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Topic: Galway V Waterford NHL 2012
gaillimh73
(118 Posts)
Posted: 19-Mar-2012 16:16
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The Decies are up next. They haven`t been going well but talking to a Decie head mid-week this is a game they have been targeting. This is my effort for Sunday based on all players now available. I think Joe may be back for this one.
1. James Skehill
2. Declan Connolly
3. David Collins
4. Ger O` Halloran
5. Johnny Coen
6. Fergal Moore
7. Niall Donoghue
8. David Burke
9. Andy Smith
10. Conor Cooney
11. Niall Burke
12. Joe Canning
13. James Regan
14. Damien Hayes
15. Bernard Burke

Others with a chance of making it on to 15 Glennon and Joseph Cooney.

Gaillimh Abu!



rebelrebel30
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Posted: 19-Mar-2012 17:00
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Originally posted by gaillimh73:
The Decies are up next. They haven`t been going well but talking to a Decie head mid-week this is a game they have been targeting. This is my effort for Sunday based on all players now available. I think Joe may be back for this one.
1. James Skehill
2. Declan Connolly
3. David Collins
4. Ger O` Halloran
5. Johnny Coen
6. Fergal Moore
7. Niall Donoghue
8. David Burke
9. Andy Smith
10. Conor Cooney
11. Niall Burke
12. Joe Canning
13. James Regan
14. Damien Hayes
15. Bernard Burke

Others with a chance of making it on to 15 Glennon and Joseph Cooney.

Gaillimh Abu!




Gallimh just outta curiosity why do you think the Deise are targeting this match against Galway?..were they targeting it from the seasons start or now obviously as they have lost their opening 3 matches?.
labane1917
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Posted: 19-Mar-2012 17:13
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Big game for both teams and one that highlights the value of the new NHL format. Waterford I imagine will be desperate to avoid relegation and Galway keen to put last year`s debacle behind them and also stay in contention for a semi-final spot. Has all the makings of a right good battle.
lovelypoint
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Posted: 19-Mar-2012 17:14
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Not really sure what targetting this match would achieve. As things stand, even if Waterford were to beat Galway and Dublin, with Galway losing their last game of the season, it would still mean a relegation play-off between Waterford and Dublin due to goal difference.

So, as a Waterfordman myself, would prefer to see the Galway game used for giving younger lads a run, and then target the relegation play-off with Dublin to win at all costs, and maybe the final league game against Dublin before that also, if it means that fixture will determine home advantage for the relegation final.

Not sure how my other county men regard next weekends game against you, but to me there is nothing to be gained from winning this fixture, from what I can see, from a Waterford perspective.
gaillimh73
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Posted: 19-Mar-2012 17:16
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By all accounts, from seasons starts. They always fancy their chances against us and to be fair, they have every right, seen as they have the measure of us more often than not. However with us going well, Waterford not so well and the game in Pearse, it would be a big ask for them. In saying that, I believe Mullane is back, that will strengthen them.
Keanes Road
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Posted: 19-Mar-2012 17:55
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We generally get turned over in Pearce Stadium even when things are going well for us.
Right now with the way things are anything other than a Galway win and a resounding one at that would be a surprise.
The team is playing with zero confidence and their fitness levels are very poor. Interesting to here Ryan come out and say as much but in all honesty how could he have not seen it and done something about it before now. March is practically over after the Galway game and we are still arseing around half fit and poorly prepared. Thats obvious since the UCC game in the crystal cup. Fair enough we are short a few but who aren`t for the league. 26 points from play conceeded yesterday and that has been coming.

