round then a Munster final against Limerick/Cork/Tipperary is not a game they will fear. And @ 6/1 they may be the bet of the championship imo.
Okay you may say it is only February but look at Kilkenny yesterday, they set the bar pretty high so early in the year. Maybe results at this stage of the year merit serious consideration or maybe not. But either way the chances of a Cork v Clare Munster already look more than realistic. And if that happens then the balance of power surely looks to be changing.
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Hitch
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27-Feb-2012 10:52
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Originally posted by carryharry:
Is there now a shift in power in Munster developing yet again?
Although Tipperary have competed in the last 3 All Ireland finals and are priced @ 10/11 to win Munster this year are they still the powerhouse of Munster Hurling?
Clare and Cork look very likely to strongly dispute this idea after both sprinting out of the traps in the league this weekend. Cork steamrolled Waterford at Pairc Ui Rinn with a performance to make quite a few stand and take notice. Although beaten by Limerick last year in the U21 final they seem to have more in the locker than the treaty men. The addition of JBM too makes their current odds of 3/1 for Munster an appealing investment, esp when the home semi final is taken into account.
Clare impressed also with a fine victory over Limerick Saturday night, they over ran Limerick all over the field and look to be as fit as any unit around. Davy Fitz knows how to win Munster titles as proven with Waterford and Clare`s recent run at Minor and U21 grades cannot be ignored. They played a completely different team Saturday night to that which beat Limerick in the WC Cup yet ran out 14 point winners still. If they overcome Waterford in the first round then a Munster final against Limerick/Cork/Tipperary is not a game they will fear. And @ 6/1 they may be the bet of the championship imo.
Okay you may say it is only February but look at Kilkenny yesterday, they set the bar pretty high so early in the year. Maybe results at this stage of the year merit serious consideration or maybe not. But either way the chances of a Cork v Clare Munster already look more than realistic. And if that happens then the balance of power surely looks to be changing.
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We kind of go through this every year, Harry.
The NHL in the Spring is a world away from the Championship in the Summer.
There`s a lot of hurling to be played between now and September!
sam
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27-Feb-2012 10:56
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Even in terms of the league the first round is notoriously hard to predict what will happen, lets see who is motoring by the end of the league, althou after round one we`re already a 5th of the way through!
carryharry
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27-Feb-2012 10:58
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Originally posted by carryharry:
Is balance of power shifting in Munster Hurling?
I agree Hitch, but i can`t help but think there is a change a coming.
Munster has being pretty much a 2 horse race recently with Tipp and Waterford to the fore. But Clare and Cork seem to have favourable draws this year and the momentum of 2 very charismatic coaches. Whether Limerick and Waterford can turn around their fortunes is questionable as they have lost 2 very influential managers.
Interesting times ahead.
N16
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27-Feb-2012 11:05
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As a Clare man I was very impressed with what I saw in Limerick Saturday night, it did me the power of good. 15 committed, determined, hungry, fit lads that gave their all and got their just rewards. It`s a step in the right direction but there`s a very long road ahead. I still think it will be 2 years before we reach hurlings top table , basically when the lads who are just out of minor (Tony Kelly, Colm Galvin, Stephen O`Halloran, Seadna Morey, Jack Browne, Aaron Cunningham, Daire Keane etc ) are all 20/21 years of age and the current bunch are really in their prime that we will have the makings of a great Clare team. Nothing is for granted of course but Saturday night was a long awaited tonic and hopefully we can build on that. Davy definately has us going in the right direction - all credit to Sparrow for what he did in bringing in the young lads and throwing them into the deep end 2 years ago, they`re now established hurlers and it showed Saturday night. My father was talking to Ger Loughnane roughly a year ago and Loughnane said to him at the time that the only man to bring Clare forward and that was tactically astute enopugh for that level was Davy Fitz. Its going well at the moment and hopefully he can bring it on, very encouraging signs though. A lot of people were saying Saturday night and yesterday in Fogarty`s that they could burn themselves out. Well the aim this year has to be getting out of division 1B and getting to a Munster Final. The way the league is set up, every game is important - Limerick will now struggle to get to the division 1 final and will have to beat Offaly (and assume they dont lsoe any more games ) . We have 1 big day in Munster against Waterford and the main aim has to be winning that game and into a Munster Final and take everything after that as a bonus. All that is going to come within roughly 3 months so its right that they hit the ground running and are all guns blazing now. I dont know what happened Limerick saturday night but they ahd to answer to the pace and running and work rate of the Clare team. Where are they going to find that level of aggression and fitness in the next few weeks? And they`ll have to find it in the next few weeks or they can forget about a league final appearance.
Didnt see the Cork game so cant really comment on that. Not so sure about how good Waterford are - have a feeling that Davy had them punching above their weight in recent years. I suppose we`ll know more when we go to Thurles in June.
