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Rebel CNC (4,232 Posts)	Posted: 14-May-2012 11:52	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Rebel CNC (4,232 Posts)	Strong rumours that the Yanks will be installing him in the Anfield hot seat in next few days. Lots of money went on him over weekend. Still think FSG will allow Kenny D one more crack of it next season (as does Dalglish himself) although the yanks silence on the matter is deafening!! Martinez would be a strange choice. Would think that someone like Van Gaal or Hiddink would be approached in first place. Probably know one way or the other before the week is out. This message has been edited - 14-may-2012 @ 12:14
carryharry (4,804 Posts)	Posted: 14-May-2012 12:02	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
carryharry (4,804 Posts)	If i was a Liverpool fan i would be hoping this rumour is true. While Kenny will always be a legend to their fans, there can't be too much argument to the reasoning that modern day football has passed him by imo. Martinez is a progressive manager with modern idea's of how the game should be played. He seems a good man manager and i think he would get the best out of the younger players at Liverpool.
N16 (1,724 Posts)	Posted: 14-May-2012 12:21	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
N16 (1,724 Posts)	3/1 with Paddy Power, 6/1 with William Hill. Ladbrokes dont have a book on it. Stuck a tenner on at 6/1 with William Hill. Yesterdays loss was a poor end to another poor season, Carling Cup or no Carling Cup. Agree with carryharry - the modern game has passed Dalglish by and his "victimisation" carry on over the Suarez incident was poorly handled, something he has since admitted.
Banner1995 (474 Posts)	Posted: 14-May-2012 12:43	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Banner1995 (474 Posts)	what i find interesting is that everyone is raving about martinez now, mainly cos wigan went on this super run at the end of the season and survived, which is fantastic and fair play, but thats 2 years in a row now he has had them near the drop zone. rodgers n lambert at their first attempt easily got their respective teams mid table n safe, and playing good stuff too, esp swansea. So why are they not considered? Now i do rate martinez, but why is he suddenly flavour of the month? No matter what all the experts on here say, Liverpool is still a very attractive job, and right now they are where utd were in the 80s, a fallen giant, serial underachievers, still able to win cups, but not near good enough to win a league. But surely resurrecting them would appeal to a lot of top managers, and dont gimme 'liverpool are a mid table club' snidy crap that is peddled here. i do rate martinez, but surely they will look at other top coaches too around europe? if they say nah stuff it, then fair enough give him an interivew but id rather somoene like klopp, emery get a craic IF Kenny is given the boot.
Rebel CNC (4,232 Posts)	Posted: 14-May-2012 12:44	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Rebel CNC (4,232 Posts)	Originally posted by N16: 3/1 with Paddy Power, 6/1 with William Hill. Ladbrokes dont have a book on it. Stuck a tenner on at 6/1 with William Hill. Yesterdays loss was a poor end to another poor season, Carling Cup or no Carling Cup. Agree with carryharry - the modern game has passed Dalglish by and his "victimisation" carry on over the Suarez incident was poorly handled, something he has since admitted. To be honest, don't think anyone gives a rat's ar*e about Suarez incident at this stage. The issue of whether the modern game has passed him by is a much more pressing one. Most of his managerial colleagues were able to take something from their games with Liverpool even though the vast majority of them had inferior players and smaller squads at their disposal. Wigan under Martinez took 4 points from Liverpool. Players have to take a fair share of the blame but when you drop so many points, week in, week out to "smaller" teams, then probably the case that the manager is being out-thought tactically by his counterpart. Likewise, one or two players having a poor season is to be expected at any team (Fergie will have been less than impressed with say Nani and perhaps De Gea for instance) but when so many fail to deliver, then once again the spotlight falls on the manager and his man management/motivational skills!
cityoftribes (3,030 Posts)	Posted: 14-May-2012 12:47	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
cityoftribes (3,030 Posts)	Originally posted by Banner1995: what i find interesting is that everyone is raving about martinez now, mainly cos wigan went on this super run at the end of the season and survived, which is fantastic and fair play, but thats 2 years in a row now he has had them near the drop zone. rodgers n lambert at their first attempt easily got their respective teams mid table n safe, and playing good stuff too, esp swansea. So why are they not considered?Now i do rate martinez, but why is he suddenly flavour of the month? No matter what all the experts on here say, Liverpool is still a very attractive job, and right now they are where utd were in the 80s, a fallen giant, serial underachievers, still able to win cups, but not near good enough to win a league. But surely resurrecting them would appeal to a lot of top managers, and dont gimme 'liverpool are a mid table club' snidy crap that is peddled here. i do rate martinez, but surely they will look at other top coaches too around europe? if they say nah stuff it, then fair enough give him an interivew but id rather somoene like klopp, emery get a craic IF Kenny is given the boot. In fairness you are right, it'd be nice to see a Rijkaard take them over. But the big issue for Liverpool will be whether or not they can make a large outlay available for transfers. If they can make another £100m available then they might attract a big name manager. If not then it might be a case of Dalglish staying or Martinez getting the job.
