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Topic: Eire Og Inis allowed to have teams from ages 6-12.
banter200
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Posted: 02-May-2012 15:34
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Great news this morning that Eire og have been given permission to enter teams from the ages of 6-12 into competitions and also finally the Urban board has been scraped. Great news for the hurling in the town and also this will benefit the county as it is very important to have a strong hurling team in the capital. Onwards and Upwards for hurling in the town of Ennis. Eire Og Inis Abu.
Hidalgo
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Posted: 02-May-2012 17:32
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Was the urban board not giving more game-time to kids?
i.e was it not 4 teams comprising of the town, rather than just Eire óg on their own, which I assume won't be fielding 4 teams, thus less lads playing and more possibly falling through the cracks???
icarus
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Posted: 02-May-2012 17:49
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Back to blaming Eire Og fro the problem of the town.
There are two clubs in town and its up to both clubs to pull the finger out and do the work and make it attractive for the kids.
pegasusIII
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Posted: 02-May-2012 19:25
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im not saying its the wrong decision but hurling was hardly strong in the town before the urban board was brought in
johnny the fox
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Posted: 02-May-2012 23:05
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They were all ireland feile champions and lost the senior county final to the bridge after beating the previous all ireland club champions in the semi...maybe not strong but no walkover...won the senior football the same year with 6/7 dual players...Its a gaa club in an urban area with alot of distractions....Their happy tonight but the work in the next ten to fifteen years is the most important thing now not the past few years
Smallsquare Bigball
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Posted: 02-May-2012 23:06
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Typical, big threat to protest this evening. So how is it good that the urban boards are scrapped? Love the way you mention Hurling.....or are you admittinat there is a split in the club,,,,,,
banter200
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Posted: 03-May-2012 01:42
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i only mentioned hurling because hurling in Eire og is not in a good way at the moment but it is improving and football in Eire og is very strong at underage and at senior level. Eire og have won the u14 A football championship various times over the past few years and have won the u16 A football championship in 2010 and 2011 and are also very competitive at minor level. We have not won any underage hurling championships since 2005(excluding the u21 championship of 2010). Is my point proven 'smallsquare bigball'?.
Charlotte Gael
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Posted: 03-May-2012 09:48
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Fantastic news! Well done to Bob O'Brien and everybody else involved in putting a structure in place and then fighting the county board tooth and nail on the issue. It's also quite sad to look back over ten wasted years at underage level in Eire Og thanks to certain egos and vested interests at county board level, but hopefully the club can kick on from this and become the competitive and successful force it was in the past at underage and senior level hopefully.

I notice also that a lot of Urban Board supporters seem to have come out of the woodwork in recent posts around this topic. My question to you all is, if you are keen to have kids playing GAA in Ennis, why not just bring them up to the academy in Eire Og? Why not become involved in the academy yourself? Posters previously have stated that the UB was able to provide 4 teams for the kids. If the numbers are there, what is stopping Eire Og from entering A,B,C and D teams across the various grade levels, at each age level?

At least kids can then play at a level suitable to their ability, age etc. and not have the situation we had over the past 10 years where Urban Board units were getting hammered in various age grade competitions. Town leagues can also be run within Eire Og where kids can play for their town unit. Am I being overly simplistic in suggesting this????

On a final note, it is great to see the solidarity and spirit that this issue has raised within the club. It would be great to keep this going and see it transfer to the field of play and see some of the townie arrogance and cuteness from the past make a re-appearance.
KingKoolKat
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Posted: 03-May-2012 11:26
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Great news for Ennis GAA alright CG. Its a pity it dragged out so long and created more hassle than it should have.

With regards to your thinking of Eire Og having 4 teams in A,B,C,D, while this would be great for Eire Og I think it would be best for all parties if Eire Og had 2/3 teams with the Banner being able to provide 1/2.

The County board and The Banner should also see this as an opportunity to start affresh. The CB if they have any interest at all in GAA in Ennis should plough more resources into the Banner and leave Eire Og continue as they are as they seem to have the structures in place that the Banner do not.
KingKoolKat
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Posted: 03-May-2012 11:33
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Great news for Ennis GAA alright CG. Its a pity it dragged out so long and created more hassle than it should have.

With regards to your thinking of Eire Og having 4 teams in A,B,C,D, while this would be great for Eire Og I think it would be best for all parties if Eire Og had 2/3 teams with the Banner being able to provide 1/2.

