This message has been edited - 13-may-2012 @ 12:55

Originally posted by Voice of P ui C:

I was fortunate to be born in Cork all of 74 years ago, in that time i seen Cork win 19 All Ireland hurling titles, throw in 5 football titles, and that gives you one title in every 3.083 years of my life. I am not stating this in any arrogant way, only, to acknowledge again how lucky I am, I have celebrated the success that other counties have had, Wexford in the '50's, Waterford in '59, Limerick in '73, ( how I would like to see Limerick win one again before I exit) Galway's breakthrough in the '80's, and of course my favourite's, Offaly, (how I loved their style and skill), then we had 'hurling at the crossroads' Wexford again in the '90'a, and who will ever forget the mighty banner men Clare, ( Some of their supporters still tell us that they invented the game of hurling then), of course you always had the other two aristocrat's, Tipp. and KK. (and they still haven't gone away you know)Rant 2 to follow.

Originally posted by Voice of P ui C:

I was fortunate to be born in Cork all of 74 years ago, in that time i seen Cork win 19 All Ireland hurling titles, throw in 5 football titles, and that gives you one title in every 3.083 years of my life. I am not stating this in any arrogant way, only, to acknowledge again how lucky I am, I have celebrated the success that other counties have had, Wexford in the '50's, Waterford in '59, Limerick in '73, ( how I would like to see Limerick win one again before I exit) Galway's breakthrough in the '80's, and of course my favourite's, Offaly, (how I loved their style and skill), then we had 'hurling at the crossroads' Wexford again in the '90'a, and who will ever forget the mighty banner men Clare, ( Some of their supporters still tell us that they invented the game of hurling then), of course you always had the other two aristocrat's, Tipp. and KK. (and they still haven't gone away you know)Rant 2 to follow.

Originally posted by cityoftribes:
If you think that is a rant, you should read the s**te posted here from another Cork old timer. At least you make some sense and don't contradict yourself every second sentence. Also, he is not only disillusioned but also extremely delusional.

Originally posted by rebelrebel30:
Run along..no ones watching........

Originally posted by side show bob:
Another thread ruined by yer childish antics. Stick to the succer thread.

This message has been edited - 13-may-2012 @ 17:34

Originally posted by Voice of P ui C:
Rant No 2.
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NOBODY has the divine right to success, YOU MUST SOW TO REAP. I say this in the context of what is happening to the ancient game in my beloved Cork.Last Sundays defeat in Tom Semples field I can take, I hold the view that JBM is taking baby steps to put together a decent side in three years time.However, it was last Thursdays minor display in Ennis that has me most disillusioned.(credit to Clare, they are on the right road) I now go back 30 years, when I was heavily involved with my club at underage level. Then, I ,could see a trend emerging. ( Jerry Wallace the current Antrim coach commented on the subject in this weeks Examiner) REFEREEING. I would call it the Willie Horgan syndrome.Example! if you had big boys playing U12, u14, u16, these lads were consistently being penalised because of their sizes, consequently when they got to minor age they had gone into a shell . they were afraid t use their body's, this has permeated into to our game at adult level as well In other words legitimated physicality has been eradicated from game of hurling here in Cork:hence we are now perceived as soft targets
Rant 3 to come

Originally posted by cityoftribes:

Point proven...

This message has been edited - 14-may-2012 @ 00:40

Originally posted by ljk:
even after what happened in league final i still think cork will have a big say in this years all ireland,and would not rule out them winning it.

This message has been edited - 14-may-2012 @ 15:36

This message has been edited - 14-may-2012 @ 11:50

Originally posted by theblack&amber:
I think Cork hurling needs to return to its great strengths of skill and fast and clever ball movement, and I think JBM is leading them down this path, they have some decent players that have the skills, throw in young lads like Lehane and Sweetnam (good hurlers but crucially, strong and good ball winners as well) and maybe unearth a few more, and Cork will be AI contenders in the next 2/3 years at most.I wouldn't get disillusioned yet.

Originally posted by theblack&amber:
One of Corks biggest problem over the last few years has been their style of hurling, the running game played by their team of a few years ago.When it first came out it was revolutionary, and very effective. It played to that Corks great strengths and drove Cork to two AI titles, and a few Munsters as well. Most notably it drove Newtownshandrum to the AI as well, and Cork clubs in general (from what I saw in the club championships) looked to have adopted the game plan as well. The underage teams also went down this root, but with not as much success, but still a few Munsters.Essentially Cork, as a county, adopted this style of hurling as the way to go.One of the basic aspects of the running game was you create the space for others, and lay it off and at its best, it was devastating. Unfortunately for Cork they ran into a brick wall in 2006 called Kilkenny, who had the simplest of game-plan's to counteract Cork: mark the man and close down the space. This forced the Cork front 8 to be the ball winners, something they were not too accustomed to under the running game. It was not only a successful ploy by Kilkenny but extremely effective. Every team now had a simple blueprint for playing against, and in the case of the better sides, beating Cork. Since then, every team with serious aspirations of trophies have deployed this tactic against Cork and shut them out. Even their club sides have been caught out this way over the last few years.Funnily, that's why I think Cork could also come good under JBM. His style of play isn't based around the running game but on Corks traditional strengths of skill and fast movement of the ball. Against Kilkenny in the league final, they came up against a team that has had several years strength/conditioning training behind them, something Cork are not going to develop overnight. Also Kilkenny's experience was telling (for many of the Cork players it was only their third inter-county final appearance [league 10,12 and Munster 10]). But these two things will come in time for Cork.Couple them with a return to traditional Cork hurling values and Cork are going in the right direction in my view. And as club and underage sides tend to ape the senior setup, all the better for Cork. I think Cork hurling needs to return to its great strengths of skill and fast and clever ball movement, and I think JBM is leading them down this path, they have some decent players that have the skills, throw in young lads like Lehane and Sweetnam (good hurlers but crucially, strong and good ball winners as well) and maybe unearth a few more, and Cork will be AI contenders in the next 2/3 years at most.I wouldn't get disillusioned yet.

This message has been edited - 15-may-2012 @ 09:46

Originally posted by theblack&amber:
Funnily, that's why I think Cork could also come good under JBM. His style of play isn't based around the running game but on Corks traditional strengths of skill and fast movement of the ball.