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Topic: King Kenny gone
carryharry
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Posted: 16-May-2012 17:18
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Hiddink or Rijkarrd Reb?
suirboy
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Posted: 16-May-2012 17:18
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Roberto Martinez 6/4
Rafael Benitez 13/8
Jose Mourinho 10/1
Martin O'Neill 10/1
Frank Rijkaard 12/1
Andre Villas-Boas 12/1
Paul Lambert 14/1
Brendan Rodgers 14/1
Unai Emery 18/1
Didier Deschamps 20/1
Fabio Capello 20/1
Carlo Ancelotti 20/1
Laurent Blanc 20/1
Jorge Jesus 20/1
Pep Guardiola 20/1
Steve Clarke 20/1

Current odds from paddypower.com
rebelrebel30
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Posted: 16-May-2012 17:18
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Originally posted by theface2010:
I hear FSG have a lot of respect for Roddy Collins' methods.

Well i be darned...i must have imagined all that "self righeous" backlash from some contributors here only the other night about the banter than Liverpool supporters enjoyed after Utd lost the league......

BTW....i dont mind face only kidding..ill store this for later.
rebelrebel30
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Posted: 16-May-2012 17:19
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Originally posted by carryharry:
Hiddink or Rijkarrd Reb?

rock and a hard place Harry........who to choose..like Hiddink better displinaring than Rij, but Rijkarrd would play stylish football, though favours prima donas sometimes........
theface2010
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Posted: 16-May-2012 17:23
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Originally posted by murraymarmalade:
Are we expecting an official statement from Rebel soon?

We just did-very dignified for a man who must be quite distressed at the moment giving all that's going on.
rebelrebel30
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Posted: 16-May-2012 17:24
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Originally posted by Rebel CNC:
So who would your choice be, assuming Guardiola and Mourinho are not available?

I honestly dont know rebel. Mourinho has stated many times he loves the English game, hes not exactly happy in spain, he has talked about Liverpools history and stature in the past and i reckon if FSG could convince him that there would be money to spend he might be worth an outside gamble.

He would divide supporters i believe but he would in my view make Liverpool league champions again, ive no doubt in that, he brilliant at doing that.

Martinez seems from listening to John Keith, Liverpoolfc contributor and historian on LFC football matters to be the favourite. I like Martinez and i like the football he plays but he is a gamble no question.
Rebel CNC
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Posted: 16-May-2012 17:34
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Originally posted by rebelrebel30:
... I like Martinez and i like the football he plays but he is a gamble no question.

Definitely a gamble

From Mark Lawerenson

"The fact is that the league form hasn't been good enough for the owners. It's disappointing they haven't got anyone lined up. Paul Lambert, Brendan Rodgers and Roberto Martinez have been mentioned as successors. They have done great jobs but it is very different at a club like Liverpool where you are expected to win every game. The current England manager Roy Hodgson found that when he went to Liverpool."

Will the new manager be given funds or told to work with Kenny's purchases? If the latter, a good man manager like Martin O' Neill might get the best out of Henderson, Adam, Downing, Kuyt, Reina etc. His tactics can be dour but perhaps that is due to quality of players he's had at his disposal - bit like Trappatoni with Ireland!!!
Keanes Road
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Posted: 16-May-2012 17:35
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Originally posted by Jimmy Conway:
Gald he's gone, not sure about martinez, unfortunately for liverpool it looks like they will not be able to attract the top managers while they're in this state.
Would love to get Pep!!

Well Pep did say he wanted to get away from football for a year!
Scaoil Amach an Bobailín
(578 Posts)
Posted: 16-May-2012 17:40
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This is what Jose Mourinho had to say in the past when asked about managing Liverpool

“Manchester United would be a great challenge for me. But Liverpool is not the club for me. I know why, but I cannot tell you.

“Tottenham, Everton... Arsenal maybe. These are all fine clubs with very good managers."

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Real-Madrid-boss-Jose-Mourinho-exclusive-I-d-NEVER-manage-Liverpool-but-would-boss-Manchester-United-Arsenal-even-Tottenham-or-Everton-article562971.html
Hitch
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Posted: 16-May-2012 17:40
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Dalglish Factfile

Born: 4 March 1951, Glasgow

Playing career: Celtic (1969-77), Liverpool (1977-90), Scotland (1977-90)

Managerial career: Liverpool (1985-91), Blackburn (1991-95), Newcastle (1997-98), Celtic (2000), Liverpool (2011-12)

Managerial honours: Premier League (1994-95), First Division title (1985-86, 1987-88, 1989-90), FA Cup (1985-86, 1988-89), League Cup (2011-12), Scottish League Cup (1999-00)
cityoftribes
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Posted: 16-May-2012 17:43
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Just reading the statement and to quote Tom Werner: “Results in the Premier League have been disappointing and we believe to build on the progress that has already been made, we need to make a change. We are committed to delivering success for our supporters and our ambition remains resolute to return this great Club to the elite of England and Europe, where it belongs."

