Originally posted by Blanco:
Enda Kenny has annouced that the attorney generals advice is that Ireland needs a referendum to agree to the treaty.

What are the chances of it been defeated? what are the consequences for us if it is?

How many chances will we get to pass it?

Originally posted by nev:
would fear the treaty will fail as people punish the political system in general. cut off your nose to spite your face, chaos ahoy.
hard to stomach all the little irelander stuff that will now spew forth, not to mind some of the more reactionary irish `left` coming out against it.
argggggggh

Originally posted by Deise Vu:


The left coming out `agin` is laughable. At the moment we are borrowing about €20Bn to keep shovelling money into the bottomless pit of Health, Education and Social Welfare and, of course the banks.

If we thumb our noses at the notion that we might impose a bit of fiscal rectitude on ourselves in return for that €20Bn there are a couple of things certain. We won`t have to put any more money into the banks because they won`t exist anymore. At the first hint of a negative poll, never mind the real one, money will disappear from our banks faster than pints at a FF think tank. It will obviously not be replaced by cheap ECB money i nthe circumstances.

As we will become an economic experiment in running a country without a bank it is unlikely that anyone will lend to us until the experiment runs it`s potentially catastrophic course. The simple conclusion therefore is we will immediately have to balance our budget with all that will entail for the beneficiaries of the Health, Education and Welfare budgets. If you want to see real austerity, vote no.

Right wingers must be rubbing their hands with glee on this one, and to think the left are going to do the running for them.

This message has been edited - 28-feb-2012 @ 18:24

Originally posted by Larkin:
I have previously said that I care not what this treaty says or what spin they put on it. I have been lied to enough by this government and their puppet masters in Germany and France. I will most certainly be voting NO.

Originally posted by Larkin:
I have previously said that I care not what this treaty says or what spin they put on it. I have been lied to enough by this government and their puppet masters in Germany and France. I will most certainly be voting NO.

Originally posted by Larkin:
I have previously said that I care not what this treaty says or what spin they put on it. I have been lied to enough by this government and their puppet masters in Germany and France. I will most certainly be voting NO.

Originally posted by Stamp101:
Anyone remember "yes to lisbon yes to jobs"

Originally posted by dubliner 2:
I have voted no in every single referendum on Europe that I have had a vote in, including both Lisbons.

But we cannot vote no anymore. The time for that has passed and people like me who feared that what has happened would happen were not listened to and now it`s too late.

Anyone who thinks a No vote is a good idea would want to take a long hard look at Greece over the last couple of years. We cannot survive outside the EU and that`s exactly where we would end up. The amount of money that would flee the jurisdiction after a No vote    (indeed some of it might well be going as we speak   )    will kill us stone dead.

End of story.

This message has been edited - 28-feb-2012 @ 20:56

Originally posted by loughcurraman:


Another thing you could add is that a fair number of the American multinationals could well pull out since one of the often stated reasons for being here is that Ireland is a gateway to the European markets. If we become semi detached from Europe we might not be much of a gateway anymore.

This message has been edited - 28-feb-2012 @ 21:46

Originally posted by Welger AP630:


It does not matter how we vote, we cannot hold up this one, it only needs 11 countries to ratify it for it to go ahead

This message has been edited - 28-feb-2012 @ 22:21

Originally posted by Blanco:
We are going to have a Referendum on EU Fiscal Treaty

Originally posted by loughcurraman:


Another thing you could add is that a fair number of the American multinationals could well pull out since one of the often stated reasons for being here is that Ireland is a gateway to the European markets. If we become semi detached from Europe we might not be much of a gateway anymore.

Originally posted by Ozzy:


It`s far too simplistic to say that a no vote will "kill us stone dead" and then say that`s the end of the story.
As far as I know Greece has not left the EU, I don`t see how the example of Greece helps your argument at all. Iceland is not in the EU but it has half Greece`s unemployment rate despite the crisis it has endured. Of course I`m not saying that a no vote will mean Ireland will have the same experience as Iceland but I don`t see how the experience of Greece is an argument for anyone in Ireland voting yes in the upcoming referendum.