As for Tipperary, no doubting the pool of talent thats there but I get the impression that the camp isnt that happy. They didnt look hungry in last years All Ireland Final either. The 2 years before they were like lions let out of a cage into a field of cattle.
carryharry
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27-Feb-2012 11:15
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Originally posted by carryharry:
Is balance of power shifting in Munster Hurling?
I was chatting to a friend from Limerick last night and he was highly impressed with Clare.
When i told him Clare were 6/1 to win Munster, he replied that he could do worse things with €20 and i agreed with him.
If they beat Waterford then they have a right chance of winning a Munster final imo.
I`l be an interested spectator in Sixmilebridge next weekend.
An fear glas agus dubh
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27-Feb-2012 11:27
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Jesus, one victory over a weak Limerick team and the Clare lads are losing the run of themselves!
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27-Feb-2012 11:31
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Were the Clare boys driving around Limerick on Saturday night with horns beeping and fellas hanging out the windows roaring and shouting?They used have great crack doing that in the `90`s.
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Steady on there. Encouraging start but as other posters pointed out, hard to read anything into league meeting in February.
From what Waterford posters are saying, things ain`t 100% in their camp, they had a fair few injuries, etc and that allied to fact that it was JBM`s first real game in charge means that noone in Cork will be getting carried away.
KK at home and Tipp away in latter stages of league will be more revealing tests of where we stand.
Fairly short league campaign and likes of Cian Mac, Cadogen and Niall Mac will have to be given their chances too, as well as some others on the squad - Cahalane, Corry, O` Farrell etc- who would hope to have a decent chance of making the starting 15 come c`ship time.
notrealdan
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27-Feb-2012 11:35
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Paddy Power still thinks they`re sh1te, he has them behind
Tipp,Cork & Waterford for the Munster title.
ProjX
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27-Feb-2012 11:36
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Clare for Liam 2012
Its a certainty
carryharry
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Originally posted by notrealdan:
Paddy Power still thinks they`re sh1te, he has them behind
Tipp,Cork & Waterford for the Munster title.
Paddy Power is not a real good judge of anything GAA related considering KK could be got @ 8/13 yesterday.
As pointed out on another thread, that was free money.
N16
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Originally posted by An fear glas agus dubh: Jesus, one victory over a weak Limerick team and the Clare lads are losing the run of themselves!
A weak Limerick team? That was the best set of players ye have in the county barring the injured Hannon who`s only 19. We were missing Paddy Vaughan and Darach Honan so that evens it up.
No one is getting carried away.
parmenion
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27-Feb-2012 11:43
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Originally posted by carryharry:
Is balance of power shifting in Munster Hurling?
If my money was going on any team for munster it would be Cork. They will go through walls for JBM. Clare will probably be their opponents in the final
notrealdan
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27-Feb-2012 11:53
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Originally posted by carryharry:
Paddy Power is not a real good judge of anything GAA related considering KK could be got @ 8/13 yesterday.
As pointed out on another thread, that was free money.
Did you put on €1300 to win €800 ?
An fear glas agus dubh
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Originally posted by N16:
A weak Limerick team? That was the best set of players ye have in the county barring the injured Hannon who`s only 19. We were missing Paddy Vaughan and Darach Honan so that evens it up.
No one is getting carried away.
Hannon missing through Injury and what difference does it make that he is only 19. Our best hurler on Saturday night Shane Dowling is 19 and Hannon was exceptional in the 2 games in the waterford crystal against ye. The lad is one of our best hurlers. Gavin O Mahony clearly not right either had to go off injured at half time, James Ryan who was playing very well had to go off Injured in the 1st half, Seamus Hickey not available either. For God sake ES our half back line for the second half was Paudie O Brien, Wayne Mac and Paul Browne hardly full strength. I was impressed with Clare but Limerick will be a different animal once everyone is fit and playing in the correct positions.
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Originally posted by An fear glas agus dubh:
Jesus, one victory over a weak Limerick team and the Clare lads are losing the run of themselves!
That`s a laughable comment. We have turned a corner in Clare but that`s it. It`s based on our recent performances and the attitude of our players. No Clare person has posted on this site saying we would win the league, Munster or the All Ireland in 2012. All Clare posters agree that we are on the up. Limerick posters seem to be seeking excuses ie Allen`s to blame, fitness trainers is wrong and missing a host of players. There is nothing wrong with us being positive or optimistic. We are looking for continued improvements and a good account of ourselves. I don`t thing we fielded our championship team on Saturday night and we have a few more lads to come into the fray. We do want to see Limerick on the up also. Hurling needs Limerick too.
N16
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Originally posted by An fear glas agus dubh: Hannon missing through Injury and what difference does it make that he is only 19. Our best hurler on Saturday night Shane Dowling is 19 and Hannon was exceptional in the 2 games in the waterford crystal against ye. The lad is one of our best hurlers. Gavin O Mahony clearly not right either had to go off injured at half time, James Ryan who was playing very well had to go off Injured in the 1st half, Seamus Hickey not available either. For God sake ES our half back line for the second half was Paudie O Brien, Wayne Mac and Paul Browne hardly full strength. I was impressed with Clare but Limerick will be a different animal once everyone is fit and playing in the correct positions.
