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worried (87 Posts)	Posted: 26-Apr-2012 10:28	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
worried (87 Posts)	I see in todays Examiner Mickey Harte is complaining of all the NEGATIVITY IN Gaelic FOOTBALL,Can you believe that ? Here is the man who invented the +++ child of Gaelic Football we all loved,This is the product that was taken to the extreme last year by Donegal,This is the product that is criticised by our outgoing President Mr Cooney ,Our incoming president Mr o Neill,our director of GAA Mr Duffy ,past players Pat Spillane ,Colm o Rourke etc,and today the great Mick Lyons says he wouldnt watch it,Will you ever get it Mickey ,its a terrible spectacle,nobody in the current climate will travel and pay to wath this puke footbal as Spillane calls it ,they all cant be wrong,we are waiting with bathed breath to see if the new man Mr o Neill will actually get off the fence and DO something about it,we wont hold our breath.
The Badger (862 Posts)	Posted: 26-Apr-2012 10:49	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
The Badger (862 Posts)	Well obviously hes going to defend a system that’s won him 3 All Ireland. As for the spectacle itself, well the likes of you have bought into the ramblings of Spillane et al who pine for the glory days when his county shared All Irelands with an elite minority. The idea of Meath beating his neighbours Cork sickened him in the late 80s and it continues today with the Ulster boys like Tyrone, Armagh and Donegal not taking their beatings like they did for the GAAs first 100 years. Don’t underestimate the power Spillane has. Hes the first voice you hear after a major match in the later stages and you have to listen to him as RTE are the only broadcaster at that stage. He sets the agenda for the following days debate and if hes not happy with what hes sees he will exaggerate, hence the birth of the term ‘puke football’ which unfortunately has entered the GAA lexicon
sam (8,946 Posts)	Posted: 26-Apr-2012 11:20	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
sam (8,946 Posts)	Harte is dead right, far too much doom and gloom about football and attendances in the GAA - far too much negativity all round.
Boston Bruin (131 Posts)	Posted: 26-Apr-2012 11:22	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Boston Bruin (131 Posts)	Not sure what Tyrone teams you have been watching , but the likes of Dooher, Kavanagh, Mulligan, Kavanagh, Canavan , O’Neill have all been top class attacking players but who also bought into the ethos of everyman being a defender when you lose possession. It makes me cringe to hear Spillane trying to rewrite history with harping back to what he obviously believes to be the Dublin/Kerry heyday of football in the 70s and coming out with nonsense like “the kick pass is gone from the game” and suggesting the number of consecutive handpasses should be limited. Well i’m young enough to not have been around for the Dublin/Kerry era but looking at some of the games on TG4 Gold , the standard of play was shambolic at times, very poor technique , no tactical intelligence and questionable fitness (as evident by the rotund nature of some of the players). Spillane’s much heralded Kick Pass, was in fact just a ignorant kick, usually by a full or corner back bursting out from a melee of players, head down and booting the ball 50 yards upfield (to nobody in particular)so another melee for position could ensue. Thank god for the likes of Harte and his ilk coming along applying some thought and science to game and discovering that its actually easier to win when you keep possession of the football and defend as a single unit with discipline.
The Badger (862 Posts)	Posted: 26-Apr-2012 11:24	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
The Badger (862 Posts)	Originally posted by Boston Bruin: Not sure what Tyrone teams you have been watching , but the likes of Dooher, Kavanagh, Mulligan, Kavanagh, Canavan , O’Neill have all been top class attacking players but who also bought into the ethos of everyman being a defender when you lose possession. It makes me cringe to hear Spillane trying to rewrite history with harping back to what he obviously believes to be the Dublin/Kerry heyday of football in the 70s and coming out with nonsense like “the kick pass is gone from the game” and suggesting the number of consecutive handpasses should be limited. Well i’m young enough to not have been around for the Dublin/Kerry era but looking at some of the games on TG4 Gold , the standard of play was shambolic at times, very poor technique , no tactical intelligence and questionable fitness (as evident by the rotund nature of some of the players). Spillane’s much heralded Kick Pass, was in fact just a ignorant kick, usually by a full or corner back bursting out from a melee of players, head down and booting the ball 50 yards upfield (to nobody in particular)so another melee for position could ensue. Thank god for the likes of Harte and his ilk coming along applying some thought and science to game and discovering that its actually easier to win when you keep possession of the football and defend as a single unit with discipline. Excellent post
Star Gazer (161 Posts)	Posted: 26-Apr-2012 11:42	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Star Gazer (161 Posts)	Worried, you are saying that no one will travel and pay to watch football. Where were you last September. All Ireland Senior and Minor Football Finals - attendance 82,300. Do you remember how hard it was to get a ticket for those matches?. Mickey Harte is dead right on this. This message has been edited - 26-apr-2012 @ 11:44
cerebus (3,258 Posts)	Posted: 26-Apr-2012 11:56	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
cerebus (3,258 Posts)	Originally posted by Star Gazer: Worried, you are saying that no one will travel and pay to watch football. Where were you last September. All Ireland Senior and Minor Football Finals - attendance 82,300. Do you remember how hard it was to get a ticket for those matches?. Lads that bitch on here rarely go to a GAA game bar an odd AI final when they take the ticket from some poor lad who has lined pitches and washed jerseys since the club was formed. They don't have the time especially when WE are playing in the Holy Grail of the Premiership.
