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Kildare Hurling - A good news story for a change.
carryharry
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I have being keeping an eye recently on the fortunes of Kildare Hurling and have being highly impressed.
The reason being, a Tipperary native whom i know is now plying his trade with the Lilywhites and that man is Johnny Enright from Thurles.
Johnny has represented his club Thurles Sarsfields at all levels, represented UCC at college level and has also had stints on various Tipperary inter-county panels. It is great to see a hurler of his ability now helping to spread the small ball gospel in a very strong Football county. I think another Tipperary All Ireland winner, David Kennedy had a stint with Kildare a few years back also.
Their form since an early January Keogh Cup defeat to GMIT has being mighty impressive .
Jan. 28th - Keogh Cup 1/4 Final
Kildare 1-16 GMIT 1-17
Feb. 26th - Allianz Hurling League Round 1
Meath 0-13 Kildare 1-12
March 11th - Allianz Hurling League Round 2 @ 12.45 in St.Conleths
Kildare 0-24 London 0-15
March 18th - Allianz Hurling League Round 3
Roscommon 1-12 Kildare 5-19
March 25th - Allianz Hurling League Round 4
Kildare 7-30 Armagh 0-07
I can`t say i know a whole pile about all the teams in Division 2B but i would have placed Meath, London and Armagh ahead of Kildare at first thought.
Division 2A will be a step up but is`nt it great to see the level of performance rising in Kildare.
Are there any posters on AFR involved in Hurling in Kildare?
Blanco
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Originally posted by carryharry:
The reason being, a Tipperary native whom i know is now plying his trade with the Lilywhites and that man is Johnny Enright from Thurles.
Johnny was/is a terrific hurler down through the years , it`s a pity he never made on the inter county scene , he certainly had the ability in spades, but his slight stature worked against him.
I always thought it was a little unfortunate that he used to only get his chance in league games in downpours and mud and never seemed to see any summer hurling with the county in conditions which would have suited him more. I think these days managers are more understanding that some lads are just not suited to winter hurling and make allowances.
While his brother Eddie made it and won an All Ireland and All Star with Tipp , Johnny would have have been the one that would have been tipped to go on to be a future star when they were younger , thems the breaks.
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I live in the county but not involved in the hurling at the moment though may be getting involved in a small way soon. I suppose the good news for Kildare is bad news for Roscommon who seem to have got weaker in recent years. Back in the early 70s Kildare would have been a Div 1B team I think. Back then Galway were not a hurling power but a hurling match between Kildare and Galway would have been a tight enough affair. They are up against it here in promoting the game cos it`s football all the way + I`ve heard from a friend whose son is a good hurler at schools level that he`s switched over to football + soccer now cos there are so few games at underage in hurling in Kildare.
retiredmediocrehurler
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there are some excellent teams in Kildare at younger age groups - the best u12-u15 club teams could hold their own in the middle to bottom of Dublin`s Div 1. But the number of teams is small and there are parts of the county where they wouldn`t cut the grass in case someone might play some hurling on it. Great potential all around but need more games and better support from sections of the GAA. There is an argument for some creative thinking here - Meath/Westmeath/Kildare leagues (you could still have county championships and they don`t have many matches anyway ) . Or allowing Kildare clubs into Dublin leagues.
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We`re making decent enough strides from a fairly low base. Great work has gone in at underage level in a small number of clubs up in the north east of the county - Confey, Leixlip, Ardclough, Maynooth and particularly Celbridge. With the exceptions of Coill Dubh and Naas there isn`t much hurling the further south you go. We should remain fairly competitive at Christy Ring level for the time being. It`s not unrealistic to think we could reach the level that the likes of Westmeath, Carlow and Kerry are at in a few years time with continued progress.
carryharry
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Originally posted by azamour:
We`re making decent enough strides from a fairly low base. Great work has gone in at underage level in a small number of clubs up in the north east of the county - Confey, Leixlip, Ardclough, Maynooth and particularly Celbridge. With the exceptions of Coill Dubh and Naas there isn`t much hurling the further south you go. We should remain fairly competitive at Christy Ring level for the time being. It`s not unrealistic to think we could reach the level that the likes of Westmeath, Carlow and Kerry are at in a few years time with continued progress.
Fair play to all within the County trying to promote Hurling.
