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James Horan. Mayo
worried
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11-May-2012 11:43
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I see in todays Examiner the bould James comes out strongly against Liam o Neill for calling Gaelic Football BORING, will these managers ever get the picture ,It is in the present form as boring as cricket,Coming from a Mayo manager whos team put everyone to sleep with their league final performance is a bit rich,Of course there is more bad games than good games ,this was always the case and always will be,its not about the games ,its about the product on display ,League final Sunday 4 super fit athletic teams running up and down the pitch all day passing the ball 2 yards to each other ,If we want to watch athletics we will go to Belfield.Most of my friends who are great GAA men turned it off,John Prenty of the Connacht Council announces that attendance prices will drop by 5euro this year and is hoping for fine weather as the attendance last year was down 10,000.Is he away with the fairies ?If we get fine weather the crowds will be smaller ,If they left the people in free it will make no difference ,People wont waste the few bob they have on a near fatally damaged product ,Its only lifeline is if Eugene Mc Gee and his commitee can come up with something to curtail the handpass
theface2010
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11-May-2012 12:55
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Did they not dig up the running track in Belfield?
carryharry
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11-May-2012 12:58
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You're a right bindle of positivity aren't you!
The Badger
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11-May-2012 13:05
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I cant wait for the championship.
frasiercrane
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11-May-2012 13:25
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I think worried may be Martin Breheny in disguise.Isnt this your second rant in the space of a few weeks along roughly the same lines.
ballygowan
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11-May-2012 13:40
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Originally posted by worried:
I see in todays Examiner the bould James comes out strongly against Liam o Neill for calling Gaelic Football BORING, will these managers ever get the picture ,It is in the present form as boring as cricket,Coming from a Mayo manager whos team put everyone to sleep with their league final performance is a bit rich,Of course there is more bad games than good games ,this was always the case and always will be,its not about the games ,its about the product on display ,League final Sunday 4 super fit athletic teams running up and down the pitch all day passing the ball 2 yards to each other ,If we want to watch athletics we will go to Belfield.Most of my friends who are great GAA men turned it off,John Prenty of the Connacht Council announces that attendance prices will drop by 5euro this year and is hoping for fine weather as the attendance last year was down 10,000.Is he away with the fairies ?If we get fine weather the crowds will be smaller ,If they left the people in free it will make no difference ,People wont waste the few bob they have on a near fatally damaged product ,Its only lifeline is if Eugene Mc Gee and his commitee can come up with something to curtail the handpass
I'm more worried about your abuse of the humble comma
johnny cash
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11-May-2012 21:02
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i dont think football is an unenjoyable as some people make out.
I have enjoyed many football games in recent seasons. Even Dublin versus Donegal was interesting in that it was fascinating watching to see if Dublin could break down Donegals defensive system.
Off the top of my head Armagh v Down, Kerry v Cork, Cork v Mayo, Donegal v Kildare, Mayo v Kerry and Kerry v Dublin were enjoyable games last year.
Things need to addressed fair enough such as
- diving
- encourage less handpassing more foot passing and longer renage shooting
but the game is still enjoyble in its present form.
subgoalie
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12-May-2012 16:15
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The main reason for so many handpasses and more importantly less kick-passing is the packed defense. I would hope that the cause of the malaise rather than an effect will be implemented. A maximum of 8 players inside the 45 yard line would increase the amount of space for forwards and therefore would encourage faster play and more emphasis on the kick pass.
manfromdelmonte
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12-May-2012 16:25
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watch the under 21 final from last weekend
brilliant game of football until the last 5/6 minutes
its the attitude of senior managers that causes teams to play negatively
same goes for soccer teams and rugby teams
frasiercrane
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12-May-2012 17:30
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The biggest whinge by people in relation to the game is that handpassing is ruining it. In my opinion that is nonsense, when handpassing is done properly at pace is it brilliant to watch and most goals are scored as a result of a handpassing moves.Suggestions to limit handpassing would make it much easier for teams to defend as if handpasing was restricted to no more than 2/3 consecutive handpasses It would be extremely easy to defend against and you would end up with a terrible game consisting of hopeful punts forward.Just think about it.Say only 2 handpasses in succession are allowed you could easily put banks of men behind the ball (donegal style) and get a couple of forwards to track the ball carriers (probably from the half back line) until they progress up to midfield have used up their handpassess and are forced to kick into an attack which is being covered by over 10 defenders.