I would take a win of any description from anybody right now just to arrest the slide and put some confidence back in the team. However after 3 hammerings so far in the league thats unlikely even with Mullane coming back to help out the forwards. Our problems go much deeper than that.
labane1917
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Posted: 19-Mar-2012 17:57
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What`s the criteria for deciding between teams if they are level on points? I thought it was the head to head fixture but a post above suggest goal difference which seems an odd way of separating teams in hurling. Surely head to head result is the fairest?
seoulofgaa
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Posted: 19-Mar-2012 18:00
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With two inter-provincial games under their belt, as well as the league games they have played, the Galway panel may suffer from fatigue and due to this reason, is why Canning should feature for this game either as a sub or from the start. He would then be on the starting 15 against Kilkenny the following week. Although gaillimh73 I think I would have him in his more familiar position of 14, with the man of the match against Cork Niall Burke at 11 and taking the free`s which he has done brilliantly over the 3 league games. With Burke performing well at 11, it would I hope put less emphasis on Joe C to drop  back to half or even mid-field where he would be waisted imo.
lovelypoint
(626 Posts)
Posted: 19-Mar-2012 19:11
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Originally posted by labane1917:
What`s the criteria for deciding between teams if they are level on points? I thought it was the head to head fixture but a post above suggest goal difference which seems an odd way of separating teams in hurling. Surely head to head result is the fairest?

Well, as the person who raised the points difference thing, I am equally keen to figure out if it is points difference or the head to head which is the deciding factor. I agree, the head to head is the fairest method to decide these things, and if it is the deciding factor, then it means there is something to play for next weekend.
labane1917
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Posted: 19-Mar-2012 19:51
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Originally posted by lovelypoint:


Well, as the person who raised the points difference thing, I am equally keen to figure out if it is points difference or the head to head which is the deciding factor. I agree, the head to head is the fairest method to decide these things, and if it is the deciding factor, then it means there is something to play for next weekend.

Have given up trying to find anything on this online, GAA site has nothing or at least I could find nothing. I am sure all will be revealed in due course i.e. after the last matches are played and all hell is breaking out.
juniorb
(235 Posts)
Posted: 19-Mar-2012 20:06
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Originally posted by lovelypoint:
Not really sure what targetting this match would achieve. As things stand, even if Waterford were to beat Galway and Dublin, with Galway losing their last game of the season, it would still mean a relegation play-off between Waterford and Dublin due to goal difference.

So, as a Waterfordman myself, would prefer to see the Galway game used for giving younger lads a run, and then target the relegation play-off with Dublin to win at all costs, and maybe the final league game against Dublin before that also, if it means that fixture will determine home advantage for the relegation final.

Not sure how my other county men regard next weekends game against you, but to me there is nothing to be gained from winning this fixture, from what I can see, from a Waterford perspective.

getting away from the league match for a second lovelypoint whats gone wrong for ye this year? is it the manager? or is it that some of the lads themselves have no interest in the league for what ever reason ( always got the impression that some of the waterford team could be hard work to deal with from a management point of view ) 
Not Men But Giants
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Posted: 19-Mar-2012 20:07
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Any run for Barry Daly? He was very impressive last year and would rate him above David Burke who is just a loose ball hurler in my opinion. Nice to see Bernard Burke getting a run, was an outstanding minor. Himself and Tipp`s John O`Neill are very similar
lovelypoint
(626 Posts)
Posted: 19-Mar-2012 20:40
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Originally posted by labane1917:


Have given up trying to find anything on this online, GAA site has nothing or at least I could find nothing. I am sure all will be revealed in due course i.e. after the last matches are played and all hell is breaking out.

Yes, fear that too. Have tried to search online, but to no avail, alas
blueblaa
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Posted: 19-Mar-2012 20:49
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Originally posted by lovelypoint:
Not really sure what targetting this match would achieve. As things stand, even if Waterford were to beat Galway and Dublin, with Galway losing their last game of the season, it would still mean a relegation play-off between Waterford and Dublin due to goal difference.

So, as a Waterfordman myself, would prefer to see the Galway game used for giving younger lads a run, and then target the relegation play-off with Dublin to win at all costs, and maybe the final league game against Dublin before that also, if it means that fixture will determine home advantage for the relegation final.

Not sure how my other county men regard next weekends game against you, but to me there is nothing to be gained from winning this fixture, from what I can see, from a Waterford perspective.