The County board and The Banner should also see this as an opportunity to start affresh. The CB if they have any interest at all in GAA in Ennis should plough more resources into the Banner and leave Eire Og continue as they are as they seem to have the structures in place that the Banner do not.
Snoop99
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Posted: 04-May-2012 16:19
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Originally posted by Hidalgo:
Was the urban board not giving more game-time to kids?
i.e was it not 4 teams comprising of the town, rather than just Eire óg on their own, which I assume won't be fielding 4 teams, thus less lads playing and more possibly falling through the cracks???

Correct and there is not a hope that Eire Og field 4 teams at 8,10 or 12's, they simply don't have enough coaches to cater for extra few hundred new kids and anyway why would they want 4 teams at every grade?

Eire Og will try now to hoover up the best 5 players from each of the current UB teams. The average players will fall through the cracks once more and the overall participation will be lower than ever. More kids falling by the wayside is not what anyone wants.

Day one the main reason the UB was formed was to increase the participation in both football and hurling in Ennis which was very low in comparison to the overall population of the town currently 25K plus.

Ennis needs in truth is at least two strong clubs that can cater for a couple of teams at every grade with good coaching structures and facilities. The Banner club have a great chance to improve their club here if they have the foresight and sense to grasp it. Interesting times....
johnny the fox
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Posted: 04-May-2012 23:42
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Snoop you dont know ennis...gaa is about third or fourth interest in the town! Must agree county board need to throw funds at the banner to make them competitive.....funding should be three to one because they have some competition for kids interests....we will see now what the county board cares
Bannerabu
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Posted: 05-May-2012 00:08
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According to Clare FM the Banner & Urban Board are meeting next week with a view to setting up a NEW JUVENILE CLUB in Ennis.
This probably means the end of the Urban Board and Banner Minor Club. If this takes off it could be the best thing for GAA in Ennis and the County Board must now step up to the plate and support this new club
wazup
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Posted: 05-May-2012 06:57
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Co Board did everything in their power to stop and prevent Eire og from coaching kids in the last 5 years [if not 14 years]is that not discrimination.So if CB go and support Banner and ignore Eire og again is it not going to cause more resentment between clubs and Co. Board if they are to be favoring 1 over the other.They'r supposed to be impartial and support all clubs. The Banner will fail if they go and start whinging about help and unless they start doing it at grassroots themselves the whole thing will blow up in their faces again. Eire og feel hard done by, so if Co Board make it obvious they won't support them again and just Banner it won't be a level playing field again.
Charlotte Gael
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Posted: 05-May-2012 09:49
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I know I am laboring the point again, but why can't Eire Og enter 3-4 teams at different age levels? A lack of mentors was mentioned but already a large number of kids are being catered for in the academy. Separate teams (A,B,C,D) does not mean separate training for each team.

All the kids can be coached collectively and then separate mentors accompany them to each game. Again, if there were individuals in the Urban Board units interested in mentoring teams for the separate units, why don't they offer their services to Eire Og to do likewise. By providing teams at all these levels, you also provide opportunities for kids to play at their level.

Eire Og have consistently had A and B squads in the past at different age grades - is it really a stretch of the imagination to be able to the same with 4 teams?

Re the Banner and a new underage club in town, why should the Banner be consistently propped up? They have great facilities and have received lots of CB support in the past yet what have they achieved or done with this in the past twenty years? Why are the CB so keen to start up another new club in town to support underage? If they are so keen to see underage hurling thrive in town, they should finance a number of full time hurling coaches for Eire Og to use in schools etc. Instead of starting a new club, why not fully support an existing club with a proud tradition and heritage?

Eire Og need to take a hardline with what they do next. The academy is going strong, a number of older members who were previously disenchanted with the club are reconnecting and we are back up senior in hurling. It's time now to start getting a chip back on our shoulders and start showing the CB and Pat Fitz that we won't be pushed around as a club any more. And before any posters start trotting out the line about catering for as many kids as we can in the town, this can be achieved through supporting Eire Og and the academy. All it takes is for some egos to be checked at the gate and past experiences or misconceptions to be consigned to the past.
Bannerabu
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Posted: 05-May-2012 14:45
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If GAA is to thrive in town we need 2 vibrant clubs.
Great credit must be given to Eire Og for taking the bull by the horns 3 years ago and setting up the academy.
A possible merger between The Banner Minor Club & Urban Board must be welcomed and supported by the County Board in the form of providing coaches to work with Banner & UB coaches to help develop this new club/academy.
Anyone that thinks a young lad will want to line out for a clubs 3rd or 4th team just hasnt a clue. Just look as the Clare Schoolboys Soccer leagues you will see a club putting out 3/4 teams at U11 but by the time they get to U13 its down to 2 and 1 from U14 on.