frasiercrane (1,843 Posts)	Posted: 26-Apr-2012 13:45	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
frasiercrane (1,843 Posts)	Harte slams negativity By John Fogarty Thursday, April 26, 2012 Mickey Harte has made a strong defence of modern-day Gaelic football, claiming it is just as exciting now, if not more so, than it was in previous decades. In the face of criticism about overuse of the hand-pass and the blanket defence from officials such as GAA director general Páraic Duffy and new president Liam O’Neill, the Tyrone manager said he is appalled by the negativity. He said he knows of no other organisation "in business or sport or anywhere else" that "decries their own product". "I just cannot understand why so many people have been blighted by the Donegal-Dublin (All-Ireland semi-final) last year, and their 0-8 to 0-6 game, as if it was a total reflection on all that Gaelic football has to offer. "In the totality of what went on even last season, it has no bearing on the overall outcome." Harte admits he’s tired of comparisons being made with the 70s game. "This catch-and-kick mentality really bores me to tears, and go take a look at the TG4 Gold series, and it’s not that exciting. "It was the best there was at that time, and I’ve always acknowledged that, and I enjoyed it. I was in Croke Park in the 70s, I watched Dublin and Kerry and admired them greatly. "And now we have something of a different era that I find equally exciting. And we hear people decrying it and demeaning it from all parts. Let’s be real about it." Harte isn’t surprised officials like Duffy and O’Neill have raised issues about the aesthetic value of Gaelic football. "If people keep saying something often enough, then certain people start to believe it. If you don’t question things that are not right, then people will accept it as truth. And it’s not the truth. "So maybe there isn’t enough of us shouting back the other way, to say let’s examine this in relative terms, has the game as much to offer as it ever had? In fact, has it more to offer? And I’d say yes, it has. "We are seeing far more football now on television. People are seeing far more live games than they ever did. "The games that are being watched live now would never have been heard of in the 60s and 70s and 80s. How can you expect them to be of a standard of the ones that we saw at semi-final and final stages, which is all you did see?" At Congress earlier this month, O’Neill indicated the 2009 experimental disciplinary rules which included the sin-bin are to be reintroduced with some tweaks. Harte fears its return and claims discipline in inter-county football has never been better. "That’s looking for the negative. Whatever you look for, you’ll find more of. So let’s look for the positives that belong to our game, and flag them up." Interestingly, Cork manager Conor Counihan welcomes the idea of the sin-bin being reintroduced. "The sin-bin in its time, I thought, worked well. Some people panicked and pulled the plug." Following up his point on negativity, Harte believes the GAA should do more about increasing attendances than "complaining about them". He also believes hurling is officiated more in the spirit of the game whereas Gaelic football refereeing lacks consistency. Harte also reiterated his belief a Division 2 team is unlikely to win the All-Ireland title this year. "It’s still probably true. Because history says it’s true. When was it last done? (Armagh, 2002). Maybe it can be done once in a while. "But it would still hold true that the best teams play their football in Division 1, and it’s therefore most likely they’ll be the teams contesting the latter stages of the championship." Harte reports Tyrone’s players have done more work at this stage of the year than any of his nine previous seasons in charge. Boasting a 100% record for 2012, he feels the mix of young and old players is similar to when he took the reins in 2003. However, he added: "We’re a long way from achieving what we did in 2003, or any other successful year. But it’s a good signal that progress is being made, and being back in Division 1 is a success anyway. Not enough for people in Tyrone, but a degree of success." He also conceded he didn’t alter team preparations as much in previous years "maybe out of respect for people who had been with us for so long, and because they had proven in the past that they could choreograph the thing, and time their run in a different way". Harte confirmed Joe McMahon is out of Sunday’s Division 2 final with a hamstring strain. * The Ulster Council yesterday revealed they will drop the price of stand tickets for the provincial senior championship by 20% and terrace admission by 8%. Read more: http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/harte-slams-negativity-191788.html#ixzz1t9MQCBtw
frasiercrane (1,843 Posts)	Posted: 26-Apr-2012 13:49	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
frasiercrane (1,843 Posts)	Harte is 100% correct.Sadly the media do seem to have some sort of hatred for Gaelic football (for whatever reason) when you read the constant negative analysis it receives.
