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Topic: Shannon Airport gone from DAA to Shannon Enterprise - Positive or Negative??
Tom Graney
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Posted: 09-May-2012 12:06
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Discuss

Can't be bad in my humble opinion
claas
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Posted: 09-May-2012 13:04
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Has to be a good thing, The suffocation of Shannon would never stop with the DAA in charge.
N16
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Posted: 09-May-2012 13:17
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Very much a positive thing and should have happened 5 years ago.
But I have heard that there are, shall we say, certain "restrictions" being placed on Shannon Airport in terms of what carriers they can go after - anyone know anything about that?
Tom Graney
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Posted: 09-May-2012 16:22
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Hopefully N16 Ryanair aren't happy though!!
insiderrua
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Posted: 09-May-2012 16:27
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Alot of noise has been coming from local councillors ,local hotels looking for Shannon to be set free from DAA ...but is it really a good thing will there be more flights ???.

Shannons future will lie in attracting in airlines to use the CBP facilities going to the states ...

It will not lie with Ryanair ..The Ryanair model did not work in Shannon due to the fact that they did not want to pay and the demise of the Celtic Tiger ..

Ryanair will frighten off any low cost carrier as they still have a base in shannon with one aircraft.

Time will tell but they will find it very hard to attract new customers
ljk
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Posted: 09-May-2012 16:29
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i would liken it to jumping out of the fire and into a smaller one, better this way but the best way would be some private i know he's tough but ryanair i would think would be best if they were interested.They'd get rid of all the usual public service type practices and after strife and conflict for maybe a year or so then would provide full time solid employment for many more than are working there now.
insiderrua
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Posted: 09-May-2012 16:38
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ljk it is not quiet as simple as that. This wont be sorted in weeks it will take at least 6 to 12 months to sort out .
squareba11
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Posted: 09-May-2012 16:44
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Well at least Ryanair would use the airport regularly. Shannon airport is like a ghost town most of the time with only a few flights going in and out. Shannon Enterprise can't be any worse than DAA anyway please God. Hopefully they will get more carriers and routes. The mid-west needs Shannon Airport to be busy.
Bicycle Kick
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Posted: 09-May-2012 16:48
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Great news!
For years Shannon has been leeching off Dublin Airport and holding back its development.
Remember the compulsory Shannon stopover of trans-Atlantic flights?
The ultimate in parochial, parish pump, rural fcukwittery. Forcing people who didn't to go to Shannon to land there. P1ssing off millions of bemused American visitors to Ireland.

Also the reason long range flights can't take off and land from Dublin is because the runway in Dublin Airport wasn't allowed to be made any longer due to the Shannon lobby.

Shannon became obsolete once the aircraft doing trans-Atlantic flights lengthened their range. It should have gotten a decent burial years ago, but hopefully it will now.
bp
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Posted: 09-May-2012 16:57
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Originally posted by Bicycle Kick:
Great news!
For years Shannon has been leeching off Dublin Airport and holding back its development.
Remember the compulsory Shannon stopover of trans-Atlantic flights?
The ultimate in parochial, parish pump, rural fcukwittery. Forcing people who didn't to go to Shannon to land there. P1ssing off millions of bemused American visitors to Ireland.Also the reason long range flights can't take off and land from Dublin is because the runway in Dublin Airport wasn't allowed to be made any longer due to the Shannon lobby.Shannon became obsolete once the aircraft doing trans-Atlantic flights lengthened their range. It should have gotten a decent burial years ago, but hopefully it will now.

I was near you it wouldn't be the bicycle that'd get the kick
ljk
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Posted: 09-May-2012 17:18
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Originally posted by insiderrua:
ljk it is not quiet as simple as that. This wont be sorted in weeks it will take at least 6 to 12 months to sort out .

don't understand what you're trying to say to me insiderrua can you explain more pls.
N16
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Posted: 09-May-2012 17:27
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Originally posted by Bicycle Kick:
Great news!
For years Shannon has been leeching off Dublin Airport and holding back its development.
Remember the compulsory Shannon stopover of trans-Atlantic flights?
The ultimate in parochial, parish pump, rural fcukwittery. Forcing people who didn't to go to Shannon to land there. P1ssing off millions of bemused American visitors to Ireland.Also the reason long range flights can't take off and land from Dublin is because the runway in Dublin Airport wasn't allowed to be made any longer due to the Shannon lobby.Shannon became obsolete once the aircraft doing trans-Atlantic flights lengthened their range. It should have gotten a decent burial years ago, but hopefully it will now.

