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McCarthy and McClean
jambon
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17-Apr-2012 09:25
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How can Trap leave them out on present form? Unfortunately i think he will.
murraymarmalade
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17-Apr-2012 11:23
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Ian Harte is playing really well for Reading as well. I know he is getting on a bit but his free kicks and corner kick deliveries could be usefull at the Euros. I think set pieces could be our most deadly weapon as we are not going to play Spain or Italy off the pitch.
However I notice on his Wiki page that last year Harte was overlooked as the current management didnt know he was Irish. Well it is the FAI we are talking about here.
KeepOnHurling
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17-Apr-2012 11:33
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Ian Harte? Are you for real?
McClean and McCarthy will probably both be in the final squad.
You only get 3 matches in the Euros so don't have time for experimentation.
You need a settled team going into the finals, you won't be seeing Spain or Germany picking lads who have barely played a full season of club football and parachuting them into the team.
the only case where you should pick an untested lad to play just before the tournament is if they are cleaely better than what is there, and some sort of wonderkid, maybe like Michael Owen in 1998.(or maybe DJ when he came back for the A-I semi final v Tipp one year - Ian Harte is not DJ Carey)
McClean and McCarthy have potential, sure
HurlyBurly
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17-Apr-2012 12:36
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McCarthy has been brilliant for Wigan lately in their great results over arsenal, utd etc. Looks well able for the normal sitting midfield role too - much better than Glenn Whelan. He was thought of as a creative stylish type first but he's shown now he has much more in his bag.
Hard to see both him & mcclean in the squad though, Trap is very rigid. I'd say Mcclean will be running out of steam shortly anyway - young fella, first big season and all that.
Dublin_Ultra
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17-Apr-2012 13:40
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McCarthy, Wilson, Coleman and McClean should be in the Ireland squad for Euro 2012. McCarthy and McClean have displayed the work rate and discipline Trap requires from his players.
Wilson,who has played more often than most current Irish internationals in the P.L this season, was the victim of an outrageous slur by Trap who has never personallly apologised to Wilson when he was made aware of his error. However he has never been called up in over a year but is still a very solid and versatile defender for Stoke.
With this shambolic approach to squad selection for the Euro's the FAI have made a costly mistake to sign Trap to another contract before Euro 2012. The guy has managed to disilluision a lot of young, talented players that we need for the Euro's and for the future.
hurling immortal
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17-Apr-2012 13:55
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I saw last nights game and mccarthy was very good.. he actually does alot of tracking back and tackling (and is good on the ball) at 21 he is the future and definitely should be in the squad.(but probably wont)
jambon
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17-Apr-2012 14:08
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Totally agree, i'd love if Trap left after the Euro's, i think he will destroy some great Irish talent coming through.
glasandbán
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17-Apr-2012 14:58
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Originally posted by jambon:
Totally agree, i'd love if Trap left after the Euro's, i think he will destroy some great Irish talent coming through.
I think you're exaggerating a bit there. Trapattoni is hardly going to start experimenting now, and he will be right to stick largely to the squad that won qualification. The Euro's as said above is only 3 games (probably) and not the time for experimentation.
I don't think there's any reason to expect that Trap won't pick younger players after the Euros are over, because that would be the right time to change things.
jambon
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17-Apr-2012 15:38
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Originally posted by glasandbán:
I think you're exaggerating a bit there. Trapattoni is hardly going to start experimenting now, and he will be right to stick largely to the squad that won qualification. The Euro's as said above is only 3 games (probably) and not the time for experimentation. I don't think there's any reason to expect that Trap won't pick younger players after the Euros are over, because that would be the right time to change things.
Will he pick younger players after the Euro's? I have my severe doubts to be honest. Can't see Keane or Duff dropped after the Euro's even though it would be a good time to do so.
cityoftribes
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17-Apr-2012 15:45
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Originally posted by jambon:
Will he pick younger players after the Euro's? I have my severe doubts to be honest. Can't see Keane or Duff dropped after the Euro's even though it would be a good time to do so.
I don't think he'll have to, I think a few of them will retire ater the Euros. Keane, Duff, Dunne. Maybe Given too, but I would hope not, as Goalies tend to play on that bit longer. I wouldn't be surprised if he does though.
