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Topic: Number of priests in the country today
King Henry
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Posted: 12-Apr-2012 13:44
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THE Catholic diocese of Cork and Ross has announced a reduction in the number and frequence of Masses to be celebrated in churches as a result of the shortage of priests.
In a move heralded last June by Bishop John Buckley, the diocese has responded to the fall in the number of vocations and the reality that there are now too few priests for too many parishes.

In a letter read at Mass at all parishes on Sunday and published online by the diocese yesterday, Bishop Buckley reiterated his plan to divide the diocese into what are known as "pastoral areas" or groupings of parishes.

Each pastoral area faces losing at least one priest within the next couple of years.

In his letter, the bishop said: "An important part of our planning was the revision of Mass schedules. Although there will be fewer Masses in some areas, every effort will be made to ensure that communities will be able to attend Mass locally each weekend."

However, the likelihood is people who wish to attend Mass at a particular time may have to go to a church other than the one they are used to, said the bishop.

He added: "I appreciate that these changes will involve a sacrifice for some parishioners. My primary concern is to ensure that in the years ahead communities will have the opportunity to gather and celebrate the Mass. Even in the harshest times Irish people treasured the Mass and they risked life itself to show their love for the Mass."

The new Mass schedules will be introduced on January 1.

Last June, Bishop Buckley addressed a letter to Catholics in the diocese.

He wrote: "In 1998, 154 priests worked in the diocese. Today, the figure stands at 103 and this number will continue to decline in the future."

The bishop added: "Given the continuing fall in the number of priests, each pastoral area faces the real prospect of losing at least one priest within a couple of years."


above article from december of last year. We all know it's not just cork thats experiencing problems. Will there be any priests in Ireland in 15 or 20 years
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Turenne
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Posted: 12-Apr-2012 13:47
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Good stuff.
Glór na ngael
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Posted: 12-Apr-2012 14:49
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Originally posted by King Henry:
THE Catholic diocese of Cork and Ross has announced a reduction in the number and frequence of Masses to be celebrated in churches as a result of the shortage of priests.
In a move heralded last June by Bishop John Buckley, the diocese has responded to the fall in the number of vocations and the reality that there are now too few priests for too many parishes. In a letter read at Mass at all parishes on Sunday and published online by the diocese yesterday, Bishop Buckley reiterated his plan to divide the diocese into what are known as "pastoral areas" or groupings of parishes. Each pastoral area faces losing at least one priest within the next couple of years. In his letter, the bishop said: "An important part of our planning was the revision of Mass schedules. Although there will be fewer Masses in some areas, every effort will be made to ensure that communities will be able to attend Mass locally each weekend." However, the likelihood is people who wish to attend Mass at a particular time may have to go to a church other than the one they are used to, said the bishop. He added: "I appreciate that these changes will involve a sacrifice for some parishioners. My primary concern is to ensure that in the years ahead communities will have the opportunity to gather and celebrate the Mass. Even in the harshest times Irish people treasured the Mass and they risked life itself to show their love for the Mass." The new Mass schedules will be introduced on January 1. Last June, Bishop Buckley addressed a letter to Catholics in the diocese. He wrote: "In 1998, 154 priests worked in the diocese. Today, the figure stands at 103 and this number will continue to decline in the future." The bishop added: "Given the continuing fall in the number of priests, each pastoral area faces the real prospect of losing at least one priest within a couple of years."above article from december of last year. We all know it's not just cork thats experiencing problems. Will there be any priests in Ireland in 15 or 20 years

The priesthood could be one of the few growth industries in Ireland in the near future. Think of it, a way for FG/FG-lite to solve the unemployment crisis without spending a penny!

N16
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Posted: 12-Apr-2012 14:56
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Time for the Catholic Church to throw out its outdated ideology when it comes to the clergy etc and move into the 21st century. The whole hierachy of the church was shown up for what it was in the last 20 years. Its time priests were allowed to marry - taking a vow of celebacy is an antithesis to what is natural. Also in favour of women priests etc. Some sort of moel should be introduced where you have a sort of vicar or pastor who is married. Even though a lot of people dont go to mass etc, they still turn to the church in time of need such as when someone close to them passes away etc. Time for a revamp in the church of there'll be nothing but ruins of churches in every village in 100 years time.
dubliner 2
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Posted: 12-Apr-2012 15:10
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Originally posted by N16:
Time for the Catholic Church to throw out its outdated ideology when it comes to the clergy etc and move into the 21st century. The whole hierachy of the church was shown up for what it was in the last 20 years. Its time priests were allowed to marry - taking a vow of celebacy is an antithesis to what is natural. Also in favour of women priests etc. Some sort of moel should be introduced where you have a sort of vicar or pastor who is married. Even though a lot of people dont go to mass etc, they still turn to the church in time of need such as when someone close to them passes away etc. Time for a revamp in the church of there'll be nothing but ruins of churches in every village in 100 years time.

