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Topic: Property purchase - question
N16
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Posted: 23-May-2012 07:49
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The Mrs and I have been looking into buying somewhere in London and have enough for a deposit - but the 3% stamp duty we would have to pay is blowing us out of the water.
Dont want to leave the money sitting there so we're half thinking of buying to let in Dublin city.
Been in London over 12 years and know nothing about purchasing a place in Ireland. In no immediate hurry either, going to wait a bit to see what happens with the Euro.
Whats the score with buying in ireland - what tax is there on buying a place etc? Any other costs outside of fees etc would we have to work into the purchase?
Halpin
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Posted: 23-May-2012 09:45
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Originally posted by N16:
The Mrs and I have been looking into buying somewhere in London and have enough for a deposit - but the 3% stamp duty we would have to pay is blowing us out of the water.

If the 3% causes you such trouble, then perhaps you aren't in a strong enough position financially to buy.
interpol
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Posted: 23-May-2012 09:52
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I'll sell you the one I have. Sitting tenant who covers the mortgage in a good rental area in Dublin.

There will be no extra fees involved apart from what our solicitors charge us. Usually 1K, but that could be negotiated.
N16
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Posted: 23-May-2012 09:53
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Originally posted by Halpin:
If the 3% causes you such trouble, then perhaps you aren't in a strong enough position financially to buy.

3% of the actual property price. Which is a fair whack when you're looking at places for half a million.
Much cheaper places in Dublin with the property situation the way it is.

I just want to know what taxes etc would I be paying in Dublin if I were buying a place. Say 250k, can well aford that, could afford to just leave it and not let it if needed and be more than comfortable.
Where I live and even outer London you'd get sfa for that sort of money - thats why we were looking at places twice that value.
N16
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Posted: 23-May-2012 10:28
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Originally posted by interpol:
I'll sell you the one I have. Sitting tenant who covers the mortgage in a good rental area in Dublin. There will be no extra fees involved apart from what our solicitors charge us. Usually 1K, but that could be negotiated.

I havent even gone down the oad of sorting a mortgage yet - only came into my head in the last few days.
Is there no tax charged by the government when proeprty changes hands?
Even first time buyers you get screwed here.

Rebel CNC
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Posted: 23-May-2012 10:32
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You're resident in UK so rental profits (if you let) will be taxed in UK at your marginal tax rate there. You will need to include it in your UK tax return as foreign rental income.
Whether you let it or not you will be hit with water charges and new property tax which for a decent place in Dublin will probably be over €1k, possibly €2k within next two or three years.
Have you already a mortgage in UK? Stamp duty is only 1% for first time buyers there and considering the woes of the eurozone and potential meltdown, blighty may be better/safer bet for you.
N16
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Posted: 23-May-2012 10:41
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Originally posted by Rebel CNC:
You're resident in UK so rental profits (if you let) will be taxed in UK at your marginal tax rate there. You will need to include it in your UK tax return as foreign rental income.
Whether you let it or not you will be hit with water charges and new property tax which for a decent place in Dublin will probably be over €1k, possibly €2k within next two or three years.
Have you already a mortgage in UK? Stamp duty is only 1% for first time buyers there and considering the woes of the eurozone and potential meltdown, blighty may be better/safer bet for you.

Cheers for that RCNC.
We'd be first time buyers in the UK and yeah, ideally I'd like to buy here. Stamp duty is 1% up to £250k even for first time buyers. Butv after that up to £500k its 3%. We have a 1 year old and dont wnat to leave where we live and if we did, we'd have to lvie in a right poke/hovel to get somewhere for £250k or less. We dont qualify for shared ownership schemes as my income alone is over the top backet for qualifying for that. So we're stuck with this money and I'd like to throw it into something like property.
Yeah, I'm keeping an eye on the Eurozone and wouldnt touch anything just yet. But the long term plan is to return to ireland and having an apartment in Dublin would be handy in years to come. Hard to judge if the market is rock bottom, will depend on a lot in the enxt 12 months, so keeping my options open somewhat.
theface2010
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Posted: 23-May-2012 11:24
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@N16-I thought you hated Dublin:). My own advice would be to hold off at least another 12 months-prices are still falling here and anyone telling you any different is a liar. The only places I'd look at if I was you are apartments in around the IFSC-some of those are going for around €175k at auction and you are pretty much guaranteed rental income there of at least €2k per month. There are management fees and you will be liable for the new property and water taxes and nobody can tell what they will be in 2 or 3 years time. If I had the cash, I would buy one in the morning but they're not giving out mortgages here-approx €25k rental income per year on a €175k investment if you can find the right one.
N16
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Posted: 23-May-2012 11:29
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Originally posted by theface2010:
@N16-I thought you hated Dublin:). My own advice would be to hold off at least another 12 months-prices are still falling here and anyone telling you any different is a liar. The only places I'd look at if I was you are apartments in around the IFSC-some of those are going for around €175k at auction and you are pretty much guaranteed rental income there of at least €2k per month. There are management fees and you will be liable for the new property and water taxes and nobody can tell what they will be in 2 or 3 years time. If I had the cash, I would buy one in the morning but they're not giving out mortgages here-approx €25k rental income per year on a €175k investment if you can find the right one.

Cheers face. I wouldnt like to live in Dublin, much prefer the quality of life in London. But still I see it as a safe investment. I'm in no hurry anwyay, would be at least 6 months before I'd get serious. Just trying to work out what extra costs there are. Cant believe they dont charge tax on the purchase/sale of properties in Ireland. Imagine how much money the government would have amde during the boom.
theface2010
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Posted: 23-May-2012 11:36
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Originally posted by N16:
Cheers face. I wouldnt like to live in Dublin, much prefer the quality of life in London. But still I see it as a safe investment. I'm in no hurry anwyay, would be at least 6 months before I'd get serious. Just trying to work out what extra costs there are. Cant believe they dont charge tax on the purchase/sale of properties in Ireland. Imagine how much money the government would have amde during the boom.

Not sure if you are being sarcastic Eaststand but they did have stamp duty during the boom-the government got billions from it and wisely used this money to increase public service pay levels and secure their vote. It is the reason why anyone who bought during the boom is(rightly) outraged at the thoughts of a property tax when they have already paid their property tax in the form of stamp duty.

N16
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Posted: 23-May-2012 11:38
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Originally posted by theface2010:
Not sure if you are being sarcastic Eaststand but they did have stamp duty during the boom-the government got billions from it and wisely used this money to increase public service pay levels and secure their vote. It is the reason why anyone who bought during the boom is(rightly) outraged at the thoughts of a property tax when they have already paid their property tax in the form of stamp duty.


So has stamp duty been scrapped then or whats the score?
Man with the Cap
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Posted: 23-May-2012 14:19
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http://www.morrisonestates.ie/information-for-buyers.html

Worth a look.
theface2010
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Posted: 23-May-2012 14:31
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Originally posted by N16:
So has stamp duty been scrapped then or whats the score?

Afaik there is still stamp duty of 2% but could be wrong.

sunnyglen
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Posted: 23-May-2012 15:03
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N16 you may find it hard to get a mortgage, my sister is in england also and is looking to build here but she cant get a mortgage from the Irish banks as she doent earn an income here. The uk banks wont give her a mortgage for an irish property either.
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