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Do the Print media feel threatened by message boards
South Limerick Referee
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22-May-2012 08:11
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JohnDillon
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Originally posted by South Limerick Referee:
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Depends on what threats they perceive.
What have message boards done (as apart from the internet in general).
1. It gives a capability for people with no/some/alot of knowledge and insight the capability to comment on and/or provide information to the public.
2. Many moons ago and lot of rumor/local knowledge was being hoovered up by print journos and being published as informed/exclusive commentary. It is getting more difficult if not impossible for print media to claim exclusivity anymore OR represent things as resulting from detailed investigation.
3. It is evident that print media are scraping forums for comments/insights so in one way it is making it easier for them to get information however they are not citing sources and it is getting difficult for them to validate sources.
4. Articles can immediately be contradicted etc once published. I think message boards are shining a bright on the quality (or lack of) journalism.
I think they are challenged by forums (in particular where specific interests such as the GAA are the topic of discussion), I do not think they should feel threatened yet.
Halpin
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22-May-2012 09:18
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I don't know about feeling threatened.
A lot of journalists have used this site to help them write their articles.
ballygowan
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Maybe five years ago the answer would have been yes but message boards, including this site, are dying a slow death.
See here for more :
http://www.anfearrua.com/topic.aspx?id=1203858
Open the Shoulders
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22-May-2012 11:30
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Just as a lot of threads here are based on newspaper articles.
Originally posted by Halpin:
I don't know about feeling threatened.
A lot of journalists have used this site to help them write their articles.
theblack&amber
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22-May-2012 11:51
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Originally posted by ballygowan:
Maybe five years ago the answer would have been yes but message boards, including this site, are dying a slow death.
On the contrary I think message boards are starting to go hand in hand with the print media now.
A lot of message boards, particularly the more specific county/club forum sites, would have club members on them with first hand knowledge of injuries, suspensions things like that (especially for those journo's doing pieces at club level), items of interest that journo's can look at.
These websites are also of interest to the journo's in regards to fan reaction/fan thinking.
It maybe a bit lazy on the part of some journo's, but I reckon they rely more on message boards than they'd like to admit, not to mention if you're doing an article its worth a look anyway, so no, I wouldn't think they're threatened by them.
ringmoylan
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22-May-2012 16:14
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An ironic question from a failed writer.
carryharry
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22-May-2012 16:21
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@ Ringmoylan, failed in what way?
Your a nasty peice of work behind the keyboard alright.
Unlimited Heartbreak although devisive for some is a quality piece of work imo.
ballygowan
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Originally posted by ringmoylan:
An ironic question from a failed writer.
A moronic post which in a roundabout way proves my point - the standard has dropped so far that every second post on AFR is a WUM / troll.
cityoftribes
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22-May-2012 17:37
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Originally posted by ringmoylan:
An ironic question from a failed writer.
Should you ever attain the literacy skills to read his book, you'll find he's anything but a failed writer.
The Parting Gas
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Originally posted by JohnDillon:
Depends on what threats they perceive.What have message boards done (as apart from the internet in general).1. It gives a capability for people with no/some/alot of knowledge and insight the capability to comment on and/or provide information to the public.2. Many moons ago and lot of rumor/local knowledge was being hoovered up by print journos and being published as informed/exclusive commentary. It is getting more difficult if not impossible for print media to claim exclusivity anymore OR represent things as resulting from detailed investigation.3. It is evident that print media are scraping forums for comments/insights so in one way it is making it easier for them to get information however they are not citing sources and it is getting difficult for them to validate sources.4. Articles can immediately be contradicted etc once published. I think message boards are shining a bright on the quality (or lack of) journalism.I think they are challenged by forums (in particular where specific interests such as the GAA are the topic of discussion), I do not think they should feel threatened yet.
Good question, and I think John Dillon hits on a few of the key points involved here.
I wouldn't say print hacks have anything in particular against message boards (bar some touchy souls who don't like being criticised*), the real threat they fear is so-called 'aggregator sites', which hoover up the news which papers put together and then stick it all on their site for free.
Of course, it's not a black and white issue, as papers do a bit of this themselves. However, the reality is that journalism costs money, and if nobody's paying for it, it'll disappear or seriously diminish. And though many on here will be slow to acknowledge it, that will harm democracy because there will be less light shined into the dark corners of our society. Barring few exceptions, 'citizen journalists' and self-regarding bloggers won't take up the slack, simply because they're part-timers, can't devote themselves fully to it and don't have the same range of contacts as a functioning news organisation.
I read a piece recently by the writer of The Wire - a former police reporter - where he talked about how cop shootings are now going virtually uninvestigated because there's nobody from his old paper to look into them.
There are all sorts of valid points that can be made about the Irish media and its various deficiencies, but the basic point is, the less news organisations that are about, the poorer the country is for it.
*That said, there are a lot of keyboard warriors on here who post all sorts of sneering rubbish on all manner of topics that they would never have the balls to bring up in the presence of the individual discussed. A lot of times, they seem to be trying to outdo each other in their disdain. I vividly recall the day I read one gobsh!te describe the Examiner as a 'rag'.
ian o b
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Originally posted by ringmoylan:
An ironic question from a failed writer.
Has he writers block?
staycalm
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Whatever about him being failed, that's a different issue altgether but I think you will find he is more of an editor than an author. He puts interviews together in book form which is different to actually writing a book
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I have read a lot of GAA books SC, but the format and detailed interviews complied by SLR was a great read. One of the better GAA books i have read.