Keanes Road
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17-Apr-2012 15:52
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Originally posted by cityoftribes:
I don't think he'll have to, I think a few of them will retire ater the Euros. Keane, Duff, Dunne. Maybe given too, but I would hope not as Goalies tend to play on that bit longer, but I wouldn't be surprised if he does.
Maybe only Duff will retire imo. Dunne is 32 and Keane a similar age and both always turn up unlike some who pull out for spurious reasons. Given I think has another 2 years anyway.
Maybe the traveling from the US will make Keane rethink?
cityoftribes
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17-Apr-2012 15:56
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Originally posted by Keanes Road:
Maybe only Duff will retire imo. Dunne is 32 and Keane a similar age and both always turn up unlike some who pull out for spurious reasons. Given I think has another 2 years anyway.
Maybe the traveling from the US will make Keane rethink?
It'd be great to get another few years out of Dunne and Given in particular, but I'm sure these guys would like to go out on a high, and are thinking how often will they get the chance to do so at the end of a major championships.
Can you see Keane staying in the US for much longer?
sub of the day
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17-Apr-2012 16:01
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Trap is incredibly loyal to the players who qualified, but blind loyalty where he ignores obvious talent will result in us having a weaker side than is available.Hunt isn't kicking a ball,and Doyle is spending his time on the bench (in a struggling side), but both are shoeins to be on the plane.
Keanes Road
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17-Apr-2012 16:03
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Originally posted by cityoftribes:
It'd be great to get another few years out of Dunne and Given in particular, but I'm sure these guys would like to go out on a high, and are thinking how often will they get the chance to do so at the end of a major championships.Can you see Keane staying in the US for much longer?
No I cant. He has been a bit of a nomad in his career. I though he would be gone sooner if Beckham had of moved on. He showed at Villa he is still able for that level so maybe a swansong is in the offing in Europe.
cityoftribes
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Originally posted by Keanes Road:
No I cant. He has been a bit of a nomad in his career. I though he would be gone sooner if Beckham had of moved on. He showed at Villa he is still able for that level so maybe a swansong is in the offing in Europe.
My thoughts too, but he is like Mickey Owen in that he is fairly picky about his clubs. He won't play with so called 'lesser' clubs in the PL in case thye get relegated and he most certainly won't play outside of the PL in England. Question is though, as he is pushing on in age in football terms, who would sign him?
subgoalie
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17-Apr-2012 17:07
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Originally posted by Dublin_Ultra:
McCarthy, Wilson, Coleman and McClean should be in the Ireland squad for Euro 2012.
Shoo-ins for the 23 are:
GKs: Given Westwood Forde
Full backs: O'Shea Ward Kelly
Centre backs: Dunne St.Leger O'Dea
Midfielders: Whelan Andrews
Wingers: Duff Hunt McGeady
Forwards: Keane Doyle Cox Walters Long
That leaves 4 positions left. He will bring 2 more midfielders, a 4th wide player and another defender, probably a full back.
It will probably be Foley ahead of Delaney and McShane as the defender. Although I would have Wilson and even Clark ahead of O'Dea.
It will be between Gibson, McCarthy, Fahey and Green for the 2 remaining CM spots and I hope to God it's not the latter as Green is nowhere near that level. I think Trap will go with McCarthy and Fahey.
Coleman and McClean will fight it out for the last wing spot and as I think he does not rate Coleman he'll go for the Sunderland man.
KeepOnHurling
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17-Apr-2012 17:20
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I'd say Coleman is a certainty as he gets picked for every squad.
McCarthy is also more or less certain I'd say.
I actually doubt Trap will bring 5 strikers, maybe only Walters, Keane and 2 of Long, Doyle and Cox. Could be Cox to miss out.
So that frees up another spot, probably for McClean to go for the experience even if he won't see much game time.
theface2010
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17-Apr-2012 17:27
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Originally posted by subgoalie:
Shoo-ins for the 23 are:
GKs: Given Westwood Forde
Full backs: O'Shea Ward Kelly
Centre backs: Dunne St.Leger O'Dea
Midfielders: Whelan Andrews
Wingers: Duff Hunt McGeady
Forwards: Keane Doyle Cox Walters LongThat leaves 4 positions left. He will bring 2 more midfielders, a 4th wide player and another defender, probably a full back.
It will probably be Foley ahead of Delaney and McShane as the defender. Although I would have Wilson and even Clark ahead of O'Dea.