It would seem from this that FSG (correctly) think better of the sport than to measure the clubs success based on a Mickey Mouse Cup. It seems based on this, that they definitely know more about the sport than we give them credit for, and they definitely know more than some posters here who also think different.

Liverpool now a shell of a Club without a Manager, Director of Football, Head of Communicatons, Head of Sports Science, and one other very prominent position that escapes me right now - worrying times for them indeed.

Also, I don’t think that Dalglishs conduct in the Suarez affair can be understated in all this. It surely was a factor in him getting the boot.
cityoftribes
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Posted: 16-May-2012 17:47
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Originally posted by Keanes Road:
Well Pep did say he wanted to get away from football for a year!

It amazes me the way some supporters are talking like all they need do is click their fingers and managers will come running. Not once has it dawned on them that the majority of the top european managers won't go near the club as it is just not an attractive proposition. Has the last 20 years not thought them anything? They have essentially become a 2nd rate club in terms of the Premier League.
Rebel CNC
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Posted: 16-May-2012 17:48
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Originally posted by cityoftribes:
.Also, I don’t think that Dalglishs conduct in the Suarez affair can be understated in all this. It surely was a factor in him getting the boot.

Nah - if results were good, Dalglish could have chased Evra around Anfield in a pick up truck emblazoned with confederate flag, wearing white sheet over his head and carrying a burning cross and he'd still have the job today!!

Keanes Road
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Posted: 16-May-2012 17:51
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Originally posted by cityoftribes:
It amazes me the way some supporters are talking like all they need do is click their fingers and managers will come running. Not once has it dawned on them that the majority of the top european managers won't go near the club as it is just not an attractive proposition. Has the last 20 years not thought them anything? They have essentially become a 2nd rate club in terms of the Premier League.

Well to be fair Liverpool are still a prestige’s club and many a manager would love a crack at managing them. I think the hopes of Pep and Jose are too far flung but there is a level of manager below that they should be aiming for.
Jimmy Conway
(364 Posts)
Posted: 16-May-2012 17:55
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Originally posted by cityoftribes:
It amazes me the way some supporters are talking like all they need do is click their fingers and managers will come running. Not once has it dawned on them that the majority of the top european managers won't go near the club as it is just not an attractive proposition. Has the last 20 years not thought them anything? They have essentially become a 2nd rate club in terms of the Premier League.

The PEP comment was tongue in cheek, i don't see any chance of them getting him. Liverpool are way down the pecking order in Europe at the moment but as another poster said earlier the fact that they are so low may make them attractive. They'll probably finish in a better position in the league next year regardless of who's managing so it would be an attractive job in that sense
Hitch
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Posted: 16-May-2012 17:55
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Originally posted by Keanes Road:
but there is a level of manager below that they should be aiming for.

Pat Dolan?
cityoftribes
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Posted: 16-May-2012 17:57
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Originally posted by Rebel CNC:
Nah - if results were good, Dalglish could have chased Evra around Anfield in a pick up truck emblazoned with confederate flag, wearing white sheet over his head and carrying a burning cross and he'd still have the job today!!

I couldn't disagree with you more.
perth06
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Posted: 16-May-2012 18:00
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Is Rebel gone on the beer? Is idol has gone and left a huge mess in his wake, blew 120m on average players. Handled the Suarez affair poorly. It will take some manager to clean up his mess and a brave one? to get rid of the deadwood like carragher and gerrard(vastly overrated and now injury prone and not very effective.

Now rebel will come back with his usual guff that Villa are in a worst spot bla bla bla but it is a pity that your King Kenny wasn't left in charge as they would be closer to Villa next season, rather than utd/city and the rest of the teams at the top in of the league.
Hidalgo
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Posted: 16-May-2012 18:01
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Originally posted by Sledgehammer:
It does, but means like Chelsea now, sacking a manager every year, crazy.