South Limerick Referee
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I was going to do the John Allen on it and pretend I didnt read it, but no. On another note does anyone really believe him after going on RTE a few years ago and displaying AFR on screen, and how does he know the comments are scurrilous if he doesnt read them. As an individual I have been subjected to more abuse than anyone on this site, but I dont go around pretending I didnt see it. But thats another matter.
Its not the first time I have heard this failed writer thing. Perhaps some view me as a failed writer and some dont. I am not saying they are right or wrong. If thats the case so be it, thats for others to judge.
I did the three books Unlimited Heartbreak sold well, the Galbally GAA history sold well, but the Mick Mackey book seems to be more of a warehouse occupier than the other two. I also wrote a few articles from time to time.
It wasnt always plain sailing. Was culled from the Limerick Leader and would always hold strong views on that and Hurling World discontinued. Continue to write for this site, but unfortunately the books have taken their toll on me and the appetite isnt really there for writing any more and I am applying to do a Masters in the Autumn.
If I am honest I prefer to view myself as a semi-retired writer at this stage but if people feel I am a failed writer let them off, I wont lose any sleep over it.
Originally posted by ringmoylan:
An ironic question from a failed writer.
South Limerick Referee
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I wouldnt necessarily disagree. I compiled a book rather than creating a book in one sense. Some would say thats an editor, but I guess the one thing I did do was pull all the strands together to generate the story. Its not simply a collection of interviews as in Voices from Croke Park for instance. So from that point of view, I guess there was an element of author as much as editor there.
Originally posted by staycalm:
Whatever about him being failed, that's a different issue altgether but I think you will find he is more of an editor than an author. He puts interviews together in book form which is different to actually writing a book
greendolphin
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Originally posted by South Limerick Referee:
I wouldnt necessarily disagree. I compiled a book rather than creating a book in one sense. Some would say thats an editor, but I guess the one thing I did do was pull all the strands together to generate the story. Its not simply a collection of interviews as in Voices from Croke Park for instance. So from that point of view, I guess there was an element of author as much as editor there.
Do you mind me asking the title of your book SLR? It's been a while since I read a GAA book.
ian o b
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Originally posted by South Limerick Referee:
Was culled from the Limerick Leader and would always hold strong views on that and Hurling World discontinued. Continue to write for this site, but unfortunately the books have taken their toll on me and the appetite isnt really there for writing any more and I am applying to do a Masters in the Autumn. If I am honest I prefer to view myself as a semi-retired writer at this stage but if people feel I am a failed writer let them off, I wont lose any sleep over it.
Still have issues 1 & 2 of Hurling World on the shelf. They remind me of the last time we dared to dream big dreams for Waterford hurling. You can bring out issues 3 & 4 the next time we make it to September. It'd be a nice way to round it out.
staycalm
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Originally posted by South Limerick Referee:
I wouldnt necessarily disagree. I compiled a book rather than creating a book in one sense. Some would say thats an editor, but I guess the one thing I did do was pull all the strands together to generate the story. Its not simply a collection of interviews as in Voices from Croke Park for instance. So from that point of view, I guess there was an element of author as much as editor there.
I wasn't having a go. I just meant that compared to a book like, let's say, Christy O Connor's The Club, you're books are a different format. It can work for some books but not for others. I have every kind of sports book you can imagine ranging from Donal Og's to Ian Botham's to Colin Montgomerie's and some of them can be right muck. Unlimited Heartbreak was a good read but I wont lie, I didnt enjoy the Mick Mackey one. Whether it was because the stories and interviews were from a different era or what I dont know, but I just cant manage to get into it.
Still, I won't ever be doing a book so editor, author, whatever, fair play
South Limerick Referee
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I think the Mackey book was an acquired taste. Not everyone reads about that era and given a choice, I would always opt for a modern hurling book over an older one myself. Some of those who read it preferred it to Unlimited Heartbreak which was surprising but maybe thats because it was less controversial
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I suppose like you said, it just wasn't relevant to me so I couldn't get stuck into it really. I've always thought that there was a book to be got from Ciaran. His would not be the usual drivel about playing matches and going to training etc. At least his would have a story to tell which I always feel make the best autobiographies. Just need someone to write it now. Away you go.....
32&Counting
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Originally posted by Halpin:
I don't know about feeling threatened.
A lot of journalists have used this site to help them write their articles.
Where is the evidence for this?
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Originally posted by 32&Counting:
Where is the evidence for this?
I put up a match report of the Waterford Crystal Final match between Tipperary and Cork earlier this year, later that evening there was a report on the Examiner website with no name attached. It was practically word for word the same as the report i put up here.
When i pointed this out on the forum my post disappeared for some reason.
I would think a lot of content on here can be the basis of an article for some journalist.
In a way it is a good thing as well, it shows they are close to the pulse of the fans really.
JohnDillon
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Originally posted by carryharry:
I put up a match report of the Waterford Crystal Final match between Tipperary and Cork earlier this year, later that evening there was a report on the Examiner website with no name attached. It was practically word for word the same as the report i put up here.When i pointed this out on the forum my post disappeared for some reason.I would think a lot of content on here can be the basis of an article for some journalist.
In a way it is a good thing as well, it shows they are close to the pulse of the fans really.
Sources should be cited. That would end all debate... It's not like there are folks on here expecting payment for their insights (are there?).
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I agree. A lot of online reports seem to neglect to name an author.
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