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Topic: Martinez to replace Dalglish
Jimmy Conway
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Posted: 13-May-2012 12:04
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Widely reported in England today that a move will be made for the Wigan boss and that Kenny will move ''upstairs'' .
He would be an interesting appointment, you could say Wigan played attractive football this season so maybe if he applied the same tactics at a club with a better squad he might do have success there.
Keanes Road
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Posted: 13-May-2012 12:53
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Originally posted by Jimmy Conway:
Widely reported in England today that a move will be made for the Wigan boss and that Kenny will move ''upstairs'' .
He would be an interesting appointment, you could say Wigan played attractive football this season so maybe if he applied the same tactics at a club with a better squad he might do have success there.

Very good appointment if they could land him. A manager who likes to keep the ball on the floor and play the beautiful game, which is going against the grain a bit with recent Liverpol managers.

No surprise if Dalglish was to move upstairs as he has been a disaster in every sense. The game has bypassed him so much since he was last managing at this level, he has no hope of catching back up.

Personally I think Liverpool should give him an ambassadorial role and shift him away from the football side of things altogether. The last thing a good manager like Martinez needs is this dinosaur butting in/ looking over his shoulder.
rebelrebel30
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Posted: 13-May-2012 13:17
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Originally posted by Keanes Road:
Very good appointment if they could land him. A manager who likes to keep the ball on the floor and play the beautiful game, which is going against the grain a bit with recent Liverpol managers.No surprise if Dalglish was to move upstairs as he has been a disaster in every sense. The game has bypassed him so much since he was last managing at this level, he has no hope of catching back up.Personally I think Liverpool should give him an ambassadorial role and shift him away from the football side of things altogether. The last thing a good manager like Martinez needs is this dinosaur butting in/ looking over his shoulder.

Would be interesting alright, could still see kenny being around the club having some role rather than a " Sir Bobby lucheon role"

BTW..isnt that what happened at OT after Busby went..an old dinosaur around a succession of managers and to be honest its Utd future when Fergie steps down because i can never see any manager coming in having the freedom without the spectare of his shadown looming large over them.......
Keanes Road
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Posted: 13-May-2012 14:40
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Originally posted by rebelrebel30:
Would be interesting alright, could still see kenny being around the club having some role rather than a " Sir Bobby lucheon role"BTW..isnt that what happened at OT after Busby went..an old dinosaur around a succession of managers and to be honest its Utd future when Fergie steps down because i can never see any manager coming in having the freedom without the spectare of his shadown looming large over them.......

Good you can recognise the warning signs with Dalglish so reb. You must be hoping the club thinks the same?

Keanes Road
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Posted: 13-May-2012 18:13
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Rumours doing the rounds that Dalglish is to step down asap. Seems like the pressure has enveopled him once again.

Probably for the best as he is in terrible shape going around these last 12 months. The new owners have cleaned house in recent weeks so it is no surprise that the axe is to fall.
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Arkle
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Posted: 13-May-2012 18:20
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I admire Martinez, and who wouldn't with what he has done at Wigan. But I have a feeling he is not a top4 title challenging manager.
Would love to see Pep take on the job. Would be some challenge for him.
Keanes Road
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Posted: 13-May-2012 18:25
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Originally posted by Arkle:
I admire Martinez, and who wouldn't with what he has done at Wigan. But I have a feeling he is not a top4 title challenging manager.
Would love to see Pep take on the job. Would be some challenge for him.

Ah come now. Martinez would be a great manager if they could manage to get him.
He would not be going to a top 4 side or anything close to one. He would be trying to stop the rot at a mid table side. Whether he would be given time to get his style implemented is another thing.
murraymarmalade
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Posted: 13-May-2012 18:31
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Originally posted by Arkle:
I admire Martinez, and who wouldn't with what he has done at Wigan. But I have a feeling he is not a top4 title challenging manager.
Would love to see Pep take on the job. Would be some challenge for him.
Some challenge, more like Mission Impossible.

