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loughcurraman (1,456 Posts)	Posted: 07-May-2012 23:23	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
loughcurraman (1,456 Posts)	It will be very interesting to see what he will decide in the next 24 hours. Will he resign from Fianna Fail ? My hunch is that he will , and if he does the next step could well be for him to find some sort of home in Sinn Fein ( seems to be seeing things a lot like them recently , and of course has said that he saw SF as a suitable coalition partner for FF). Obviously his staunch conservatism would mean that he would stick out like a sore thumb in SF at present but it seems to me SF want to be "all things to all men" as much as FF ever did and they will probably transmute into a kind of FF in the medium term. Would be something if the wheel turns full circle and O Cuiv joined the party his grandfather was president of before founding FF! This message has been edited - 07-may-2012 @ 23:32
let it long (1,214 Posts)	Posted: 08-May-2012 00:06	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
let it long (1,214 Posts)	Originally posted by loughcurraman: It will be very interesting to see what he will decide in the next 24 hours. Will he resign from Fianna Fail ? My hunch is that he will , and if he does the next step could well be for him to find some sort of home in Sinn Fein ( seems to be seeing things a lot like them recently , and of course has said that he saw SF as a suitable coalition partner for FF). Obviously his staunch conservatism would mean that he would stick out like a sore thumb in SF at present but it seems to me SF want to be "all things to all men" as much as FF ever did and they will probably transmute into a kind of FF in the medium term. Would be something if the wheel turns full circle and O Cuiv joined the party his grandfather was president of before founding FF! Yep, SF are slowly gravitating towards the center. They know its no longer enough to be the party of the council estates if they really are to make an impact nationally. Could be a year or two before I could see O' Cuiv try to slip in there. He'd probably fancy a year or two of the "party leaders allowance" before he jumps on board too.
carryharry (4,804 Posts)	Posted: 08-May-2012 00:11	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
carryharry (4,804 Posts)	The only major decision for this lizard is which rock he should climb back under imo!
theface2010 (3,490 Posts)	Posted: 08-May-2012 09:07	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
theface2010 (3,490 Posts)	Will he stay or will he go? A nation holds its breath.... Who gives a fcuk whether this man of no substance leaves a dying party? The sleveen is doing a good job of keeping himself in the spotlight in fairness when most people couldn't give a flying fcuk what anyone in the Failures is up to. I would say the money men in Frankfurt and Paris are watching this situation very closely to see how this great thinker is going to lean on this particular sticky situation.
zozimus (367 Posts)	Posted: 08-May-2012 09:20	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
zozimus (367 Posts)	What is it with DeValeras and treaties?
Rebel CNC (4,232 Posts)	Posted: 08-May-2012 09:42	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Rebel CNC (4,232 Posts)	Originally posted by zozimus: What is it with DeValeras and treaties? ..and once again they shaft a Cork man over a treaty. If I was Micky Martin, I wouldn't be going for any drives around West Cork in the near future.
model fan (520 Posts)	Posted: 08-May-2012 09:42	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
model fan (520 Posts)	What a pity this newly discovered back bone of O'Cuiv's hadn't manifested itelf during the days when his then leader (Ahern) was travelling the globe collecting 'donations','loans' and 'gifts' from an assorted lot of shady characters. I think he will discover, to his shock, that the good people of Galway west will prefer to see the SFP cheque from Europe coming through the letterbox than monumental musings from the mind of one Eamon O'Cuiv.