razor (7 Posts)	Posted: 26-Apr-2012 18:25	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
razor (7 Posts)	If you listen or watch the games online like I have to the negativity of the analysts on tv and radio would turn you off completely.the tv and radio stations should be promoting the games and trying to get people to tune in and listening to the likes of tommy carr,Spillane and Flynn in particular is hard work. We all know that Gaelic football is not great at the moment but complaining non stop about it does not help to promote it.croke park should have a word with the stations that carry the games and tell them to add some positivity to the broadcasts.one other point on the radio side of it Brian carthy is brutal when you listen to him you have no idea where abouts on the field the ball is at any time(way ou on the far side) about twenty times a game and his tone is always the same ,no excitement at all. Give me darragh moloney any day
worried (87 Posts)	Posted: 26-Apr-2012 18:52	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
worried (87 Posts)	Star gazer, I missed 2 All Irelands since 1969 ,Croke Park will always be filled for the final ,at least 50% will have no idea whats going on ,same as any major final for any code ,most people are missing the point ,Its not about Tyrone or Kerry ,its the negative football played by most teams nowdays,why would you spend very scarce money to travel long distance to watch this negative fare ,Best Football played over the last few years is by Crossmaglen,a joy to watch,Curtail the handpass,get rid of the stupid yellow card ,get rid of the ref accessors,Like any job you cant concentrate on the job in hand if there is someone looking over your shoulder,
frasiercrane (1,843 Posts)	Posted: 26-Apr-2012 19:18	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
frasiercrane (1,843 Posts)	Originally posted by worried: Star gazer, I missed 2 All Irelands since 1969 ,Croke Park will always be filled for the final ,at least 50% will have no idea whats going on ,same as any major final for any code ,most people are missing the point ,Its not about Tyrone or Kerry ,its the negative football played by most teams nowdays,why would you spend very scarce money to travel long distance to watch this negative fare ,Best Football played over the last few years is by Crossmaglen,a joy to watch,Curtail the handpass,get rid of the stupid yellow card ,get rid of the ref accessors,Like any job you cant concentrate on the job in hand if there is someone looking over your shoulder, There is so much football and tv nowadays that you are going to see more bad matches than you would in the past this applies to all sports.Soccer for me was way more entertaining in the mid ninties due to the novelty of having a live match to watch,the same applies to football these days where we get to see all the medicore teams that wouldnt have got near being shown on a TV in the past and so the novelty of having live football is wearing off even though the quality of play is no worse than in the past (contrary to what we are being told).Each time I look at all ireland gold I am disappointed as apparently those matches are supposed to be miles better than what we watch now but they aint. Pat Spillane who is the most high profile GAA media figure has ridiculously high standards and seems to think any match that isnt a pure classic isnt worth watching his criticism of some of the minor matches on RTE last years is proof of this, some of the games were really enjoyable but they werent good enough for Pat and so this puts across a negative image fo the game to all the people who watch. I cant wait for the first bad game shown on TV this summer and the ruidiculous reaction we will get from the media
ollscoil (2,616 Posts)	Posted: 26-Apr-2012 20:06	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
ollscoil (2,616 Posts)	Mickey Harte is spot on here. In fact I can't even understand why there is this negativity at all, sure there are some poor games but there have been plenty of great or good games too. Last years All Ireland final was very good and there were some excellent games on top of that, the year before was one of the best championships of all time. In the past 10 years or so we've had some of the best All Ireland finals played and great games liberally mixed in with those every season. Of course there are bad games too and all teams are more conscious of their defensive responsibilities but we still get many high scoring games with great action and skill. I'd be the first man to comment on some of the problems with football but they are over stated most of the time. The game has issues, not least among them the performance of refs, but it is a magnificent sport and provides the Irish public with more domestic entertainment than any other sport. It drives me absolutely cracked to hear the kind of rubbish Spillane and his ilk come out with and try pass off as analysis. Most IC games are played by teams who would have a combined pick of 200,000 - 300,000 people. So when you remove those unable, unwilling or ineligible to play mens IC football you have a good deal less potential players than that. Now add in the fact that these boys are amateurs and it is quite amazing the skill levels that are produced by many teams. Football is a far more skillful and difficult sport to master than most give it credit for. You'd think any fool could kick points from 40 yards if he'd only go out and practice a bit, or deliver a 30 yard angled pass to a moving target that is being marked to listen to some fellas. Get a buddy to hold a waste basket, send him 30 yards away and get him to run at angle, now try to kick an O'Neills into the basket and tell me how many times you get it out of 100 kicks, less than 5% I'd wager and I'm being generous at that. But that's what you have to do in games while being marked, with other players running about and at pace. Tis easy alright Pat you Muppet!!
side show bob (961 Posts)	Posted: 26-Apr-2012 20:38	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
side show bob (961 Posts)	Originally posted by cerebus: Lads that bitch on here rarely go to a GAA game bar an odd AI final when they take the ticket from some poor lad who has lined pitches and washed jerseys since the club was formed. They don't have the time especially when WE are playing in the Holy Grail of the Premiership. Jebus cerebus dont start getting all serious and normal on us, dont like it. That post makes sense, stop it. Red Angry Cork head for you.
tommyk (37 Posts)	Posted: 26-Apr-2012 21:17	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
tommyk (37 Posts)	Excellent post Boston Bruin re:Spillane. He has some neck criticising the overuse of the hand pass when the Kerry game was based around this in the 70s, maybe he is firmly rooted in the time warp that is the Dublin/Kerry love in which is perpetually spoke about on a yearly basis! And to think paying our hefty TV licence we are subjected to his crap analysis year in year out, there really needs to be a clear out of these analysts in RTE and fresh ideas and analysis brought in by intelligent people who can actually analyse games.

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