Look at the Dublin Donegal match last year, Dublin played a more traditional kicking game in the first half and it was fairly easily dealt with by Donegal.They won the game in the second half by bringing on Kevin McManamon and running straight at Donegal with good handpassing movements and drawing fouls and a couple of openings.I believe 6 rule changes would cure all of the issues in football at the moment
1. 13 a side:
Due to increased fitness levels space can be closed down easily compared to the past and there is so little space for forwards these days and reducing the number of players on the field would mean more space for forwards and thus more scores and entertaining play .It would indirectly increase the amount of kicked passes as with less players it would take more energy to run the ball all day and thus the value of continuously handpassing the ball would be negated.You only have to look at the numbr of games where a player being sent off has reulted in a more entertaining contest to see that this rule change is a no brainer.Also it woudl reduce intercounty panels by about 4 and thus mean money would be saved across the board.With increased emigration some clubs (in rural areas in particular) struggle to field a 15 a side team 13 a side football would help solve this issue aswell. My only worry with this rule is that the first thing some coaches would do would be to increase fitness training and take even time away from skills training
2. Restrict the number of players in defensive half of the field:
Introduce a rule that says at least 4 of the 13 players must be within 65 yards of the goal a team is attacking.This cuts out the blanket defence and would result in more man to man contest instead of zonal defending which we have alot of now.You could make a tweak and allow one of these 4 to enter the defensive half in order to collect a kicked pass (only a kicked pass) as to act as an outball for an under pressure defence as we dont want to see half forwards standing with their hands on their hips unable to move when they could make themselves available to take a pass.
3. The Mark:
Allow a mark to be taken between both 45s from a kickout (similar to the league a couple of years ago) the tweak I would make is that once a mark is take the ball must be kicked forward at least 20 yards.This would result in more direct football and encourage more emphasis on fielding.I am sure people admired Emmet O'Chognailes performance last Sunday which was a great example of how great a skill high fielding is.
4. Passback Rule:
I am sick of defenders passing the ball back to the goalie.It annoys the hell out of most fans and a simple way to deal with it would be to simply ban it like was done in soccer about 20 years ago.It would also result in more kicked clearance from defence as too often defendersuse the goalie as an out ball when the try to run out of defence and realise they cant do it so the ball is recycled back and worth between defender and goalkeeper.
5. Freekicks:
I think a rule should be brought in like in basketball where the player who is fouled is the only person allowed to take a free kick.This will stop forwards deliberately looking for frees as they may not want to con the ref and throw themselves to the ground if they know the pressure of kicking the score will be on them.Also it would improve kicking all round as all players would realise they would not be able to rely on just one man to kick all the free and they would have to start improving their own kicking which would benefit the game as a whole
6. Sin Bin:
There is too much cynical fouling in the game.A yellow card for a cynical foul meand ten minutes in the sinbin with no sub to replace the player this would reduce cynical fouling drastically like it did when it was brought in for the lage a few years ago.Obviously refereeing standards would have to improve as most refs dont seem to realise when a player is making a proper attempt to win the ball or making a fair shoulder charge.
dubliner 2
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12-May-2012 17:35
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You talk an awful lot of sense Frasier, which is why nothing that you propose will be implemented.
Senior Inter County football has become very boring. Colm O'Rourke reckons school football is the most exciting and along with under age club level and he's probably right. Fellas haven't yet had the s**te frightened out of them by lunatic county managers with their "systems", tactics and insane training regimes and just get on with playing the game.
I reckon it's only a matter of time before one of them gets sued by a fella who gets badly injured and realises that some of these lads have no qualifications at all.
I can't see myself watching much of the football championship this year unless Dublin are playing.
