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Topic: "Alas, poor King Kenny" ...is he the Messiah after all?
Hitch
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Posted: 22-Apr-2012 18:46
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"There's only one Roy Hodgson" echoes round Anfield from the away fans' end.

Is it a sad end to his managerial reputation or will the Cup(s) save him for another season at least?

In the words of Little Bill ..."I don't deserve this."


frasiercrane
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Posted: 22-Apr-2012 18:48
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Originally posted by Hitch:

"There's only one Roy Hodgson" echoes round Anfield from the away fans' end.Is it a sad end to his managerial reputation or will the Cup(s) save him for another season at least?In the words of Little Bill ..."I don't deserve this."

Deserve's got nothin to do with it

greendolphin
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Posted: 22-Apr-2012 19:08
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Depends if Liverpool win the FA Cup or not I think. Nothing wrong with winning 2 'cups' in a year imo. That said with the poor league form I wouldn't be surprised if he decided to move on despite what happens at Wembley. He wants champions league football and hasn't got it.
rebelrebel30
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Posted: 22-Apr-2012 19:15
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Originally posted by Hitch:

"There's only one Roy Hodgson" echoes round Anfield from the away fans' end.Is it a sad end to his managerial reputation or will the Cup(s) save him for another season at least?In the words of Little Bill ..."I don't deserve this."

Yerra i wouldnt worry 2 weeks away from the FA Cup final, the players minds are elsewhere, sure its not like winning every league game between now and the end will make a difference to making a CL Spot. Win 2 trophies and we will work over the summer to have a go at doing better in the league.
patr1ck84
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Posted: 22-Apr-2012 19:33
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Originally posted by rebelrebel30:
Yerra i wouldnt worry 2 weeks away from the FA Cup final, the players minds are elsewhere, sure its not like winning every league game between now and the end will make a difference to making a CL Spot. Win 2 trophies and we will work over the summer to have a go at doing better in the league.

in fairness their minds are elsewhere for the past 4 months if thats all thats wrong
rebelrebel30
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Posted: 22-Apr-2012 19:34
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Originally posted by patr1ck84:

in fairness their minds are elsewhere for the past 4 months if thats all thats wrong

maybe but sure they will have something concrete to show for it at the end of season patrick if you get my drift......
Harrison Ford
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Posted: 22-Apr-2012 20:24
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Originally posted by rebelrebel30:
Yerra i wouldnt worry 2 weeks away from the FA Cup final, the players minds are elsewhere

I bet not many people can remember who won the FA Cup 2 or 3 years ago.

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Lanfranco Dettori
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Posted: 22-Apr-2012 20:26
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Originally posted by frasiercrane:
Deserve's got nothin to do with it

Who is this Deserve person you are talking about?
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rebelrebel30
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Posted: 22-Apr-2012 20:58
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Originally posted by Harrison Ford:
I bet not many people can remember who won the FA Cup 2 or 3 years ago.

and why would they..sure its only won once a year.
Rebel CNC
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Posted: 22-Apr-2012 21:20
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You could blame the distraction of FA cup except likes of Henderson, Downing, etc have been serving up this dross all season, especially since turn of year.

Kenny will be given another chance to prove he can do it, along with his expensive misfiring acquisitions. However, I'd say that a poor or even mediocre start to next season will see him gone before September is out.

rebelrebel30
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Posted: 22-Apr-2012 21:25
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Originally posted by Rebel CNC:
You could blame the distraction of FA cup except likes of Henderson, Downing, etc have been serving up this dross all season, especially since turn of year.Kenny will be given another chance to prove he can do it, along with his expensive misfiring acquisitions. However, I'd say that a poor or even mediocre start to next season will see him gone before September is out.

I agree. He needs a good summer in the transfer market and a good start, if Liverpool are faltering in the league by October i would see him making way or pressure seriously coming on for him.

South Limerick Referee
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Posted: 22-Apr-2012 22:01
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When Kenny managed Liverpool last, the cups were probably more important than the league in terms of prestige. Now the cup competitions are riddled with second string teams.

For financial reasons Liverpool have to be competing for 4th. Not achieving 50 points in the table is poor in comparison to expectations but to be fair Andy Carroll has bailed him out in a couple of games recently.
murraymarmalade
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Posted: 23-Apr-2012 00:56
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Originally posted by Harrison Ford:
I bet not many people can remember who won the FA Cup 2 or 3 years ago.
I recall Man City bought it ...... sorry I mean won it last year. Prior to that Coventry, Portsmouth and Wimbledon were among the winners. Coventry and Portsmouth were relegated yesterday while Wimbledom are no longer around.

