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Are 65's too much of a punishment on defenders?
galwayforliam
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23-Apr-2012 18:19
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What I mean is, is it unfair on the defending team to award a 65m free against them when they play the ball over their own endline?
This thought occured to me over the weekend while watching the standard of free taking in all the intercounty games. These days, free takers are so good that every 65 is virtually a guaranteed point. So is it unfair on a defender to give a free to the opposition for what could be an excellent piece of defending on his behalf (perhaps a block down on a player shooting from out on the sideline) and this is punished with a free shot 65m from goal for the attacking team. With the standard of free taking now the defender would be aswell off to foul the player as give a 65 away. Because whether you foul them 30 metres from goal or give the 65 away chances are it'll be a point.
We'd all find it very unfair if a free was to be awarded instead of a sideline cut for a ball going out over the sideline so why should it be different for a ball going out over the endline?
And how what could we award instead of a 65 in line with where the ball went out? Maybe a 45 that must be struck from the ground? Or a throw in on the 20m line? Or maybe move back the distance it must be taken from? Or maybe all 65's could be taken as a free but from right out on the sideline to make them more difficult?
This is just a thought that came to me over the weekend. I don't think it applies to football as scoring a 45 is far more difficult than scoring a 65 in hurling
Time!!!
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23-Apr-2012 18:28
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A 65 is very fair. Players practice these day day out at a variety of angles with gales blowing against them and across the field. It would be an easy escape route for the defender just to disappear over the end line with the ball.
I would be in favour of having 2 points awarded for a sideline.
let it long
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23-Apr-2012 19:09
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It is a little harsh but its the same rule for both teams so that kind of negates its a little. Perhaps an indirect 65' might be fairer.
squareba11
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24-Apr-2012 17:06
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It probably is bit harsh any free taker worth his salt at club level would have a strike rate of at least 3 if not 4 out of every 5 65's. Back ten years ago scoring half of your 65's was an achievement now they are almost guaranteed points. Can't see what other solution maybe the indirect free from the 65 might be a good option. The defender is being punished for doing his job of blocking or denying the attacker time and space to take a score by giving the other team a point 4 times out of 5.
1944
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24-Apr-2012 17:09
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Originally posted by Time!!!:
A 65 is very fair. Players practice these day day out at a variety of angles with gales blowing against them and across the field. It would be an easy escape route for the defender just to disappear over the end line with the ball.
I would be in favour of having 2 points awarded for a sideline.
Agree a sideline cut should def be worth 2 pts, a great skill and shud be rewarded.
Tinmar
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24-Apr-2012 17:19
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Originally posted by 1944:
Agree a sideline cut should def be worth 2 pts, a great skill and shud be rewarded.
Completely disagree. Imagine making a great block down out near the sideline against Galway in the last minute while 1 point ahead. You would be giving Joe Canning an opportunity to win the game. In those circumstances you would be better advised to rugby tackle the player to the ground as at least then you couldn't lose the game.
N16
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24-Apr-2012 17:20
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Spent a long time when I was 17/18/19 perfecting line balls. I'd get 4 or 5 old balls, leave them in a bucket of water so they'd be right heavy. Out the back of the house we had a field we used to play 6 a side matches in and I had makeshift goals put up out of bits of hazel trees I cut and put up. I used to go to the otehr side of the field about 40 yards away and practice cutting the wet balls over the bar. Took me a while but by the age of 19, I could cut a line ball 60 yards not bother, no exaggeration. Everything within 40 yards of the goal I'd eitehr get it in around the house, oevr the bar, wide, the goalkeeper would get it or one a few occasions the ball ended up in the net. Stopped practcing it then moved to Dublin at 22 and didnt hurl for a few years until I was 24 and in London. Was never as good again.
Do i think 2 points should be awarded for poiting a line ball? No. Does that mean 4 or 6 should be awarded if you scored a goal from one?
It is a great skill, but one that any lad could perfect if he wanted to. Let it remain as it is.
Blanco
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24-Apr-2012 18:31
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Babs Keating used to often talk about the ball been too light for these days , he always cited in his argument that 65's were never meant to be such easy scoring chances, he mentioned a player back in his day who started to score from 65's and he was the talk the country as it was such a rare occurrence at the time , these days any half decent free taker is expected to put them over routinely.
FTJC
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24-Apr-2012 21:19
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why not a ground cut from the end line similiar to the way a sideline ball is treated???
Would make for some right thrilling moments and goalmouth action!
LETRIP
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25-Apr-2012 09:13
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Originally posted by FTJC:
why not a ground cut from the end line similiar to the way a sideline ball is treated???Would make for some right thrilling moments and goalmouth action!
Is it a corner you are advocating or a short-corner Hockey style?
centreforward
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25-Apr-2012 09:18
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Moving the 65 further out to the other 65 line is the only option if you want to change the rule. Only the very long hitters will score from there. It might also bring back more pulling on the ball overhead with balls falling short into the square.
JohnneyCool
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25-Apr-2012 14:58
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Originally posted by Blanco:
Babs Keating used to often talk about the ball been too light for these days , he always cited in his argument that 65's were never meant to be such easy scoring chances, he mentioned a player back in his day who started to score from 65's and he was the talk the country as it was such a rare occurrence at the time , these days any half decent free taker is expected to put them over routinely.
Babs has a point and I'm in agreement as midfield is almost bypassed now. I'd make the ball heavier, or change the internal substance so that it didn't travel as far. There'd by less high scoring games no doubt, but there'd be more hurling in them.
Hurlingfan15
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25-Apr-2012 15:15
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+1. Also, some excellent scores are got from play and in terms of skill would exceed a sideline cut. IMHO.
Originally posted by Tinmar:
Completely disagree. Imagine making a great block down out near the sideline against Galway in the last minute while 1 point ahead. You would be giving Joe Canning an opportunity to win the game. In those circumstances you would be better advised to rugby tackle the player to the ground as at least then you couldn't lose the game.
blaamain
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25-Apr-2012 16:18
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Fine as it is I think.
A 65 is usually a result of pressure on the goal. A decent but uncertain chance at a point from the 65 is a fair result for both teams.
One way I'd think about it is to imagine your team getting a 65 in a Cluxton situation on AIF day. Would you be thinking the game is won?
Next question; which would you rather - a 65 or a 45 From straight in front to win an All Ireland?
Good Facilities
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25-Apr-2012 16:31
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I dont like 65s as a set-piece. It slows the game down enormously. It means there is only one puck of a ball from the moment the 65 is conceded to the time the keeper pucks it out after the 65 is scored or sent wide, and by that stage over a minute will have elapsed between the 2 stoppages.
Not very exciting for the fastest field game in the world.
Furthermore, if you're playing down the far end of the field, you know it'll be a minute or two at least before the action is back near you.
corcaighabu92
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25-Apr-2012 16:32
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Leave it the way it is. Happens in all sports. In soccer player might make last ditch tackle to deny a goal. Still have a chance to get a goal from a corner. In rugby, ball kicked forward full back just gets back to prevent a try but carries to ball out over the sideline only five metres from the tryline. Have a great chance of scoring a try from the lineout. In GAA, player may deny a goal scoring chance. At worst, the opposition gets a point from a 65. I think it is perfect.
bosco32
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25-Apr-2012 19:16
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They should be moved back to your own 65. Far too big a punishment as things stand.
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