It makes the job a little easier when the Seniors are going well though.
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No shortage of talent but structures are poor.As an earlier poster said a bit of creative thinking would help.Hard to keep youngfellows interested when there are so few games.
frasiercrane
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Originally posted by azamour:
We`re making decent enough strides from a fairly low base. Great work has gone in at underage level in a small number of clubs up in the north east of the county - Confey, Leixlip, Ardclough, Maynooth and particularly Celbridge. With the exceptions of Coill Dubh and Naas there isn`t much hurling the further south you go. We should remain fairly competitive at Christy Ring level for the time being. It`s not unrealistic to think we could reach the level that the likes of Westmeath, Carlow and Kerry are at in a few years time with continued progress.
Are Coill Dubh still the Kingpins of Kildare hurling.The always seemed to dominate as far back as I can remember.
carryharry
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Originally posted by carryharry:
Kildare Hurling - A good news story for a change.
County champions since 1990 according to Kildare Gaa website -
1990 Coill Dubh
1991 Moorefield
1992 Castledermot
1993 Coill Dubh
1994 Naas
1995 Coill Dubh
1996 Coill Dubh
1997 Naas
1998 Coill Dubh
1999 Coill Dubh
2000 Coill Dubh
2001 Naas
2002 Naas
2003 Coill Dubh
2004 Ardclough
2005 Celbridge
2006 Ardclough
2007 Confey
2008 Confey
2009 Celbridge
2010 Celbridge
MikePhelan
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Celbridge are well ahead of lot of the other clubs in the county but after that comes Coill dubh, Confey and Ardclough who are all capable of beating each other and possibly given Celbridge a run for the money on their day. Naas are also up and coming (good underage set up ) .
Some great hurling people in Kildare who love the game as much as anyone from the traditional counties. Hurling is treated appalling badly by the county board but having a seperate hurling board that doesnt communicate with the CB doesnt help. Football will always come first in the county and over the last few years as Kildare footballers have had extended runs in the All-ireland championship the knock on effect to the clubs scene is huge with hurling being the big loser. eg. Semi finals of the hurling championship fixed for the day after a full round of football championship games.
Juvenile hurling is a joke with championships played off over a weekend/ 2 or 3 weekends just to get them out of the way so everyone can go back to playing football/soccer etc.
Without big change in Kildare - I predict there to be only 2 senior teams of note in a few years. Celbridge and Naas. Pity because the population in the county should be able to support two strong codes.
Not Men But Giants
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Originally posted by MikePhelan:
Celbridge are well ahead of lot of the other clubs in the county.
I predict there to be only 2 senior teams of note in a few years. Celbridge and Naas.
Dead right on both counts. I have family located in the county and I know Celbridge have an excellent panel that could compete at senior level in Dublin. Also have the prodigious Gerry Keegan coming through, this lad would walk on to the Kilkenny minor team and is hurling county senior and minor this year (having drop ped the football in favour of the small ball.
Kildare have the raw talent no doubt - look at Barry Daly & Adrian Ryan from Naas & Leixlip originally. Carlow IT`s wing forward in this year`s Fitz was Conor Kenny from Celbridge who hurled county senior as a minor and U21 at 17.
However, while the 2 best hurlers in the county are playing senior county football and in Australia respectively, the bigger problem is structure.
Coill Dubh, while thye do not play the nicest brand of hurling, are the kingpins undoubtedly (got to 18 out of 21 county finals winning the majority at some stage between the 70s and 90s ) but since they are a small bord na mona village are so dependent on the same families and therefore are susceptible emigration and other factors.
The other aristocrats Ardclough will have to merge with Kill village in a few years, they are reaping the what they sow - no underage effort of note in the last decade.
Confey were on fire when Davy Fitz was buzzing around the camp but lost Oisin Lynch to Oz and were never the same since. Will have to merge with Leixlip in a few years.
That leaves Naas, undoubtedly a club in the top 15 nationwide for underage hurling structure. If any poster is ever passing through or down for a weekend pop in on a Saturday morning and just look at the numbers out hurling. They have 3 full-size pitches, a juvenile pitch and an astro-d and roofed ball-wall and an outside wall. The main pitch is the best in the county. The sheer density of numbers of mentors willing to give up their time is amazing. All in all it is an environment very like Ballygunner here in Waterford and look where that has gotten them.