Larkin
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Posted: 23-Apr-2012 01:23
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Thought this had something to do with Enda Kenny. Wrong thread I suppose.
GalwayDownUnder
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Posted: 23-Apr-2012 04:26
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I just don't see any managerial pedigree in Kenny. What did he acheive at Liverpool that the manager who takes over from Ferguson won't achieve? He took over a brilliant team and left them in dissaray when he jumped ship. Of course Souness has been made the scapegoat as his reputation was severely tarnished at the time.

He was then the first manager to buy a league. He then took over at Newcastle and Celtic, both disastrous appointments. Then he spends years out of the game and returns as a Messiah.

Why hasn't any club touched him with a barge poll in the past 10 years? He's simply not good enough. The yanks would be stupid to give him more money to waste. Liverpool fans are very loyal which is commendable but they have to divorce the player from the manager otherwise they go through a similar 4 or 5 years that they game to both Benitez and Houllier.

loughcurraman
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Posted: 23-Apr-2012 07:19
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Originally posted by Harrison Ford:
I bet not many people can remember who won the FA Cup 2 or 3 years ago.

Who won it last year?

theface2010
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Posted: 23-Apr-2012 09:35
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Originally posted by GalwayDownUnder:
I just don't see any managerial pedigree in Kenny. What did he acheive at Liverpool that the manager who takes over from Ferguson won't achieve? He took over a brilliant team and left them in dissaray when he jumped ship. Of course Souness has been made the scapegoat as his reputation was severely tarnished at the time. He was then the first manager to buy a league. He then took over at Newcastle and Celtic, both disastrous appointments. Then he spends years out of the game and returns as a Messiah. Why hasn't any club touched him with a barge poll in the past 10 years? He's simply not good enough. The yanks would be stupid to give him more money to waste. Liverpool fans are very loyal which is commendable but they have to divorce the player from the manager otherwise they go through a similar 4 or 5 years that they game to both Benitez and Houllier.

SSssshhhhh! You're not allowed point any of this out or else people will call you a WUM. Kenny is the king and infallible. He has bought really well, managed the whole Suarez saga wonderfully and got this squad of players, who every single Liverpool supporter said was man for man better than United and top 4 at least was the aim for this season, to within a scarcely believable 40 points of United.

I'll say one thing for Kenny, despite the fact that certain Liverpool supporters are claiming that the league doesn't matter and clubs should be judged on how they do in the secondary cup competition, he will know himself that it's all about the league and he may well sit down during the summer and decide himself that it's time to go.

Will FSG give him another £120m or so to spend considering the value return they've seen on Henderson, Downing and Carroll for a combined eye-watering £75m? If they had spent another £12m, they could've got Yaya Toure, David Silva and Sergio Aguero. If there's not the same investment, how can FSG expect Daglish to find another 35 or 40 points next year to get them challenging-is he the right man for the job?

Sledgehammer
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Posted: 23-Apr-2012 10:27
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Originally posted by theface2010:
SSssshhhhh! You're not allowed point any of this out or else people will call you a WUM. Kenny is the king and infallible. He has bought really well, managed the whole Suarez saga wonderfully and got this squad of players, who every single Liverpool supporter said was man for man better than United and top 4 at least was the aim for this season, to within a scarcely believable 40 points of United. I'll say one thing for Kenny, despite the fact that certain Liverpool supporters are claiming that the league doesn't matter and clubs should be judged on how they do in the secondary cup competition, he will know himself that it's all about the league and he may well sit down during the summer and decide himself that it's time to go.Will FSG give him another £120m or so to spend considering the value return they've seen on Henderson, Downing and Carroll for a combined eye-watering £75m? If they had spent another £12m, they could've got Yaya Toure, David Silva and Sergio Aguero. If there's not the same investment, how can FSG expect Daglish to find another 35 or 40 points next year to get them challenging-is he the right man for the job?

Truth is nobody knows...while he may well carry the can..I'd like to give him his 3 years. As bad as some of them are, once they cross the white line not much you can do. I have never seen so many chances created and missed...absolute joke, so while manager is culpable, finishing from players is dreadful and some of them have to take the blame. Hitting the post is unlucky, but also a miss. Time will tell, but sure maybe he'll get as much time as Fergie and Mark Robbins!
patr1ck84
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Posted: 23-Apr-2012 10:47
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Originally posted by Sledgehammer:

Truth is nobody knows...while he may well carry the can..I'd like to give him his 3 years. As bad as some of them are, once they cross the white line not much you can do. I have never seen so many chances created and missed...absolute joke, so while manager is culpable, finishing from players is dreadful and some of them have to take the blame. Hitting the post is unlucky, but also a miss. Time will tell, but sure maybe he'll get as much time as Fergie and Mark Robbins!