I`d take the opposing view that there is everything to be gained in winning on Sunday - team badly needs some confidence and something to start a bit of momentum.

The management have to take a good look at themselves but so too do a good number of the team. Forget about fitness for a second but there was an abysmal lack of effort on the part of some last weekend.
lovelypoint
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Posted: 19-Mar-2012 20:58
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Originally posted by juniorb:

getting away from the league match for a second lovelypoint whats gone wrong for ye this year? is it the manager? or is it that some of the lads themselves have no interest in the league for what ever reason  ( always got the impression that some of the waterford team could be hard work to deal with from a management point of view  )  

In my opinion, we have simply failed to adapt to the reduced league division, with most games being do or die affairs. Waterford never really seem to prioritise the league  (`07 aside, perhaps ) , and have counted on targetting two wins or so in previous years, to avoid relegation.

This year, we are simply way off the pace, really only starting to show any sort of cohesion in the last game against Tipp, result and intensity aside, obviously. This attitude has gotten us where we are now, ie. 0 points from 3 games, and very much unfit and off the pace.

Some may make excuses about injuries, but I do not stand for that, as a blanket excuse. Every team is missing players, and there has simply been no form or shape to the `depleted` teams we`ve put out. Closer to the mark, I think, is that management are new and have been slow to identify their best team, and while there has been experimentation, there has also been a tendency to stick with some players past it, while denying some of our more promising players a chance. Ally this to reports that training has been underwhelming and not of the the intensity required, and I think our present predicament is not a huge surprise, alas.
Deise go deo
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Posted: 19-Mar-2012 21:20
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Really hard to see anything other than a fairly comprehensive win for Galway next Sunday. I havent seen anything over the past few weeks to suggest otherwise. We could see the heavy defeats to Cork, KK and Tipp coming and another one beckons this Sunday unless there is a drastic and sudden improvement in Waterford`s game. It was strange to hear Ryan talking after last Sunday`s game about how unfit and lacking in sharpness that Waterford looked, he seemed surprised about it.

Mullane back training tomorrow night and Kelly will be back soon. Seems Connors has a bad injury but Paudie Mahony will hopefully return soon, not sure when Kearney is back but we really need all these players back and going well if we are turn this season around in the coming months.

Galway should win on Sunday and then it will likely be a relegation battle between Waterford and Dublin after that. The Dubs have been unlucky in recent weeks and look in better shape than Waterford at present so its not looking too good.
Deiseallstar
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Posted: 19-Mar-2012 21:27
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Galway motoring along nicely and playing lovely hurling and they should on all form be to strong for waterford at this stage of the campaign, agree we have a battle on our hands to avoid the drop  down a division and even at that i would not see it as the end of the world at all.
It is a very competitive league structure this year and one of 6 fine teams will find themselves going down that was always the situation and while i am not throwing in the towel at all, we have it all to do but we wont be alone it will be a play off with another fine team and its all to play for yet
I am quite certain that we are a lot better than recent displays suggest, the reality we played very well against cork for the second half winning it by 2 points, we played fair enough for the first 35 mins against kk who won the half by 1 point and we bagged 2-15 against tipp who could not manage a goal against us all this when we are missing at least 6/7 of the team that most probally will be on duty come Munster Champonship time we have a few distractors down this way, fair day supporters love you today, hate you to morrow want to give no one a chance.
As far as i am concerned our hurlers have given us at least 12/13 great seasons entertainment sunday after sunday and few counties outside of KK have been be as consistient, fair enough maybe not winning a lot but playing at the highest level and holding a top 3/4 place.
I dont think for a minute that we can be dismissed just yet maybe down but not out.
Blanco
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Posted: 20-Mar-2012 13:31
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Originally posted by blueblaa:


I`d take the opposing view that there is everything to be gained in winning on Sunday - team badly needs some confidence and something to start a bit of momentum.

The management have to take a good look at themselves but so too do a good number of the team. Forget about fitness for a second but there was an abysmal lack of effort on the part of some last weekend.