Prof Honeydew (748 Posts)	Posted: 08-May-2012 11:38	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Prof Honeydew (748 Posts)	I'm not sure what message Dev Og will be pushing if he decides to go it alone but there is certainly a home for much of what divides him from the current leadership of Fianna Fail. As a former member of the Party, I haven't a clue what it stands for any more as those at the top are trying to wipe the last thirty years from history in their attempt to please whatever issue that gets the thumbs-up from the pollsters of Dublin 4. A lot of it appears to come from pop-up spokesthings who hold no position other than the patronage of the current leader. The most startling demonstration of how empty the Party has become was this year's Ard Fheis. More time and more exposure were devoted to gay marriage than to any other issue. Wtf was the leadership at? Whatever one's views are on that particular issue, surely there are more important matters that the Party can take a position on. I don't think I'd be alone in thinking that there is plenty Fianna Fail can be proud of over the past thirty years. We took a country that was on its knees in the 1980s and transformed it not just materially but psychologically as well. For the first time in my lifetime, Ireland didn't run away from tackling things properly instead of settling for the most penny-pinching solution or fighting the Civil War all over again in order not to displease the British. Look at the ceasefire, the motorways, the railways. There real real achievements that would never have happened if the country had been run by the Fine Gael/Labour coalitions that spawned the dead hand of the 1950s, 1970s and 1980s and seem to be pointed once again in the same direction. Sure, things got out of hand and it'll a fair while to clear the debris. But I defy anyone to say that the response of the Cowen administration after the crash was less effective than that of the present Government. They had the guts to take hard decisions, didn't hold hostages to fortune and didn't distort everything with spin. Of course, that wasn't good enough for those who couldn't take the heat and are now trying to airbrush away their association with the previous administration. If people want to lead Fianna Fail, they should at least respect the constituency that created it. In that regard, I'd have far more time Eamonn O Cuiv that I'd have for the likes of Micheal Martin, Mary Hanafin and that whiney little coward hiding behind his moustache. And if Sean Gallagher's vote in the Presidential Election is anything to go by, that constituency hasn't gone away.
Pas de Deux (1,285 Posts)	Posted: 08-May-2012 12:04	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Pas de Deux (1,285 Posts)	Originally posted by Prof Honeydew: Sure, things got out of hand and it'll a fair while to clear the debris. But I defy anyone to say that the response of the Cowen administration after the crash was less effective than that of the present Government. They had the guts to take hard decisions, didn't hold hostages to fortune and didn't distort everything with spin. And some debris it was too !! And it was only right that the Cowen administration would attempt to clean up the mess they made - only problem is it will take a generation to fix it and in the meantime the resulting collateral damage is crushing blameless families all over the country. I wouldn't be seeking credit for taking hard decisions long after the damage was done.
Rebel CNC (4,232 Posts)	Posted: 08-May-2012 12:05	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Rebel CNC (4,232 Posts)	Originally posted by Prof Honeydew: .... But I defy anyone to say that the response of the Cowen administration after the crash was less effective than that of the present Government. They had the guts to take hard decisions, didn't hold hostages to fortune and didn't distort everything with spin. The hard decisions were down to Lenihan. When he proposed rowing back some of the benchmarking awards, Cowen and M Martin were willing to listen to some barmy union proposals to allow public servants take a few weeks unpaid holiday for next two or three years rather than a pay cut. Dev Og was as commited to costly social partnership model as Cowen or Bertie or indeed as was current leader.
Sleekit (76 Posts)	Posted: 08-May-2012 13:21	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Sleekit (76 Posts)	He should have been immediately sacked from his party when he suggested the courtship of IRA/Sinn Fein.
jamesp (32 Posts)	Posted: 08-May-2012 13:24	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
jamesp (32 Posts)	Does anyone really care what he does? What will it mean to anyone if he stays and what will it mean to anyone if he goes? Nothing and nothing.
Hitch (3,644 Posts)	Posted: 08-May-2012 13:29	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Hitch (3,644 Posts)	He gave us Daingean Uí Chúis FFS, didn't he? Oh cón, tis dancing at the crossroads we'll be entirely!