Why would an urban board coach offer their services to Eire Og when they are being told for the past 3/4 years what a sh*t job they have been doing at coaching ?
Snoop99
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Posted: 05-May-2012 21:58
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by johnny the fox:
Snoop you dont know ennis...gaa is about third or fourth interest in the town! /QUOTE]

I live in town and my children play GAA, they are upset that they can no longer train/play with their club and their friends anymore. They of course don't understand why nor will many parents who are now dragged into this thru no fault of their own, their kids were playing the only game in town literally. I have heard from other concerned parents to watch out for possible bullying in schools, it seems sadly the Eire Og campaign has now been taken into the playground of the Ennis schools.

The county boards timing of this decision is dreadful, how they can suddenly decide that 4 juvenile teams are now illegal after 10 years in existence shows no regard for the children/parents and no respect for the people involved with those clubs.

I have followed this fiasco for a few years and it seems that the children are mere pawns is some political power-play between the CB and Eire Og. From speaking with some of the juvenile mentors that were involved with the UB they weary of the constant politics and the distraction it had all become. It is very evident that Eire Og have fought agressively and now have burned many bridges with those who were involved in the UB, Eire Og down the years have continually undermined their efforts and did everything they could to sabotages the UB efforts.

Eire Og is ultimately responsible for the dismantling of what the UB people worked very hard to establish. It would seem very naive to now expect the UB people/mentors to now row in behind Eire Og. Anyone close to this issue know full well that Eire Og could never cater for all the kids that played on the UB teams, therefore a second club option is the only answer. Now that Eire Og is allowed to enter underage teams, surely the Banner can now do the same.

The best outcome for GAA in Ennis is at least two strong clubs in town, this will increase participation. It is clearly that one club in a town of 25k could simply not cater for everyone. It is simple maths and hopefully a strong second club will finally provide a lasting solution to the unfortunate debacle
Snoop99
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Posted: 05-May-2012 22:08
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Originally posted by wazup:
Co Board did everything in their power to stop and prevent Eire og from coaching kids in the last 5 years [if not 14 years]is that not discrimination.So if CB go and support Banner and ignore Eire og again is it not going to cause more resentment between clubs and Co. Board if they are to be favoring 1 over the other.They'r supposed to be impartial and support all clubs. The Banner will fail if they go and start whinging about help and unless they start doing it at grassroots themselves the whole thing will blow up in their faces again. Eire og feel hard done by, so if Co Board make it obvious they won't support them again and just Banner it won't be a level playing field again.