Celbridge are 5 years ahead of Naas in this cycle (Naas`s senior side is virtually all U21 ) and they are cleaning up at senior level and will do until Naas mature into the fine side they promise to be. Long term I fear these will be the only 2 forces with the tradition of Coill Dubh intervening now and again. Naas` underage structure is a good way ahead of Celbridge`s although they are none too shabby themselves. They produce excellent sides every few years underage but have lean years while Naas are extremely consistent in this regard. Celbridge at senior level then operate a football-or-hurling approach but no dual players. Naas are dual. Surprisingly to some, the hurling actually wins in an awful lot of cases however a serious talent was lost to "Geezer`s" set up.
All this however positive work is subject to an asterisk - the county board. An utter joke. Thousands in the red from paying the football management 70k plus and meeting all their extravagant demands (trips away, equipment, food for 7 sessions a week ) . Once you go south, pitches are not cut for fear some young lad might pick up a hurl or god forbid a match would take place. Club members would not be able to name one hurler in the county or the current champions. Even the VHI Cúl Camps which run for 5 days only do 2 days of hurling but even those days finish with a game of football instead of hurling as "it is not popular enough".
Underage management teams are subject to severe appointment scrutiny and diligence in football but are given basically to anyone who applies in hurling. If no one applies a management will not be put in place until 3 weeks before championship. The whole hurling county underage scene is woefully dependent on Don McSweeney, Noel McMahon & Damien Scallan. For example, Kildare won an All-Ireland Minor B in 2008 against Westmeath by 6 points in Thurles and the following year in the first round with 11 STARTERS from the previous year starting again they went down by 6 to Westmeath who had 4 from 2008. Structure was appalling and that was a gifted and bonded Kildare unit.
Re Johhny Enright a lovely fella and I heard from the relatives he helps out now and again in Naas with young lads. Great to see.
Not Men But Giants
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Originally posted by carryharry:
Kildare Hurling - A good news story for a change.
A mixed bag Harry. Awesome potential and the kids just love it as well. However, they are nearly all dual stars and the best ones are usually good at both and the ambitious ones will (correctly ) pick football at county level. Club level is a different story, many opt for hurling there.
They need coaching investment. Every coach in the county bar 1 is a football coach. Need a big name hurling coach (or 5! ) that kids will look up to.
Current senior set up is excellent but the talent lost between ages 12 - 21 is criminal (both through actual loss of personnel and loss of skill through lack of exposure to top level ) . County Development Team set ups are laughable.
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I know Johnny myself-lovely lad and typical of some of the great effort that club players up and down the country put in with little glory. Tearing down from Dublin a few times a week after work for training and matches with Sars-very tough to keep that up for years. Tried it for a while myself but hadn`t the time and something had to give-then again I would be well below Johnny`s standard!
Not Men But Giants
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Originally posted by carryharry:
I have being keeping an eye recently on the fortunes of Kildare Hurling and have being highly impressed.
The reason being, a Tipperary native whom i know is now plying his trade with the Lilywhites and that man is Johnny Enright from Thurles.
Johnny has represented his club Thurles Sarsfields at all levels, represented UCC at college level and has also had stints on various Tipperary inter-county panels. It is great to see a hurler of his ability now helping to spread the small ball gospel in a very strong Football county. I think another Tipperary All Ireland winner, David Kennedy had a stint with Kildare a few years back also.
Kennedy is still on the panel but is only a bit-part player now. There for a calm head and plenty experience. He loves the training, always first there I heard. Some man to claw ball as well. True gent, just unlucky to have ran into Ken McGrath on the day he did in 2002.
manfromdelmonte
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Why do Kildare keep importing players??
They beat Roscommon a few weeks ago and up to half the team weren`t even from Kildare.
At least Roscommon had 15 home grown players
What use is that to Kildare???
carryharry
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Originally posted by manfromdelmonte:
Why do Kildare keep importing players??
They beat Roscommon a few weeks ago and up to half the team weren`t even from Kildare.
At least Roscommon had 15 home grown players
What use is that to Kildare???
It is hard to stomach Counties bringing players in from outside when they are fairly successful already.
If Kildare`s current good run of results with players from outside the County can encourage young lads to play the game then keep it up.
