This message has been edited - 03-may-2012 @ 18:31

Originally posted by Hitch:

I think he should because it's a festering sore for the people who were abused by that horrible yoke, Smyth.I know that resigning is not the done thing in Ireland but it's time for him to walk at this stage.

Originally posted by flattythehurdler:
In any case, if you were a teacher in a schoooland had very strong first hand evidence that a rampant vicious child abuser was molesting children and remained in a position in which to do so, and simply reported this to your line manager who did nothing, do you really feel it is morally defensible for you to then sit back and allow this behaviour to potentially procede unchecked? Really?

Originally posted by labane1917:
The fundamental issue is the Catholic church still does not accept the laws of the countries they operate in, an absolute mockery of the legal system. This is clearly seen in the recent statement on the sancity of the confessional. To think that the best the Church could do was leave Smyth to continue his monstrous acts and swear his victims to secrecy tells the whole sordid story. Everyone involved in the cover up should be prosecuted, resignation from his post is a red herring.

Originally posted by dubliner 2:
If I saw nothing being done then I would insist something was done, report it to the police or something but the notion going around that one should be making phone calls and warning people off your own bat? Because that's what's being suggested here.You could argue that Brady is trotting out the "I was only following orders" line and maybe he is.To be honest I'm reviewing what I wrote above. I don't know if he should resign or not. Would it make any difference?I'd sooner see the state put the boot straight into the church and kick them out of every school in the country and have a secular education system. That might be a far more beneficial thing to do and it might make a far stronger point. I think if I were a victim it would please me far more than just having a man resign a position in an organisation I despised anyway.

Originally posted by inbetweeners:
What law did the Cardinal brake? You might learn the laws of the land before pontificating about them.

Originally posted by inbetweeners:

So because of the actions of a tiny minority you drive the boot into all Catholics just to make a point?

Originally posted by dubliner 2:
No.My Principal is the designated liason person for any child protection concerns I have. I report to him. Were I to go ringing people off my own bat about my suspisions not only would it be morally wrong but I might imperil a successful prosecution of someone who is guilty of an offence because, like it or not, there are proceedures to be followed and offenders (and indeed those who may not have committed an offence) have rights.I, for one, am not mad about the idea of living in a country where everyone who has a suspicion is allowed/supposed to/compelled to warn others. The danger of innocents being hauled over the coals is too great.Brady passed it along as he was supposed to. Maybe he should have followed it up. But more to the point the people who were in charge should have acted. If my Principal did not act on my information then why should I resign? He's the one charged, legally, with acting in accordance with proceedure.If it weren't so serious you'd have to laugh at Quinn and Shatter et al because if people were to act in the way that they suggest Brady should have they would almost certainly find themselves in legal trouble over possible libel/breech of proceedure/contempt of court etc.

Originally posted by Sligonian:
Jees D2 that is the most ignorant sick posts i have ever seen on any forum. Is it any wonder in schools throughout ireland Bullies are causing suicides and getting let off the hook. Where is your conscience where is your compassion for the Victims. this scum brady knew exactly what he was doin, the ones that did speak got demoted and he rised up the order on the basis on his silence. Would it have effected the investigation if he told the families...the poor families who let the devil into there homes. If this happened your kid, what would u expect of those who knew???? but didnt happen you or your kid so you dont give a fck, and you can stick your procedures up your hole...this was clear cut case, they all knew he was guilty, there was no question there ffs. Jees with people like D2 theres no doubt in my mind a blind eye is still being turned to this barbaric satanic torture on victims. When will Irish people wake up.

This message has been edited - 04-may-2012 @ 00:11

Originally posted by dubliner 2:
What is ignorant and sick about it? That I don't want people to have free rein to make accusations to all and sundry. That there are proceedures in place that should be followed? That people should not be villified because accusations have been made? That they should have a right to fair proceedure? How dare you say I don't give a ----. How dare you. Where do you get from my post that I don't give a ----? I spend my life making sure that kids have a safe environment in which to grow and learn and you can be damn sure if I felt that one was being abused in any ay I would take the proper and appropriate steps to make sure it was dealt with BECAUSE THAT IS THE LAW OF THE LAND AND I SUBSCRIBE TO IT.My view on this is informed by what happened to two men, both of whom were subsequently cleared of sickening allegations against them. One of them had his life and his career destroyed by malicious allegations. The other was cleared too late. He took his own life under the strain of the villification he was subjected to.Children aren't the only victims in this and you'd do well to remember that. We ALL have rights. Including Sean Brady and just remember that if he can be tried by the media then so can anyone.This will be my last comment on this matter as it is clear that there are people on here whose justice would involve vigilante groups stringing people up without fear or favour.You'd want to take a long hard look at yourselves.