Blanco (7,909 Posts)	Posted: 08-May-2012 14:15	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Blanco (7,909 Posts)	Originally posted by jamesp: Does anyone really care what he does? What will it mean to anyone if he stays and what will it mean to anyone if he goes? Nothing and nothing. As far as I know he is the only backbencher in FF , I think the rest of them have some kind of shadow or opposition cabinet job. So if he resigns it will mean a mass resignation of the whole FF backbench.
let it long (1,214 Posts)	Posted: 08-May-2012 16:07	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
let it long (1,214 Posts)	Originally posted by Prof Honeydew: Look at the ceasefire, the motorways, the railways. . Ha, the roads. They keep claiming this and shur they're not even paid for. They were a PPP. Theres 20 - 30 yrs worth of tolling on them before they're paid for. Like everything else with FF even they were put on tick and we'll be paying for them for some time to come.
T_de_B (3,147 Posts)	Posted: 08-May-2012 16:19	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
T_de_B (3,147 Posts)	When I see the incessant whinging from you shower, I'm even more sorry that we didn't go the whole hog and end up like Somalia. That would soon fúcking quieten ye. Ó'Cuív is a sound man and I would defy any of ye to state face to face with him the puerile nonsense ye spout from behind ye'er internet pseudonymns.
Rebel CNC (4,232 Posts)	Posted: 08-May-2012 16:22	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Rebel CNC (4,232 Posts)	Any news from the great man (sic) as to what he's doing. New party? Moving to SF/IRA? Leadership challenge? The world markets are on tenderhooks, awaiting his solemn announcement. Obama has Air Force 1 on standby and has dispatched a carrier force to Achill to deal with the potential chaos that it will bring!!
theface2010 (3,490 Posts)	Posted: 08-May-2012 16:29	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
theface2010 (3,490 Posts)	Originally posted by T_de_B: When I see the incessant whinging from you shower, I'm even more sorry that we didn't go the whole hog and end up like Somalia.That would soon fúcking quieten ye.Ó'Cuív is a sound man and I would defy any of ye to state face to face with him the puerile nonsense ye spout from behind ye'er internet pseudonymns. Define "sound man" please. Do you think he did a good job when his party when in power? Maybe you could enlighten us as to some of the highlights of his achievements.
carryharry (4,804 Posts)	Posted: 08-May-2012 16:33	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
carryharry (4,804 Posts)	Would i hazard a guess you hail for O'Cuiv country TdeB? He is as bad as what went before him and jumping ship now is proof of it. He can squirm but he can't hide, the electorate will catch up with him eventually. I admire your defense of the poor aul chap though!
Yojimbo (13,949 Posts)	Posted: 08-May-2012 16:33	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Yojimbo (13,949 Posts)	A Nation Holds Its Collective Breath! (Not!)
T_de_B (3,147 Posts)	Posted: 08-May-2012 17:06	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
T_de_B (3,147 Posts)	Originally posted by theface2010: Define "sound man" please. Do you think he did a good job when his party when in power? Maybe you could enlighten us as to some of the highlights of his achievements. Well, Face, he's one of the few TD's of any party I actually met down the years. Himself and Jack Wall, the Kildare South Labour TD. Two more self effacing and sounder men you will not find. At least, that was my opinion of them.
Hitch (3,644 Posts)	Posted: 08-May-2012 17:36	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Hitch (3,644 Posts)	He bottled it.
carryharry (4,804 Posts)	Posted: 08-May-2012 17:36	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
carryharry (4,804 Posts)	A nice little climb down there Eamonn.
let it long (1,214 Posts)	Posted: 08-May-2012 17:36	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
let it long (1,214 Posts)	Originally posted by T_de_B: Well, Face, he's one of the few TD's of any party I actually met down the years.Himself and Jack Wall, the Kildare South Labour TD.Two more self effacing and sounder men you will not find.At least, that was my opinion of them. He's a spineless twat and he's proven that numerous times down through the years. The fact that the rest are as bad doesn't excuse that and it doesn't matter a jot what he's like down the pub. This message has been edited - 08-may-2012 @ 17:37
Rebel CNC (4,232 Posts)	Posted: 08-May-2012 17:38	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Rebel CNC (4,232 Posts)	Originally posted by Hitch: He bottled it. Just like his grandfather did in 1916!!!

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