Arkle
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Posted: 13-May-2012 18:34
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You can knock them and snigger all you want, and it's easy to do looking at the dismal season and looking at the league table, but Liverpool as a club have legitimate top4/title/CL aspirations. And well they should given their history. They were there or there abouts just a couple of seasons ago. They have as much claim as Man City and Chelsea, and probably more of a claim than Spurs (who were the epitome of a perennial mid-table team up to a couple of years ago). They shouldn't ever settle for mid-table mediocrity. There is no reason they couldn't be back challenging in a season or two with the right man in charge.
I'm not sure Martinez is that man. Some managers do great things with limited resources, but don't quite hack it at the elite level. Hodgson would be a perfect example. I could be wrong of course. Martinez could be the next SAF, he just needs the right opportunity.
theblack&amber
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Posted: 13-May-2012 18:40
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The last thing a good manager like Martinez needs is this dinosaur butting in/ looking over his shoulder.

Agree, it didn't help Hodgson in his last three months at Liverpool that Dalglish's name was been constantly touted for his job. Once that started happening the players performances went downhill very quickly, culminating in the results that eventually cost Hodgson the job.

In hindsight it was probably a good move to bring in Dalglish as he shored things up when they were plummeting but his presence in the background didn't help the situation in the first place. His results since then (two cup final appearances apart) are as poor, even more so seeing as he spent over €100 million in two transfer periods to bolster the squad.

All the same I wouldn't like to see him shoved out the door, he's been a great servant for Liverpool and wouldn't deserve that humiliation from them but I think he's not up to the job and he should walk before he's pushed.
Keanes Road
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Posted: 13-May-2012 18:47
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Originally posted by Arkle:
You can knock them and snigger all you want, and it's easy to do looking at the dismal season and looking at the league table, but Liverpool as a club have legitimate top4/title/CL aspirations. And well they should given their history. They were there or there abouts just a couple of seasons ago. They have as much claim as Man City and Chelsea, and probably more of a claim than Spurs (who were the epitome of a perennial mid-table team up to a couple of years ago). They shouldn't ever settle for mid-table mediocrity. There is no reason they couldn't be back challenging in a season or two with the right man in charge.
I'm not sure Martinez is that man. Some managers do great things with limited resources, but don't quite hack it at the elite level. Hodgson would be a perfect example. I could be wrong of course. Martinez could be the next SAF, he just needs the right opportunity.

I think Martinez would be an ideal appointment. His teams play the game the right way and he is a shrewd man in the transfer market. His teams do lack a little steel but he would have better funds available to him.
Might be the perfect match - a young up and coming good manager and a club who have underperformed recently in the league.
Reality needs to come into play. Liverpool are no longer assured of top 4 football and champions league football so that noose could not be put around his neck. They have been slipping for donkeys years now apart from 1 season where they put it up to United in a league challenge.

Martinez would have to avoid going the Hodgson route though of shopping in the bargin bin for the Koncheski's of this world and that in itself brings its own pressures but he seems to trive on pressure.

I cant see a Pep or his like going near a Liverpool tbh. Stranger things have happened though.
theblack&amber
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Posted: 13-May-2012 19:01
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Originally posted by Arkle:
You can knock them and snigger all you want, and it's easy to do looking at the dismal season and looking at the league table, but Liverpool as a club have legitimate top4/title/CL aspirations. And well they should given their history. They were there or there abouts just a couple of seasons ago. They have as much claim as Man City and Chelsea, and probably more of a claim than Spurs (who were the epitome of a perennial mid-table team up to a couple of years ago). They shouldn't ever settle for mid-table mediocrity. There is no reason they couldn't be back challenging in a season or two with the right man in charge.
I'm not sure Martinez is that man. Some managers do great things with limited resources, but don't quite hack it at the elite level. Hodgson would be a perfect example. I could be wrong of course. Martinez could be the next SAF, he just needs the right opportunity.