I wouldn't equal it to Chelsea just yet. Every Chelsea manager that has got the road has been done by Abromovich

Today is the first time FSG have lowered the blade on a manager they've appointed.
I just hope that they have at minimum a short list of candidates drawn up. I guess they''ve invested a shed-load of money and see things going backwards rather than forwards.
Hidalgo
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Posted: 16-May-2012 18:10
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Originally posted by Rebel CNC:
Nah - if results were good, Dalglish could have chased Evra around Anfield in a pick up truck emblazoned with confederate flag, wearing white sheet over his head and carrying a burning cross and he'd still have the job today!!

Post of the thread.
An Early Bath
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Posted: 16-May-2012 18:12
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Originally posted by Fintan Franks:
Please note that people are walking around the training ground with smiles on their faces, and this my friends is down to the management of Kennyplease note also that kennys daughter is quite tasty
Her name is Kelly.

You know the rules man!
busdriver
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Posted: 16-May-2012 18:16
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will always be the king irrespective
suarez carroll henderson downing and adam are the culprits imo and all are international players who did not fulfill their respective contracts with liverpool fc and as a result a man with more class in his big toe than the lot of them put together has to walk the plank.
looking to the future i suppose the new manager will trot out the line of liverpool being a massive club etc etc when in fact we can no longer be classed as such
as a liverpool fan since the seventies i would have to say that we seem to glorify the ordinary now more than ever and rarely if ever see the extraordinary occur at liverpool. its been seven seasons since the comeback game and thats the last time we seen anything out of the ordinary from a liverpool team.
the list of ordinary players seems endless and to cap it all now we see roy calling up johnson carroll downing gerrard and to add insult to injury hendo is on standby
you could not make it up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hidalgo
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Posted: 16-May-2012 18:19
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Although the name isn't what it was when it comes to attracting a new manager, if they pay enough & give a big enough war chest, they'll still be able to attract someone decent. Not the Mourinhos of this world, but someone capable of at least bringing them back to the spell of Benitez (top 4 finishes regularly, getting to latter stages of CL)

Re the odds on the bookies, they've been notorious in the past for getting it wrong so I wouldn't be lumping the salary on Martinez.
One positive thing he has is his profile fits what FSG sought when they bought the club, young and ambitious.

With a lesser know name as manager, it would give them the option of appointing a big name DOF, the bigger the manager, the less the DOF role imo. One of those positions would need to be a big one as the name will have to be used to try and attract new signings.

If Dalglish had been kept, I'd say he'd have got little to no money this summer, at least with them acting now it gives more time to put a new man in place & gives him more time to sort out his squad.

AVB is another name who might be gettable. Klopp another name mentioned but why would he want to leave Dortmund after back to back Bundesliga's & after this seasons poor showing in the CL I'm sure he'll want to rectify that.

Whomever gets it, the owners & their advisers need to ensure it's the right appointment, or it'll simply be a case of de javu all over again.
Hidalgo
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Posted: 16-May-2012 18:21
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Originally posted by busdriver:
will always be the king irrespective
suarez carroll henderson downing and adam are the culprits imo and all are international players who did not fulfill their respective contracts with liverpool fc and as a result a man with more class in his big toe than the lot of them put together has to walk the plank.
looking to the future i suppose the new manager will trot out the line of liverpool being a massive club etc etc when in fact we can no longer be classed as such
as a liverpool fan since the seventies i would have to say that we seem to glorify the ordinary now more than ever and rarely if ever see the extraordinary occur at liverpool. its been seven seasons since the comeback game and thats the last time we seen anything out of the ordinary from a liverpool team.
the list of ordinary players seems endless and to cap it all now we see roy calling up johnson carroll downing gerrard and to add insult to injury hendo is on standby
you could not make it up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ou can blame the players being crap, but who bought them. Also, Carroll is barley an international, only a few caps. It's not like he's been England's no. 9 for the last 5 years.

Long & the short of it is that it's the managers brief to get the best out of his resources.

Rebel CNC
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Posted: 16-May-2012 18:47
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Originally posted by Hidalgo:
ou can blame the players being crap, but who bought them. Also, Carroll is barley an international, only a few caps. It's not like he's been England's no. 9 for the last 5 years.Long & the short of it is that it's the managers brief to get the best out of his resources.

True

If one or two of them didn't perform, you could say that they just weren't up to it or just lost form or went off the rails following big money move, etc

However, the fact that most of his acquisitions had woeful season, along with usually dependable existing players like Reina and Kuyt would suggest the manager is at fault.

If new manager could get likes of Carroll, Adam, Downing back to their pre Liverpool form and re-energisge Kuyt, etc, yanks may not need to be splashing out massive amount on transfer funds again.

Sorry to see him go but better this way than having a bad start to next season and grumblings from Kop getting louder and more insistent.

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