True not much he can do after they cross the line but he puts the team out and he gathered the players together at enormous expense... as for hitting the post being unlucky yes it is normally but if its happening in every game its not unlucky its bad finishing
Rebel CNC
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Posted: 23-Apr-2012 10:59
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Originally posted by patr1ck84:

.. as for hitting the post being unlucky yes it is normally but if its happening in every game its not unlucky its bad finishing

True. When the Americans asked Kenny and Comoloni to specify reasons for failings this season in a written report, they explicitly told them both not to mention "bad luck".
Don't think they'll hand Kenny a big transfer kitty this summer - more likely he'll be told to do his job and coach likes of Henderson, Carroll, Downing, etc back to their pre Liverpool form.

Sledgehammer
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Posted: 23-Apr-2012 12:03
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Originally posted by patr1ck84:

True not much he can do after they cross the line but he puts the team out and he gathered the players together at enormous expense... as for hitting the post being unlucky yes it is normally but if its happening in every game its not unlucky its bad finishing

Thats what I meant, pure crap finishing. No need to go mad spending money either, couple of more Enrique's/Bellamys, little less of the Hendersons/Carrolls. Newcastle have proved they are out there. Only problem is when clubs know there is money about you end up paying inflated prices.


Hidalgo
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Posted: 23-Apr-2012 12:04
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Originally posted by Rebel CNC:
True. When the Americans asked Kenny and Comoloni to specify reasons for failings this season in a written report, they explicitly told them both not to mention "bad luck".
Don't think they'll hand Kenny a big transfer kitty this summer - more likely he'll be told to do his job and coach likes of Henderson, Carroll, Downing, etc back to their pre Liverpool form.

CL will be a priority for the owners, that's where the money is, end of. If they want to get in there, they're going to have to spend in the summer, who'll be spending it remains to be seen.

They're crying out for a goalscorer, doesn't have to be someone who can perform wonders, but who has a good shots on target to goals ratio, creating chances doesn't appear to be the problem, its finishing them off that's killing Liverpool.
Other positions such as someone to play beside Lucas in the 'Alonso' role is another requirement, but a striker has to be top of the pile. Preferably someone who can link uo/bring out the best in Suarez also.

I just hope that the scouting network goes beyond the shores of Britain this summer.

Hidalgo
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Posted: 23-Apr-2012 12:04
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Originally posted by Rebel CNC:
True. When the Americans asked Kenny and Comoloni to specify reasons for failings this season in a written report, they explicitly told them both not to mention "bad luck".
Don't think they'll hand Kenny a big transfer kitty this summer - more likely he'll be told to do his job and coach likes of Henderson, Carroll, Downing, etc back to their pre Liverpool form.

CL will be a priority for the owners, that's where the money is, end of. If they want to get in there, they're going to have to spend in the summer, who'll be spending it remains to be seen.

They're crying out for a goalscorer, doesn't have to be someone who can perform wonders, but who has a good shots on target to goals ratio, creating chances doesn't appear to be the problem, its finishing them off that's killing Liverpool.
Other positions such as someone to play beside Lucas in the 'Alonso' role is another requirement, but a striker has to be top of the pile. Preferably someone who can link uo/bring out the best in Suarez also.

I just hope that the scouting network goes beyond the shores of Britain this summer.

cityoftribes
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Posted: 23-Apr-2012 12:13
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Originally posted by Hidalgo:
CL will be a priority for the owners, that's where the money is, end of. If they want to get in there, they're going to have to spend in the summer, who'll be spending it remains to be seen.They're crying out for a goalscorer, doesn't have to be someone who can perform wonders, but who has a good shots on target to goals ratio, creating chances doesn't appear to be the problem, its finishing them off that's killing Liverpool.
Other positions such as someone to play beside Lucas in the 'Alonso' role is another requirement, but a striker has to be top of the pile. Preferably someone who can link uo/bring out the best in Suarez also. I just hope that the scouting network goes beyond the shores of Britain this summer.

Because they don't have CL football it will be hard to attract alot of players they would like to sign. Do you think they might do like Man City did when signing Robinho, it being a strategical signing to show players they were in the big time regarding transfers.

For midfield, what about Aquilani? He's having a pretty good season at AC.
Rebel CNC
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Posted: 23-Apr-2012 12:25
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Originally posted by Hidalgo:
.... I just hope that the scouting network goes beyond the shores of Britain this summer.

I'd say Dalglish, whatever else you could say about him, is astute enough to realise that his pipedream to build a team around the best of young British talent is dead in the water.

Leaving the expensive lads from United, City, Chelsea out of it, likes of Henderson, Adam, Downing are in the ha'penny place compared to likes of Sessegnon, Cabaye, Ben Arfa Sigurdsson,Moses, Martin Petrov, etc - both in terms of technical ability and value for money.

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