They may have aspirations of top 4/title/CL, and may be capable of being top 4 place contenders in the next year or two, but at the moment they're nowhere near it, and there's no way anyone could consider them to be potential title/CL contenders with their current squad (unless of course said person was delusional or insane).

People spouting Liverpool's history/tradition should wake up really, past glories aren't going to win them future matches. The only thing that does, albeit vitally important if Liverpool are to improve, is give them a name with which to attract good players.

As for challenging a couple of years ago that was when they had Mascherano, Alonso, Torres and Gerrard at their very best, and a defensive and midfield setup to utelise their best players. Once Alonso left, Gerrard lost the foil which made him great and has been a shadow of the player of that campaign. Torres got injured, never really recovered from it, his goals dried up and then left. The defensive/midfield security was rocked by Mascherano leaving. Since that season the talent at their disposal is brutal compared to what they had then.

I agree about Martinez though, lets face it he's working with peanuts at Wigan, and not only keeping them up but doing so playing good soccer. A manager with his talent could do very well with a team like Liverpool's resources.
rebelrebel30
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Posted: 13-May-2012 19:02
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Originally posted by Keanes Road:
I think Martinez would be an ideal appointment. His teams play the game the right way and he is a shrewd man in the transfer market. His teams do lack a little steel but he would have better funds available to him.
Might be the perfect match - a young up and coming good manager and a club who have underperformed recently in the league.
Reality needs to come into play. Liverpool are no longer assured of top 4 football and champions league football so that noose could not be put around his neck. They have been slipping for donkeys years now apart from 1 season where they put it up to United in a league challenge.Martinez would have to avoid going the Hodgson route though of shopping in the bargin bin for the Koncheski's of this world and that in itself brings its own pressures but he seems to trive on pressure.I cant see a Pep or his like going near a Liverpool tbh. Stranger things have happened though.

I agree this season the league results have been poor..but the comment re slipping for "donkeys years" re top 4 Cl qualification..they have in the 11 seasons since 2001 been there all but 3 years of which 2 have come in the last few years. Its hardly like its 15 years since they qualified of anything so talk of midtable stuff is rubbish and slightly overblown.
Keanes Road
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Posted: 13-May-2012 19:10
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Originally posted by rebelrebel30:
I agree this season the league results have been poor..but the comment re slipping for "donkeys years" re top 4 Cl qualification..they have in the 11 seasons since 2001 been there all but 3 years of which 2 have come in the last few years. Its hardly like its 15 years since they qualified of anything so talk of midtable stuff is rubbish and slightly overblown.

Take it in context of the club and lague titles.

Perennial champions.
Perennial challengers

Now one real title push in 20 years and that team has been broken up.
They didn't even come back for a second tilt rebel.
3 years now outside the top 4. Missing out on the top 4 in 4 of the last 8 seasons.
Fans telling us how close to top 4 they were in decemeber / january and they slump to 8th. Thats where the sights are getting set now top 4 and not top place.

Its not where a club of liverpools stature and tradition should be.

So with that in mind I dont think its overblown but it depends on how you wish to measure tham these days I suppose.
Arkle
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Posted: 13-May-2012 19:30
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Look at Man Utd, look at their squad. They are hardly chock full of world class players. Yet they were one kick of the ball away from yet another EPL title (beaten by a whisker by a team made up of an all-star cast players) and they have reached three of the last four CL finals. Most of this is down to an incredible manager and the believe he instills in his team, and the "tradition" he has built around the club.

Liverpool were perennials CL quarter, semi and finalists just a few years ago. Yes, they have lost a number key players and they have some woeful dross in the current squad. But with the right man in charge and a several key positions filled it's hardly in the realm of fantasy to think they couldn't be back challenging again. It definitely is getting harder with the massive financial clout of ManC and Chelsea, but ManU have shown that there's more to it than just opening the check book and assembling a cast of Galacticos.
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