It will be between Gibson, McCarthy, Fahey and Green for the 2 remaining CM spots and I hope to God it's not the latter as Green is nowhere near that level. I think Trap will go with McCarthy and Fahey.
Coleman and McClean will fight it out for the last wing spot and as I think he does not rate Coleman he'll go for the Sunderland man.
I would say he will bring at least 8 defenders. I would say Fahey will get in too as he has played a bit in the last few games. I would love to see McLean and McCarthy as they are probably the 2 form Irish players at the moment but as with the rugby, Irish managers don't pick on form but reputation and I wouldn't be surprised if neither of them make the squad.
loughcurraman
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18-Apr-2012 16:08
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People here mustnt heed what Trap says when he gives interviews. He has pretty much said that McClean is for the future and wont be on the plane to Poland. I sincerely hopes he brings McCarthy but I have my doubts that he will.
KeepOnHurling
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Originally posted by Keanes Road:
No I cant. He has been a bit of a nomad in his career. I though he would be gone sooner if Beckham had of moved on. He showed at Villa he is still able for that level so maybe a swansong is in the offing in Europe.
These lads are very loyal to Ireland so doubt they will retire, I'd say they'll turn up as long as they have something to offer.
But for Given, Dunne, O'Shea, Duff, Keane etc. once you get into the 30s form dips more, injuries occur more frequently so the younger players will get more and more chances to nail down a starting place for themselves.
Even Andrews and Hunt are into their 30s now.
Keanes Road
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Spain squad:
Goalkeepers: Iker Casillas (Real Madrid), Pepe Reina, (Liverpool), Victor Valdes (Barcelona)
Defenders: Alvaro Arbeloa (Real Madrid), Sergio Ramos (Real Madrid), Juanfran (Atletico Madrid), Jordi Alba (Valencia), Raul Albiol (Real Madrid), Gerard Pique (Barcelona), Javi Martinez (Athletic Bilbao)
Midfielders: Xavi (Barcelona), Sergio Busquets (Barcelona), Andres Iniesta (Barcelona), Xabi Alonso (Real Madrid), David Silva (Manchester City), Santi Cazorla (Malaga), Cesc Fabregas (Barcelona), Juan Mata (Chelsea)
Forwards: Jesus Navas (Sevilla), Pedro (Barcelona), Fernando Llorente (Athletic Bilbao), Fernando Torres (Chelsea), Alvaro Negredo (Sevilla)
Arkle
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27-May-2012 14:19
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Originally posted by Keanes Road:
Spain squad: Goalkeepers: Iker Casillas (Real Madrid), Pepe Reina, (Liverpool), Victor Valdes (Barcelona) Defenders: Alvaro Arbeloa (Real Madrid), Sergio Ramos (Real Madrid), Juanfran (Atletico Madrid), Jordi Alba (Valencia), Raul Albiol (Real Madrid), Gerard Pique (Barcelona), Javi Martinez (Athletic Bilbao) Midfielders: Xavi (Barcelona), Sergio Busquets (Barcelona), Andres Iniesta (Barcelona), Xabi Alonso (Real Madrid), David Silva (Manchester City), Santi Cazorla (Malaga), Cesc Fabregas (Barcelona), Juan Mata (Chelsea) Forwards: Jesus Navas (Sevilla), Pedro (Barcelona), Fernando Llorente (Athletic Bilbao), Fernando Torres (Chelsea), Alvaro Negredo (Sevilla)
Holy sh!t.
That makes for sobering reading.
Meanwhile, back at the ranch, Trap has called up some fella that can't even get signed by championship clubs.
blueblaa
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27-May-2012 14:25
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Originally posted by Arkle:
Holy sh!t.
That makes for sobering reading.Meanwhile, back at the ranch, Trap has called up some fella that can't even get signed by championship clubs.
But if we played Wes Houlihan and Andy Reid we'd pass Spain off the park !
Yojimbo
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27-May-2012 14:56
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Originally posted by blueblaa:
But if we played Wes Houlihan and Andy Reid we'd pass Spain off the park !
Should give Andy plenty of time to brush up on his ballad-singing!
kavvie
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27-May-2012 16:00
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the truth never came out bout that andy reid incident..lets say if liam brady wasnt involved in the management team andy would still be involved now!!
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