The best news of all would be of course if Shannon Airport was allowed to charge its own taxes on inbound flights and duty free. Why anyone would want to visit a second rate city infested with filth like Dublin is beyond me. A rip off beyond compare with nothing going for it outside of a trip to the Guinness brewery or tourists crammed into Temple Bar, full of fake pubs. Now hopefully they will be able to come and see the real Ireland through the gateway in Shannon and leave Dublin to fester away.
Bicycle Kick
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Posted: 09-May-2012 17:35
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Originally posted by N16:
The best news of all would be of course if Shannon Airport was allowed to charge its own taxes on inbound flights and duty free. Why anyone would want to visit a second rate city infested with filth like Dublin is beyond me. A rip off beyond compare with nothing going for it outside of a trip to the Guinness brewery or tourists crammed into Temple Bar, full of fake pubs. Now hopefully they will be able to come and see the real Ireland through the gateway in Shannon and leave Dublin to fester away.

The failure of the forced stopover at Shannon shows how much of a market there is for non-Dublin tourism.

A great day for Dublin Airport, no longer having to fork out €8 million a year to support a white elephant airport built in a Clare swamp.
rebelrebel30
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Posted: 09-May-2012 17:41
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Originally posted by Tom Graney:
DiscussCan't be bad in my humble opinion

In my view its a very good thing long term for the greater shannon region, ye will have control and a say in the strategic long term viablitity and planning of the airport going forward far better that than some civil servant sitting on his arse in dublin airport and giving you crumbs from the table and dictating what and what you cant do..as is the case for Cork Airport unfortionately.

I cant understand why we dont have 3 independently run airports in this country in competition with each other..The DAA remind me of the old Soviet union..they want utter control of everything and long term they stimify growth for the airports.
insiderrua
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Posted: 09-May-2012 17:42
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I wont even lower myself to reply to Bicycle kick .ljk There has been no consulatation with the Staff in shannon regarding this proposal. There is over 200 DAA staff members in Shannon. Also these staff pay in to a pension fund which is 700million in deficit .This needs to be sorted before any new authority takes over the airport.
N16
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Posted: 09-May-2012 17:46
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Originally posted by Bicycle Kick:
The failure of the forced stopover at Shannon shows how much of a market there is for non-Dublin tourism.A great day for Dublin Airport, no longer having to fork out €8 million a year to support a white elephant airport built in a Clare swamp.

A great day for Clare - finally able to master our own destiny. That airport was doing fine until the greed of big business in that kip of an eastern town got their hands on it, but it's over now thankfully.
As for Dublin as a tourist destination - you'd wnat to be on drugs like the rest of the junies in that glorified town to think so.
Arkle
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Posted: 09-May-2012 18:41
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If I had a penny for every American over the years that told we they had just been to Ireland and when you ask them what did they get up to they'd say they got off the plane in Dublin, rented a car and drove all the across the country to the west/southwest/northwest. When you ask them why they didn't just fly into Shannon, they say they had no idea you could do that. Granted, it isn't as bad these days with the motorways, but until recently they'd waste the better part of a day getting out of Dublin crawling their way across the country. Fly into Shannon and you'd have hiked half the Burren before lunch time.
I know it's hard for Dubs to hear, but as cities go tis hardly a major attraction, and it's not the main reason tourists come to Ireland.
Larkin
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Posted: 09-May-2012 18:42
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Having experience of working with Shannon Development I hold no hope for the airport. Maybe it has changed since my time there, but I doubt it very much.
Yojimbo
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Posted: 09-May-2012 18:57
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More well-paid jobs for politically well-connected bluffers!
Larkin
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Posted: 09-May-2012 19:02
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Originally posted by Yojimbo:
More well-paid jobs for politically well-connected bluffers!