Correct in every way.

An unmarried priesthood is an 11th Century money saving invention by the church that has nothing to do with theology or anything in the Bible.

The Church could actually find itself growing if it joined the rest of us in the 21st Century but if it doesn't I can see your suggestion coming to pass sooner rather than later.
Harrison Ford
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Posted: 12-Apr-2012 15:52
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Yeah until priests are allowed to have sex, get married, have kids etc, I wouldn't trust anyone that goes into the priesthood these days. They would either have a screw loose or would be completely emotionally detached (in which case I would trust them even less).

In fact most Catholics these days are really Protestants because it was they that protested at the out-dated rules and corruption within the Vatican.
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theface2010
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Posted: 12-Apr-2012 16:03
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Originally posted by Harrison Ford:
Yeah until priests are allowed to have sex, get married, have kids etc, I wouldn't trust anyone that goes into the priesthood these days. They would either have a screw loose or would be completely emotionally detached (in which case I would trust them even less).In fact most Catholics these days are really Protestants because it was they that protested at the out-dated rules and corruption within the Vatican.

Don't think this will ever happen as the Vatican is too afraid of the financial consequences from seperations, divorces, etc of married priests. It is completely unnatural and unless it changes, it is a religion that will be no more by the end of this century in western civilisation at least. Personally, I think it has plenty of well meaning rules and guidelines to live your life by and I think a lot of people would like to have more of a spiritual outlet but many, myself included, think that the Catholic Church in Ireland and further afield is an absolutely disgusting organisation and the pain and hurt they have caused the most vunerable people in our society is something I will never forgive them for.

cerebus
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Posted: 12-Apr-2012 16:11
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Is there anything to be said for bringing back the Penal Laws.
Hitch
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Posted: 12-Apr-2012 16:32
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Originally posted by cerebus:
Is there anything to be said for bringing back the Penal Laws.

What ...more austerity?


Letterman
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Posted: 12-Apr-2012 17:21
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What I can't understand is the idea that if catholics become like the Church of england then everything will be OK, The church of england introduced women priests about 15 years ago, yet the number of people claiming to be COE has fallen, attending sunday services has fallen, number of vicars is falling even after a brief upsurge when the women joined in the nineties,

shambolic
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Posted: 12-Apr-2012 17:35
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No reduction in the number of bishops though
loughcurraman
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Posted: 12-Apr-2012 17:42
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No harm at all. I stopped caring about the institutional Church a good while ago , but probably more recently than a lot of people in this country. The silencing of the 2 Irish Redemptorist priests recently by Rome really shows how far away from reality they are. They werent even saying anything that would be construed as controversial to any reasonable minded person , merely stating the obvious. Benedict doesnt allow dissent within the Church and yet he has the cheek to go to Cuba to tell Raul Castro to allow freedom to political dissenters in Cuba. There is no organisation that more resembles Communism in its structures than the Catholic Church!
labane1917
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Posted: 12-Apr-2012 17:42
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Religion has become largely irrelevant for most people in the developed world. People are better educated nowadays and can see through the charade of organized religions. They are human designed and ran organizations and thus prone to the same attributes as most large organizations, lust for power, greed and regarding themselves as above the law. They are similar to how the large banks have become, come to think of it the Goldman Sachs of this world are the new religion, given the economic power they have over the population.
The flagrant disregard for the laws of the land has done untold damage to the Catholic Church in the Western world. I simply cannot see it surviving for more than the next 50 years. In some ways it's a shame as the teachings of Jesus Christ are compassionate and by and large a worthy guide on how to live life (unlike the Old Testament). Perhaps something new will replace it that truly reflects a higher aspect of human nature and incorporates the teachings of many global spiritual thinkers and not just a Judean rebel who was crucified by his own people.
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Letterman
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Posted: 12-Apr-2012 17:49
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Well if you deny that Christ founded the Church as some of those individuals did, then the church is man made and so we can change our beliefs to suit what the Irish times editorial page says.