The CB will no doubt support then Banners efforts to the last I would imagine, it is a solution to the problem of leaving currently hundreds of UB kids and mentors high and dry, which is what the CB have done by deeming the UB illegal. It is also be Pats Fitz and the CB revenge on Eire Og for the s**t storm they have now created. This should serves as a perfect lesson in GAA Politics. ;)
johnny the fox
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Posted: 05-May-2012 22:10
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The banner have always been able to enter a team...speaking to some eire og people they want the banner & ub to create a strong alternative as they just want gaa to thrive in town again...hope 2 strong clubs come about
icarus
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Posted: 05-May-2012 23:00
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Snoop99 did your UB officers and mentors tell you that they rejected the proposal that was on the table in Feb where An Boithrin/ Na Fianna were to be feeder clubs for the Banner and Naomh Flannan/D gCais to feed Eire OG. Both the parent clubs were to put in 15 coaches to coach and had to undertake coaching courses.
Did they tell you that Cyril Lyons did a report for the County Board on the state of hurling in Ennis and he made recommendations that should have been implemented by Sept '11. County Board failed again on this.
This time round Eire Og accepted the proposal the UB rejected don't know where the Banner stood on it. The proposal did not go through and Eire Og were asked to let the dust settle for a week. In the mean time the County Board pushed through the under age fixtures with no Eire Og or Banner.
Eire Og were backed into a corner and took to the GAA rule book and found a themselves a case. The County Board frustrated them by putting them off and off but eventually it was heard and they won the appeal.
Its not entirely fair to say that Eire Og dismantled the UB , all parties play some part in it but the book stops with the County Board.
You said that Eire Og constantly undermined the efforts and did everything they could to sabotages the UB efforts.
The question i ask you how many Eire Og men are past Chairman of the UB ?
busdriver
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Posted: 06-May-2012 00:26
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does this decision signify a new start for eire og hurling or will history repeat itself and will eire og let hurling die in the town again?
i hope its the former and not the latter.
eire og should approach the existing mentors with the urban board and invite them along with their players to join the academy and help improve hurling in the town and all this agro should be consigned to the past .
however eire og like most institutions are very slow to embrace change
i wish them luck with it
johnny the fox
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Posted: 06-May-2012 01:34
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Busdriver from watching previous posts your an eire og hater....icarus you summed it up really well..im anti soccer....for gaa to suceed cannot believe the crap going on....two strong clubs better than 4 underperforming units..14c c eire og and 14d banner teams the proof....it may not be the answer but what happened until now a disaster....im hearing ub and banner using kids now as pawns to undermine eire og and keep the row that isnt really there if you look at their reason why
Snoop99
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Posted: 06-May-2012 01:58
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Originally posted by icarus:
Snoop99 did your UB officers and mentors tell you that they rejected the proposal that was on the table in Feb where An Boithrin/ Na Fianna were to be feeder clubs for the Banner and Naomh Flannan/D gCais to feed Eire OG. Both the parent clubs were to put in 15 coaches to coach and had to undertake coaching courses.
Did they tell you that Cyril Lyons did a report for the County Board on the state of hurling in Ennis and he made recommendations that should have been implemented by Sept '11. County Board failed again on this.
This time round Eire Og accepted the proposal the UB rejected don't know where the Banner stood on it. The proposal did not go through and Eire Og were asked to let the dust settle for a week. In the mean time the County Board pushed through the under age fixtures with no Eire Og or Banner.
Eire Og were backed into a corner and took to the GAA rule book and found a themselves a case. The County Board frustrated them by putting them off and off but eventually it was heard and they won the appeal.
Its not entirely fair to say that Eire Og dismantled the UB , all parties play some part in it but the book stops with the County Board.
You said that Eire Og constantly undermined the efforts and did everything they could to sabotages the UB efforts.
The question i ask you how many Eire Og men are past Chairman of the UB ?

Yes I've seen the proposal put forward in Feb, and is rejected by all the UB teams and it was also rejected the previous Nov also. The proposal was the same proposal with a few new additions from the November version and no discussion or questions of any type was allowed by the CB.

There were some good points but many where issues clarity was needed (Football and transfers was just two issues) and in the absence of answers it was pig in poke and was destined to fail. It was simply a take it or leave that the CB, who wanted to ram it through without any further discussion. The proposal was brinkmanship by the CB and again the timing was again terrible, with the fixture list being due. The proposal might well been adopted if the CB, and other parties could have more flexible and engaged with the UB teams to answer questions and ally fears, why were they not willing to do this? You would wonder.

There has down the years been several such reports and recommendation on juvenile GAA in Ennis that have been ignore and not acted on by various parties, Cyril Lyons is only one such report and recommendation.
Snoop99
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Posted: 06-May-2012 02:21
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Originally posted by johnny the fox:
two strong clubs better than 4 underperforming units..14c c eire og and 14d banner teams the proof....it may not be the answer but what happened until now a disaster....im hearing ub and banner using kids now as pawns to undermine eire og and keep the row that isnt really there if you look at their reason why

There was certainly good and bad in the UB at different stages over that last 10 years, however they all seem to get painted with the same brush (a disaster) by those whose agenda is suits.

Sadly Eire Og involved their kids in this row, by posts on facebook and here and asking rallying them to protest outside Cusack park last Wednesday. I believe it was irresponsible roping in children to the protest, the kids should be let play their games and not be used to further the political aims of Eire Og club. Adults on all sides should have enough sense to resolve their differences and get past them and no doubt in the end they will, but roping in kids in the debate inevitable leads to taunting and bullying of other kids who play with different teams in the same school.

Parents and clubs official on all sides would do well to leave the gaa politics to the adults, and leave the kids out of it.
This message has been edited - 06-may-2012 @ 02:24
johnny the fox
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Posted: 06-May-2012 03:15
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Read above snoop 14c answer 14d.......beginning to think your a clown and you miss your power and ego as an urban club nothing...get balls and align to a gaa club and drive it forward thats what the town needs now

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