Nail on the head there, Jimbo.
Speebs
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Posted: 09-May-2012 20:11
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The jury is out. The notion of a campus is pure hogwash. Soundbites. The key for Shannon airport is to get more people in on a regular basis.
The advantage is a local organisation will finally have to deliver a strategy that brings more flights into shannon airport.
The disadvantage is that they lose powers to other quangos.
With all politics and quangos being local it will be interesting to see if the midwest has enough clout in Failte Ireland, the IDA, Enterprise Ireland etc.
ProjX
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Posted: 09-May-2012 20:12
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Originally posted by Tom Graney:
DiscussCan't be bad in my humble opinion

Fantastic news for Limerick and the Limerick region.

This has been on the cards for some time and If my sources are right, there could be some really exciting developments in the pipeline.
LimerickExileInClare
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Posted: 09-May-2012 21:33
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Larkin
Obviously you have a very poor opinion of Shannon Development but it is only part of the new entity and in fairness to the company it played a strong role in the past in helping to develop new enterprises and tourism products many of which prospered,giving good employment and making a making a major contribution to the economic prosperity of the Shannon Region.
I have been a critic of company from time to time but it's done more good than harm and there were many solid people employed there who did their level best for the Region.
Methinks that you didn't have a very happy time during your sojourn in the semi state sector ! Anyway what matters most is that the Shannon Region is revitalised lets hope that this new entity will kick start that process. Time will tell.
theface2010
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Posted: 09-May-2012 21:51
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Originally posted by N16:
The best news of all would be of course if Shannon Airport was allowed to charge its own taxes on inbound flights and duty free. Why anyone would want to visit a second rate city infested with filth like Dublin is beyond me. A rip off beyond compare with nothing going for it outside of a trip to the Guinness brewery or tourists crammed into Temple Bar, full of fake pubs. Now hopefully they will be able to come and see the real Ireland through the gateway in Shannon and leave Dublin to fester away.

You're a gas man Eaststand. Moved to London so now feel free to run down every part of Ireland outside your beloved Clare. There is plenty of lovely spots in Dublin with rough spots as well just like there are plenty of sh1tholes, council estates, d1ckheads, junkies, murderers and skum in your beloved London.

Talking about junkies is all well good if you weren't talking about how all your English mates spent their time organising gang fights or being in prison for stabbing people-I'd prefer to hang out with some of the ghouls on Abbey Street than some of your crew by the sounds of things. Get down off your high horse lad it doesn't suit a man with your obvious violent tendencies.
Larkin
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Posted: 09-May-2012 21:58
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Originally posted by LimerickExileInClare:
Larkin
Obviously you have a very poor opinion of Shannon Development but it is only part of the new entity and in fairness to the company it played a strong role in the past in helping to develop new enterprises and tourism products many of which prospered,giving good employment and making a making a major contribution to the economic prosperity of the Shannon Region.
I have been a critic of company from time to time but it's done more good than harm and there were many solid people employed there who did their level best for the Region.
Methinks that you didn't have a very happy time during your sojourn in the semi state sector ! Anyway what matters most is that the Shannon Region is revitalised lets hope that this new entity will kick start that process. Time will tell.

I don't doubt that there are good people in SD but from my experience there are too many career civil servants who not only can't but won't ever have an original thought in their heads. The reason for this is that they will all say the right things politically and a lot of the good that they do is done by default rather than any other way. I remember that during the Tiger years when this crowd controlled the bar down by King John's Castle. It lost money hand over fist because of the incredible way these people could charge their expenses after driving all the way from Shannon for lunch. I also had the misfortune to have to work under the instruction of one or two of them and to say they were clueless would be a compliment, they were given jobs because they couldn't be fired it was as simple as that.

I hope this works because the region is like a wasteland as it is never mind if the airport was to collapse.

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