Yeah, Paul Browne was going well until he went off but I dont think it would have made any great difference who ye had out the way our lads started hurling.
Limerick seemed a lot fitter this time last year when ye beat us inside in Ennis. I would worry that ye were so far off the mark saturday night - how much work has to be done to get ye in shape and what will the cost be? Ye could end up losing another match in the league of the training is overdone and risk missing out in a tilt at the league final. Yet the work has to be put in somewhere.
I know its early days but there`s only 3 months to championship, the league will be over in 6 weeks. It seems ye are a bit like a lad who has the leaving cert coming but has nothing done and there`s only a month left.
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Originally posted by notrealdan:
Did you put on €1300 to win €800 ?
I did not Dan, i would never back against Tipp.
But a good few must have taken the odds as KK were backed into 1/2 on.
An fear glas agus dubh
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Originally posted by Time!!!:
That`s a laughable comment. We have turned a corner in Clare but that`s it. It`s based on our recent performances and the attitude of our players. No Clare person has posted on this site saying we would win the league, Munster or the All Ireland in 2012. All Clare posters agree that we are on the up. Limerick posters seem to be seeking excuses ie Allen`s to blame, fitness trainers is wrong and missing a host of players. There is nothing wrong with us being positive or optimistic. We are looking for continued improvements and a good account of ourselves. I don`t thing we fielded our championship team on Saturday night and we have a few more lads to come into the fray. We do want to see Limerick on the up also. Hurling needs Limerick too.
Christ Clare lads are taking pity on us! We were bad on Saturday night but I dont know if we were that bad!
Some Clare posters here are going on about an shift in Munster hurling and backing Clare to win Munster at 6/1. Im all for postivity and like I said i was impressed with Clare on Saturday but settle down a bit lads!
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Originally posted by An fear glas agus dubh:
Christ Clare lads are taking pity on us! We were bad on Saturday night but I dont know if we were that bad!
Some Clare posters here are going on about an shift in Munster hurling and backing Clare to win Munster at 6/1. Im all for postivity and like I said i was impressed with Clare on Saturday but settle down a bit lads!
Check back over the posts. I think you`ll find it was a Tipp poster spoke of the shift and backing Clare at 6/1. Any comments from Clare posters were more moderate than that.
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Originally posted by An fear glas agus dubh: Christ Clare lads are taking pity on us! We were bad on Saturday night but I dont know if we were that bad! Some Clare posters here are going on about an shift in Munster hurling and backing Clare to win Munster at 6/1. Im all for postivity and like I said i was impressed with Clare on Saturday but settle down a bit lads!
I for one wont be running out and putting any money on us just yet. Getting to a Munster Final and getting out of 1B would be considered a successful year for us and take everything after that as a bonus. And that is the consensus of everyone I have spoken to Saturday night and yesterday at home.
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Originally posted by N16:
Yeah, Paul Browne was going well until he went off but I dont think it would have made any great difference who ye had out the way our lads started hurling.
Limerick seemed a lot fitter this time last year when ye beat us inside in Ennis. I would worry that ye were so far off the mark saturday night - how much work has to be done to get ye in shape and what will the cost be? Ye could end up losing another match in the league of the training is overdone and risk missing out in a tilt at the league final. Yet the work has to be put in somewhere.
I know its early days but there`s only 3 months to championship, the league will be over in 6 weeks. It seems ye are a bit like a lad who has the leaving cert coming but has nothing done and there`s only a month left.
I agree entirely ES, which is why Im saying ye shouldn’t look into Saturday night too much. Of course be happy with the performance and all but try keep a lid on things. As for Limerick I agree with a lot of what you are saying, Don’t look anywhere near as fit as last year and we seemed to have abandoned the O Grady short passing style and gone back to hurling with no plan. Whether you liked or loathed the short passing game at least we hurled to a plan. All John Allen needed to do was thinker with what O Grady had establish not radically alter it. Some of his decisions were baffling aswell. Take our own Club man Donal O Grady, I have seen him hurl better but Christ he takes him off with 15 to go after he scored a point over by the sideline, his second of the game. There were 5 or 6 worse players than dodge
N16
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Thought yer touch was dire at times as well - especially in the second half. The amou8nt of times balls were under hit or hit over the sideline or just given straight to one of our lads was astounding. It was as if they had no training done at all, yet they are at it 2 months.
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From a Clare point of view someone saying that its only the league in February is completely irrelevant.
Its a lazy argument to say the least.
After the indifference and inconsistency the team has gone through over the last 10 years, its important that we get back in a winning habit and important that we win the big games. A good league run and the chance to play more regulalry against the tipps and kks is hugely important to our team`s development. For that reason Saturday`s game was a big game for Clare.
Limerick werent at the races at all and maybe their approach wasnt right. Perhaps John Allen is happy to have everything geared for championship and that alone.
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