Rebel CNC (4,232 Posts)	Posted: 14-May-2012 12:49	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Rebel CNC (4,232 Posts)	Originally posted by Banner1995: what i find interesting is that everyone is raving about martinez now, mainly cos wigan went on this super run at the end of the season and survived, which is fantastic and fair play, but thats 2 years in a row now he has had them near the drop zone. . Yeah- think it would be a strange appointment and I think after Hodgson, they'd be wary of appointing manager on back of one or two decent seasons at club with smaller profile. Wigan were relegation material until an impressive but short run of decent results saw them achieve safety quite comfortably in the end.
N16 (1,724 Posts)	Posted: 14-May-2012 12:50	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
N16 (1,724 Posts)	How much money have the Liverpool owners got? They gave Dalglish a fortune and it wasnt that wisely spent - their pockets cant be that deep, can they?
carryharry (4,804 Posts)	Posted: 14-May-2012 12:53	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
carryharry (4,804 Posts)	what i find interesting is that everyone is raving about martinez now, mainly cos wigan went on this super run at the end of the season and survived, which is fantastic and fair play, but thats 2 years in a row now he has had them near the drop zone. rodgers n lambert at their first attempt easily got their respective teams mid table n safe, and playing good stuff too, esp swansea. So why are they not considered? Banner, i would counter that with those clubs enjoying the 1st season run. Most teams go very well in their 1st seasons up, even Wigan the year they were promoted were lauded for their football. All in all i would consider Martinez the best young manager in the league simply for keeping an average Wigan side up in the last 2 seasons. A serious achievement in itself imo. Another manager within the league who could be a good appointment for Liverpool would be Harry Rednapp. Regardless of his detractors and their opinions of him, what he has done at Spurs has being top class imo.
Rebel CNC (4,232 Posts)	Posted: 14-May-2012 12:55	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Rebel CNC (4,232 Posts)	Originally posted by N16: How much money have the Liverpool owners got? They gave Dalglish a fortune and it wasnt that wisely spent - their pockets cant be that deep, can they? Pockets may be deep alright but they'll still be wary of giving Dalglish a big war chest to unearth the next Jordan Henderson or Stewart Downing!!! Think if Dalglish is given another chance to get it right, he'll be expected to do so by getting his own expensive acquisitions to perform. Any further significant investment will be held back for potential new manager to use should Plan A fail. Only if likes of Henderson, Downing etc come good will Dalglish be allowed to break open the piggy bank.
Banner1995 (474 Posts)	Posted: 14-May-2012 12:56	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Banner1995 (474 Posts)	Originally posted by N16: How much money have the Liverpool owners got? They gave Dalglish a fortune and it wasnt that wisely spent - their pockets cant be that deep, can they? they bought the debt N16 and thus acquired the club, but they have actually only put 30m into the club of their own cash so far, but i am confident that they will invest more as they seem to be modernising it in most aspects n dont appear to be crooks like Hicks/Gillette. i would agree tho, kenny cant expect a ball of cash if he is given another year. maybe they will think he worth another crack to justify his outlay, but if they bin him then they have to back a new manager. interesting times ahead.
Banner1995 (474 Posts)	Posted: 14-May-2012 12:59	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Banner1995 (474 Posts)	Originally posted by carryharry: what i find interesting is that everyone is raving about martinez now, mainly cos wigan went on this super run at the end of the season and survived, which is fantastic and fair play, but thats 2 years in a row now he has had them near the drop zone. rodgers n lambert at their first attempt easily got their respective teams mid table n safe, and playing good stuff too, esp swansea. So why are they not considered?Banner, i would counter that with those clubs enjoying the 1st season run. Most teams go very well in their 1st seasons up, even Wigan the year they were promoted were lauded for their football. All in all i would consider Martinez the best young manager in the league simply for keeping an average Wigan side up in the last 2 seasons. A serious achievement in itself imo.Another manager within the league who could be a good appointment for Liverpool would be Harry Rednapp. Regardless of his detractors and their opinions of him, what he has done at Spurs has being top class imo. point taken and i did mean to put that aside in, the test for those 2 will be second season syndrome, but i still stick to my initial point that martinezw ould be a maverick appointment, but then again so was Shankly!!