If fitness is an issue and it seems it is then Waterford are in a real dilemma , it`s not something that can be sorted in a week or two. The heavy work should be done by now.

It would be a very brave call by the management to concentrate now on getting the fitness right therefore going in to the next two games with very heavy legs and therefore more or less conceding those games but aiming to have it right for relegation playoff and therefore in with a chance of saving the league campaign from total disaster.


N16
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Posted: 20-Mar-2012 13:50
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Agree with blanco - fitness is not something that can be tackled overnight and management would surely have to look at themselves and ask why they are so far off the pace. Its a bit late now to try and sort that out. Relegation from 1A wont don them any favours in the long run either and thats what they are facing. In previous years it was very easy for teams to coast along through the league and avoid relegation but not any more. What would a league white-wash do for morale?
Uisce Fort
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Posted: 20-Mar-2012 14:13
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Galway should win this with a few to spare but I’ll be happy if we can at least make them work and keep them honest for 70mins. It will be something to build on for the crunch final games against Dublin. With the news of Kelly and Mullane back, hopefully it will boost the squad and give everyone a lift. If there’s ever a time Kelly will want to prove a point and prove Ryan wrong for drop ping him, it’ll be now so here’s his chance.
Would like to see Power get a chance on goal, if not then at least keep SO’K as he didn’t do much wrong v Tipp. Would like to see Darragh Fives push up to wing back and hope Ringo is fit to play corner back. Brick back to CB to leave Moran and SOS midfield.
Kelly, Maurice and Paudric HF line and then Mullane, Shane Walsh and one of Gavin O’Brien/Martin O’Neill FF line, think that’s the strongest team we can put out.
bluelim
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Posted: 20-Mar-2012 14:51
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Originally posted by Uisce Fort:
Galway should win this with a few to spare but I’ll be happy if we can at least make them work and keep them honest for 70mins. It will be something to build on for the crunch final games against Dublin.

This is starting to sound like you know what...!!
N16
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Posted: 20-Mar-2012 14:53
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It would be no surprise at all if Dublin were to beat Tipp this weekend.
theface2010
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Posted: 20-Mar-2012 15:13
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Originally posted by Uisce Fort:
Galway should win this with a few to spare but I’ll be happy if we can at least make them work and keep them honest for 70mins. It will be something to build on for the crunch final games against Dublin. With the news of Kelly and Mullane back, hopefully it will boost the squad and give everyone a lift. If there’s ever a time Kelly will want to prove a point and prove Ryan wrong for drop  ping him, it’ll be now so here’s his chance.
Would like to see Power get a chance on goal, if not then at least keep SO’K as he didn’t do much wrong v Tipp. Would like to see Darragh Fives push up to wing back and hope Ringo is fit to play corner back. Brick back to CB to leave Moran and SOS midfield.
Kelly, Maurice and Paudric HF line and then Mullane, Shane Walsh and one of Gavin O’Brien/Martin O’Neill FF line, think that’s the strongest team we can put out.

That would be pretty much my team too-hopefully the 2 lads returning will provide a boost and get at least 60 minutes out of them-very difficult to see anything other than a Galway win here but stranger thinhs have happened.
flattythehurdler
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Posted: 20-Mar-2012 15:19
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This has booby trap written all over it for Galway. That said they should be motivated enough after the regular championship hidings. Delighted mullane is back for the game as it will give the Galway defence a better test. Anyone know what time is throw in?
shambolic
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Posted: 20-Mar-2012 17:53
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Originally posted by flattythehurdler:
This has booby trap written all over it for Galway. That said they should be motivated enough after the regular championship hidings. Delighted mullane is back for the game as it will give the Galway defence a better test. Anyone know what time is throw in?

2.30  (Summer time I assume )  Anthony Stapleton is ref.

Every game is a booby trap for Galway but hopefully there is a bit more consistency and a will to keep on going for the full 70/75 minutes.

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