If you believe that Christ founded the Church then you are bound by what he taught, No divorce etc...

there are certain tenet of the faith which if you deny you are outside of the faith. Thats why there have been 21 ecumenical councils to define what we believe.
Young Hopper
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Posted: 12-Apr-2012 17:50
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Originally posted by Harrison Ford:
Yeah until priests are allowed to have sex, get married, have kids etc, I wouldn't trust anyone that goes into the priesthood these days. They would either have a screw loose or would be completely emotionally detached (in which case I would trust them even less).In fact most Catholics these days are really Protestants because it was they that protested at the out-dated rules and corruption within the Vatican.

I don't know Mr. Ford. Priests have it handy really. Working an hour or so a day, maybe 2 hours on a Sunday, lets say 8 hours "officially" a week.
Cash collections at masses.
Cash nixers for weddings, christenings, funerals and praying for people.
Free accomodation.

Maybe we should demand more of them in their free time, outside of their "contract" hours a week.

Just as well there are not more of them in the country or the likes of you would want them babysitting for you in their spare time.

kelticwave
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Posted: 12-Apr-2012 17:51
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I'd nearly take the Old Testament fire and brimstone before Christ's message...
Blessed are
the meek: for they shall inherit the earth
the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven
What a crock of s**te.
OneLeggedDancer
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Posted: 12-Apr-2012 17:59
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Originally posted by cerebus:
Is there anything to be said for bringing back the Penal Laws.

Probably more to be said for abolishing the penile laws.

loughcurraman
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Posted: 12-Apr-2012 18:28
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Originally posted by kelticwave:
I'd nearly take the Old Testament fire and brimstone before Christ's message...
Blessed are
the meek: for they shall inherit the earth
the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven
What a crock of s**te.

You got that wrong. It's "Blessed are the Cheesemakers".

notrealdan
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Posted: 12-Apr-2012 18:35
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Rather than changing rules about celebacy and women priests the Catholic church would be better off circling the wagons so to speak.This may be a blessing in disguise as it would jettison the a la carte Catholics who play no active part in the church apart from criticising it and offering ill informed and silly suggestions on changing the church.
In other words if they are not happy in the church off with them,but stay gone, no point in returning with a fake tan for the confirmation or half steamed on christmas eve night.
moycullen14
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Posted: 12-Apr-2012 18:57
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Originally posted by loughcurraman:
You got that wrong. It's "Blessed are the Cheesemakers".

What's so special about cheesemakers? (Go on, you know you want to!)

inbetweeners
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Posted: 12-Apr-2012 19:54
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Originally posted by labane1917:
Religion has become largely irrelevant for most people in the developed world.

That is some sweeping statement to come out with. How could you possibly know either way.

I have to laugh at atheists who let religion bother them so much. You would think it was completely irrelevant to them, with them being atheists and all.

The Catholic Church definitely needs some change and allowing priest to marry would be a good start.

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shambolic
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Posted: 12-Apr-2012 20:04
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Originally posted by kelticwave:
I'd nearly take the Old Testament fire and brimstone before Christ's message...
Blessed are
the meek: for they shall inherit the earth
the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven
What a crock of s**te.

Jeez can't ye leave the Galway hurlers out of any topic
An Early Bath
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Posted: 12-Apr-2012 20:23
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Originally posted by moycullen14:
What's so special about cheesemakers? (Go on, you know you want to!)

Well, obviously its not meant to be taken literally; it refers to any manufacturers of dairy products.

I couldn't resist... had to take the bait.
labane1917
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Posted: 12-Apr-2012 20:37
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Originally posted by inbetweeners:
That is some sweeping statement to come out with. How could you possibly know either way.I have to laugh at atheists who let religion bother them so much. You would think it was completely irrelevant to them, with them being atheists and all.The Catholic Church definitely needs some change and allowing priest to marry would be a good start.

Religion being relevant suggests people live their lives according to it's teachings. This is clearly not the case in the developed world. The U.S. is a good example, lots of people claiming to be Christian but actually living their lives as they wish with total disregard for the guidelines of their religion. At least in most of Europe people are not hypocrites and just don't bother.
Atheists are bothered by religion when it starts to impose on their civil rights. It's not irrelevant when a religion gets to set the rules for a society or worse still openly flaunts the laws of a society as was the case in Ireland until very recently. It's all well and good saying ignore them but ignoring them and letting them do whatever they pleased was what led to the shameful abuse of children in Ireland.

notrealdan
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Posted: 12-Apr-2012 21:03
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What rules for society are set by religious in this country?
And what section of society are responsible for the other 90%
of abuse against children?

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