Hidalgo (2,114 Posts)	Posted: 14-May-2012 13:04	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Hidalgo (2,114 Posts)	If they do make a change, that'll be more compensation but I guess it has to be looked at short term loss for long term gain. One fear I'd have is if a young manager came in and had a poor start, there would be calls for his head by Xmas. For example, if MArtinez was over them this season and the results were as they are with Dalglish there wouldn't be too many calling for another season. A more experienced/successful manager might get more breathing space. Might be able to attract higher quality new players also as opposed to someone like Martinez who lets face it would be relatively unknown around Europe. Anothere option might be young manager + big name DOF, with the DOF having more say than if it was a big name manager with the name of the DOF being used to attract new signings. One thing I think would appeal to the owners is the manner in which Martinez handles himself in the media, something Dalglish has been poorer at as the season has gone on IMO someone like AVB has the potential to be a very good manager.
Sledgehammer (459 Posts)	Posted: 14-May-2012 13:10	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Sledgehammer (459 Posts)	Originally posted by Rebel CNC: Strong rumours that the Yanks will be installing him in the Anfield hot seat in next few days. Lots of money went on him over weekend.Still think FSG will allow Kenny D one more crack of it next season (as does Dalglish himself) although the yanks silence on the matter is deafening!!Martinez would be a strange choice. Would think that someone like Van Gaal or Hiddink would be approached in first place.Probably know one way or the other before the week is out. Hell no, just another stupid rumour, media can't help themselves, apparently Rob Beasley was able to report on Di Matteos exit from Chelsea last week, allegedly reputable sources from within Chelsea, as if players and management would discuss with him first. All tosh! Kenny should see out 2 more years, not rocket science at Liverpool, stick the ball in the net and they would be a long way up the league, surely that will improve, regardless of anything else. This message has been edited - 14-may-2012 @ 13:12
Hitch (3,644 Posts)	Posted: 14-May-2012 13:20	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Hitch (3,644 Posts)	Originally posted by Sledgehammer: Kenny should see out 2 more years, not rocket science at Liverpool, stick the ball in the net and they would be a long way up the league, surely that will improve, regardless of anything else. Wouldn't it be a great strategy?
Sledgehammer (459 Posts)	Posted: 14-May-2012 13:27	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Sledgehammer (459 Posts)	Originally posted by Hitch: Wouldn't it be a great strategy? Not even a strategy. Hitch, an average striker would have made a big difference this season. Look at some of the names that scored Yakubu, Holt even Fletcher at Wolves.
rebelrebel30 (8,531 Posts)	Posted: 14-May-2012 13:39	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
rebelrebel30 (8,531 Posts)	Originally posted by N16: How much money have the Liverpool owners got? They gave Dalglish a fortune and it wasnt that wisely spent - their pockets cant be that deep, can they? Id say they have enough to go with their ambitions. Money was available in January to sign another player but Comolli told FSG they didnt need additional back up in January - that reflected bad on him as the season in the league got worse and FSG formed the view Comolli wasnt working hard enough to find a target in January.
Keanes Road (2,524 Posts)	Posted: 14-May-2012 13:53	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Keanes Road (2,524 Posts)	Originally posted by rebelrebel30: Id say they have enough to go with their ambitions. Money was available in January to sign another player but Comolli told FSG they didnt need additional back up in January - that reflected bad on him as the season in the league got worse and FSG formed the view Comolli wasnt working hard enough to find a target in January. It is no wonder he was booted out so for such short sightedness if true. Lucas was out by then and the likes of Spearing were clearly no better than very average. They should have went out and even got a loan signing in to shore things up. The dogs on the street could see even then that the wheels were starting to come loose. Depends on what type of player were talking about in Jan as well I suppose.
Sledgehammer (459 Posts)	Posted: 14-May-2012 13:57	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Sledgehammer (459 Posts)	Originally posted by rebelrebel30: Id say they have enough to go with their ambitions. Money was available in January to sign another player but Comolli told FSG they didnt need additional back up in January - that reflected bad on him as the season in the league got worse and FSG formed the view Comolli wasnt working hard enough to find a target in January. Do we really need to buy loads more players, get something out of existing ones would be a start. The defence is ok, although an elephant in room last year was keeper, often not talked about, but can't remember him having a poorer season, in past he has prob added 12-15 pts for us. We need better footballers, get Aquilani back for a start! Stick Gerrard permanently on wing crossing balls. Carve about 2 stone of flesh off Charlie Adams ase and shoot him. He drives me mad fouling all the time! Put Stewart Downing on pens for season, surely he will score once. No doubt the Yanks have money, but don't want to be -------ng away on lots of players where 1 or 2 would do just fine.