Tipsy MacStagger
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12-May-2012 17:37
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There must be no sport that has as much bulls**t written about it as Gaelic Football has. Leave the rules completely alone. The game has never been of a higher standard or more exciting than it has been over the last decade.
Tipsy MacStagger
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12-May-2012 18:00
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One of the strengths association football has over Gaelic football is its internationalism and its sheer numbers playing and oaching. Tactical innovations and different ways of playing the game have sprung up regularly around the world. Gaelic football doesn't have this and traditionally has conformed to a sort of monochrome view of how the game should be played. It hasn't had regular tactical innovations in the same way association football has and thus when managers try something different you get know-nothing misty eyed traditionalists talking crap because teams dare to play Gaelic football a bit differently from your 1950s Kerry catch and kick variety.
Now I despise how Donegal play but you can't deny it's an innovation, it's something different and it has brought them success. Dublin showed that that system had limitations and eventually broke it down. Typical GAA knee jerk reaction to call for a 13 a side game. Could you imagine Pep Guardiola calling for association football to be reduced to nine a side after Inter Milan or Chelsea got through against Barcelona in the Champions' League in 2010 and 2012 respectively by parking the bus? Hardly.
azamour
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12-May-2012 18:06
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Originally posted by Tipsy MacStagger:
There must be no sport that has as much bulls**t written about it as Gaelic Football has. Leave the rules completely alone. The game has never been of a higher standard or more exciting than it has been over the last decade.
+1
By far the most popular sport in this country despite all the negative press it gets.
seanie
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12-May-2012 18:14
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Originally posted by Tipsy MacStagger:
There must be no sport that has as much bulls**t written about it as Gaelic Football has. Leave the rules completely alone. The game has never been of a higher standard or more exciting than it has been over the last decade.
Fair play tipsy, 100% correct as is horan. The negativity about gaelic football sparked by men of the 70/80s like mcgee & breheny and a hurling snob president like oneill are absolutely outrageous.
Look at the absolute s**te that was the 'golden years' of football -when you had kerry, sometimes the dubs and a random team every year able to win.
Now on any given day there are 3/4 teams in the top level and another 8/9 able to beat them on any given sunday.
The fitness levels and pace of the game are light years removed from the 'golden days' - look at games like dublin vs kerry, cork vs kerry, kildare vs meath, kildare vs donegal if you want excitement and fast paced matches.
Always amazes me about the negativity about football, a sport which is played in 31 counties to a relatively serious level, as opposed to the 'self proclaimed' superior sport of hurling of which there is a bout 8 competitive counties.
Very dissappointed in the make up of the new committee with mcgee in charge, no player from the top level over the last 10 years - people like anthony lynch, anthony rainbow or dara o se should have been put on this committee, aldo they may not have agreed with the cosy agenda
frasiercrane
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12-May-2012 18:20
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You can always improve a game and Gaelic Football is a sport where the rules have not kept pace with the innovation in recent years and it can certainly be improved as a spectacle.
seanie
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12-May-2012 18:30
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Originally posted by frasiercrane:
You can always improve a game and Gaelic Football is a sport where the rules have not kept pace with the innovation in recent years and it can certainly be improved as a spectacle.
EVERY sport can be improved, for example if they did away with the offside rule in association football there would be more goals and some would view that as a better spectacle - the issue with gaelic football is that it is being attacked by people who a. dont understand the game b. are hurling snobs c. sheeple who fall into the general consensus
The game can be improved but it is at a very high standard as it is.
frasiercrane
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12-May-2012 18:34
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Originally posted by seanie:
EVERY sport can be improved, for example if they did away with the offside rule in association football there would be more goals and some would view that as a better spectacle - the issue with gaelic football is that it is being attacked by people who a. dont understand the game b. are hurling snobs c. sheeple who fall into the general consensusThe game can be improved but it is at a very high standard as it is.
I agree with your 3 points and I dont have a huge amount of complaints with the game but those 6 changes I proposed with have a mainly positive influence on the game and make it better
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