Their neighbours recent success should also hopefully spread the word of Hurling in Kildare.
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Johnny is a popular fella on here, i know him myself, i was in UCC at the same time as him and used to meet up with him when he lived in Limerick about ten years ago. An absolutely lovely fella and a super hurler at every level except the top one. As someone else said his lightness was no help. He got a good few chances and not always on bad days so he can have no complaints that he was shafted, it just didn`t work out for him. Not surprised that he`s involved with Kildare and delighted it`s going well for him/them.
Not Men But Giants
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Originally posted by manfromdelmonte:
Why do Kildare keep importing players??
They beat Roscommon a few weeks ago and up to half the team weren`t even from Kildare.
At least Roscommon had 15 home grown players
What use is that to Kildare???
Kildare Team vs Roscommon NHL
Paul Dermody (Kildare )
Paul Keegan (Kildare )
Fiachra Ó Muineacháin (Kildare )
John Doran (Kildare )
John O`Malley (Kildare )
Richie Hoban (Kildare )
Neil Ó Muineacháin (Kildare )
Danny Butler (Kildare )
Mark Moloney (Kildare )
Conor Kenny (Kildare )
David Harney (Kildare )
Paul Divilly (Kildare )
Johnny Enright (TIPPERARY )
Tony Murphy (Kildare )
Leo Quinn (Kildare )
Talking out your hole in fairness on that one
carryharry
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Originally posted by carryharry:
Kildare Hurling - A good news story for a change.
Fair point NMBG`s . I don`t think he has played recently either?? Have`nt seen his name on score sheets recently anyway.
Its progress one way or another which is good for the game and Kildare imo.
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Originally posted by Not Men But Giants:
Kildare Team vs Roscommon NHL
Paul Dermody (Kildare )
Paul Keegan (Kildare )
Fiachra Ó Muineacháin (Kildare )
John Doran (Kildare )
John O`Malley (Kildare )
Richie Hoban (Kildare )
Neil Ó Muineacháin (Kildare )
Danny Butler (Kildare )
Mark Moloney (Kildare )
Conor Kenny (Kildare )
David Harney (Kildare )
Paul Divilly (Kildare )
Johnny Enright (TIPPERARY )
Tony Murphy (Kildare )
Leo Quinn (Kildare )
Talking out your hole in fairness on that one
What counties are all those lads from originally?
Not Men But Giants
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Originally posted by carryharry:
Fair point NMBG`s . I don`t think he has played recently either?? Have`nt seen his name on score sheets recently anyway.
Its progress one way or another which is good for the game and Kildare imo.
Johnny is 35 so he obviously isn`t at the standard he was before and is only on the fringes of the team by the looks of the lineups I`ve seen on the web.
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Originally posted by manfromdelmonte:
What counties are all those lads from originally?
13 are from Kildare
Johnny is from Tipp
Paul Dermody is from Graigue-Ballycallan but transfered to Éire Óg near Naas about 10 years ago. May not be starting come championship anyway.
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Originally posted by Not Men But Giants:
However, while the 2 best hurlers in the county are playing senior county football and in Australia respectively, the bigger problem is structure.
Assuming you mean Lynch as regards the lad in Oz, which I would be inclined to disagree with, but who`s the lad playing football?
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Originally posted by manfromdelmonte:
Why do Kildare keep importing players??
They beat Roscommon a few weeks ago and up to half the team weren`t even from Kildare.
At least Roscommon had 15 home grown players
What use is that to Kildare???
Would be inclined to agree with the final sentiment here. Lads have been brought in over the years and been absolutely no use, keeping fellas from Kildare clubs off the panel. In fact, I would go so far as to say that the only one who`s made any significant impact is Kennedy (of those who switched allegiance but remained with their clubs in a stronger county ) .
Your second point is absolute waffle, though - check your facts in future.
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Originally posted by Proposition Joe:
Assuming you mean Lynch as regards the lad in Oz, which I would be inclined to disagree with, but who`s the lad playing football?
No I was actually referring to Johnathan Byrne in Oz but Lynch is also a massive loss. Eoin Doyle of Naas is playing football.
Willie Sunderland has virtually gotten rid of the "foreign" players culture. I`d say Johnny will only do it for this year, he was even considering joining a club in the county.
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