cityoftribes (3,030 Posts)	Posted: 14-May-2012 14:14	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
cityoftribes (3,030 Posts)	Originally posted by Keanes Road: It is no wonder he was booted out so for such short sightedness if true. Lucas was out by then and the likes of Spearing were clearly no better than very average. They should have went out and even got a loan signing in to shore things up. The dogs on the street could see even then that the wheels were starting to come loose.Depends on what type of player were talking about in Jan as well I suppose. Dalglish had told Comolli the type of player he wanted and had instructed him to go find one. The only ones they could agree on were either still involved in European Competition or would only move if they were guaranteed CL Football next season. They decided to hold off til the summer as they felt that a big push after xmas would get them into CL spot thus making them more attractive to players. Dalglish felt that a big push in the cups would provide momentum for them to continue on in the league, so in fairness to the man, you can see why he put so much importance on the cups. The Americans are having a hard time understand this transfer window system and couldn't understand why management didn't buy when they had the opportunity to go out and do so. This message has been edited - 14-may-2012 @ 14:15
Rebel CNC (4,232 Posts)	Posted: 14-May-2012 14:22	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Rebel CNC (4,232 Posts)	Originally posted by Sledgehammer: ... although an elephant in room last year was keeper, often not talked about, but can't remember him having a poorer season, in past he has prob added 12-15 pts for us.. Yeah - one of the Liverpool matchday fanzines discussed this a few weeks ago - pointed out that someone should tell Reina that when they say players must stop diving (after Ashley Young's shenanighans) they weren't referring to goalkeepers
pooka delantero (73 Posts)	Posted: 14-May-2012 15:56	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
pooka delantero (73 Posts)	still has his house in liverpool - bring back Rafa? or If only Bielsa spoke english as he can go on like shanks used to and won't appreciate having his team decimated. imagine what they would have spent all that money on last summer... Buying English players is the fastest route to disaster. Overpaid and overhyped these day
Rebel CNC (4,232 Posts)	Posted: 14-May-2012 16:32	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Rebel CNC (4,232 Posts)	Now reported in Telegraph that Dalglish has been summoned to States for discussions with FSG. Probably good news for him - owners would surely travel to UK if they were giving him the bullet! May be an element of putting him in his place though - "not worth our while travelling over after that shambles of a season - you come to us and plead your case".
Hidalgo (2,114 Posts)	Posted: 14-May-2012 17:27	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Hidalgo (2,114 Posts)	Originally posted by Rebel CNC: Now reported in Telegraph that Dalglish has been summoned to States for discussions with FSG.Probably good news for him - owners would surely travel to UK if they were giving him the bullet! May be an element of putting him in his place though - "not worth our while travelling over after that shambles of a season - you come to us and plead your case". Not sure if he's being summoned. Thought this was a pre-planned meeting to dissect the season & Dalglish to give his full report, the notion of being UNLUCKY was to be left out of the report.
rebelrebel30 (8,531 Posts)	Posted: 14-May-2012 17:37	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
rebelrebel30 (8,531 Posts)	Originally posted by Sledgehammer: Do we really need to buy loads more players, get something out of existing ones would be a start. The defence is ok, although an elephant in room last year was keeper, often not talked about, but can't remember him having a poorer season, in past he has prob added 12-15 pts for us.We need better footballers, get Aquilani back for a start! Stick Gerrard permanently on wing crossing balls. Carve about 2 stone of flesh off Charlie Adams ase and shoot him. He drives me mad fouling all the time!Put Stewart Downing on pens for season, surely he will score once. No doubt the Yanks have money, but don't want to be -------ng away on lots of players where 1 or 2 would do just fine. I was talking about the context of last January when we in my view needed a striker to score goals to partner suarez and also as he was banned around that time. Carrolls form wasnt anything like it is now. To the summer and rebuilding, i agree from defence up we arent that bad...Reina, Skittles, Agger, Kelly. The form of enrique towards the end has worried me, hopefully a temporary lapse and a return to form next august. Johnson has improved too but still prone to defensive lapse. I know Reina had one of his poorer seasons by his own high standards, but i wouldnt worry about him, still top keeper. My team for next season would be 1Reina 2Kelly/Johnson ( to fight for this position) 3Agger ( first choice) 4Skertel ( first choice) 5Enrique ( needs to redisover form of last august or else look at additional cover here) 6Gerrard 7Lucas ( up to here we are not too bad, solid if not spectalular 8? Position up for grabs or a new player - attacking midfielder go can play at pace box to box 9 Positon up for grabs or a new player winger to attack and take on backs or open up teams 10 Suarez 11 Defo a striker who can get 20-25 goals a season ( Carroll to continue his good form as a back up) The rest Downing, Hendo, Shelvey, Spearing, Kuyt, Maxi are just not good enough to be spear heading a CL challenge on current form.

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