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Topic: John Allen
cityoftribes
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Posted: 28-May-2012 15:39
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Originally posted by ProjX:
ok, so saying that someone is not up to a job following a disaster of a league campaign is Bile?Hmmm, ok so. Lets use that definition for future reference.By the way, wasn't I correct in my prediction after the first game that John would not get the side promoted?

Saying something is one thing. How you say it is another. On that point I suggest you look up the meaning of 'bile' and then apologise to 'Be Timberin' because he has it spot on. At least be man enough to admit what everyone sees here, you have an agenda against John Allen, as shown by the fact that you were calling for his head after one league game, you have never given him a chance.

Like I said, change the record, very repetitive and boring stuff altogether.
This message has been edited - 28-may-2012 @ 15:55
limerick4liam
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Posted: 28-May-2012 16:09
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Blaming fitness for our defeat?? No, Just no...
Tipp's strength, depth and experience.
gin and tonic
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Posted: 28-May-2012 16:38
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Originally posted by inthenameajaysus:
The man deserves some praise for the way he had limerick primed and ready for tipp yesterday.. it didnt seem to be going that way during the league..he deserves some criticism though for bringing on a clearly unfit Declan Hannon.. O' Mahoney lorded the game after that if it wasnt the losing of the game for Limerick it certainly helped tipp..


The man is a tactical genius and the best of his management skills has yet to be seen by loyal Limerick hurling fans. Limerick supporters have very short memories when you look back on some of the managers that we were unlucky to have involved with us. I don't have to name them as you all know to whom I am referring. This side that both donal and now John has developed are going to bring us silverware in the near future. The coaching is second to none. I mean look at how our backs performed in close quarters yesterday winning quality ball time and time again. If I can be a little bit negative I felt that our half forward line did not win or contest any ball. Every player wants to catch the ball in the modern game when a simple pull on the ball would be far more effective. No there are many positives to take from yesterday.

ProjX
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Posted: 28-May-2012 16:50
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Originally posted by cityoftribes:
Saying something is one thing. How you say it is another. On that point I suggest you look up the meaning of 'bile' and then apologise to 'Be Timberin' because he has it spot on. At least be man enough to admit what everyone sees here, you have an agenda against John Allen, as shown by the fact that you were calling for his head after one league game, you have never given him a chance.Like I said, change the record, very repetitive and boring stuff altogether.

I have no agenda against John Allen. I would like nothing more than to see him succeed and win 10 All Irelands in a row for Limerick. You are speaking nonsense again.

I was the person who highlighted the fact some months back that he would struggle in the job. this has proven to be the case. This was obvious to hurling people a long time back.

So, fact it I have been correct in predicting everything that has happened since the strikers saw their own county relegated. Others such as GlasAndBan supported the relegation of the Limerick team in 2010 and the strikers and we are paying the price since.

cityoftribes
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Posted: 28-May-2012 16:55
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Originally posted by ProjX:
I have no agenda against John Allen. I would like nothing more than to see him succeed and win 10 All Irelands in a row for Limerick. You are speaking nonsense again.I was the person who highlighted the fact some months back that he would struggle in the job. this has proven to be the case. This was obvious to hurling people a long time back. So, fact it I have been correct in predicting everything that has happened since the strikers saw their own county relegated. Others such as GlasAndBan supported the relegation of the Limerick team in 2010 and the strikers and we are paying the price since.

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day. I'm kind of regretting now replying to you as I've noticed since that alot of people have rightly flagged you as a wum with an agenda who spouts bile.

Two questions for you:

Firstly, condsidering you have been calling for his head since after the first league game why not give him a chance? He's in the job now, so why not give him at least 1 season to see what he can do before passing judgement. surely that's the least that any manager deserves.

Secondly, what's your Plan B? If he was shown the door tomorrow, who would you like to see as his long term replacement and what would you like to see done to ensure problems like this dont arise in the future?
ian o b
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Posted: 28-May-2012 17:19
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ProjX, have you not realised that Limerick hurling is the victim of a conspiracy worthy of a Dan Browne novel.

It is a little reported fact that the (un)Freemasons AND the Illuminati recognised during the summer of '07 that Limericks 3-in-a-row team from the earlier years in the decade were starting to reap a rich harvest.

This you can be sure wouldn't do. The merchant princes of Cork were prepared to bankroll the sabotage through a puppet/stooge that wouldn't have his credentials/motivations questioned too deeply.

The first step was to sow discord into the county (divide and conquer always being a good start). This was known as the "Justinisation Phase".

Step two was to bring a form of unity under a false flag, now everyone is pulling together. This was code-named "Dograding the Treaty"

Limerick are now in step three, everyone is pulling together, BUT, in the wrong direction. This is referred to in the secret meetings that took place as "turning the Allen key".

All these meetings took place in FULL public view. The main location was at Kilkenny football matches and training sessions. Privacy was guaranteed and assured.

Well done to ProjX for spotting that something was wrong. Instead of mocking him, ye should be applauding him.


Kobe Shefflin
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Posted: 28-May-2012 18:02
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Does this mean that all other managers of Limerick who have not managed to win a game in the Munster championship are failures also? The fact of the matter is that we're rebuilding, we can't delude ourselves by thinking we deserve to be at the top table. We haven't had any realm of success in recent times to suggest this.

Richie got us to an All-Ireland final for the first time in 11 years in 2007. We lost, does that make that year unsuccessful because we're "Limerick", perennial All-Ireland challengers? Come off it. In John Allen, we have a man who has experience of winning an All-Ireland and also who wants to stay for longer than a year. People dish out that he was merely in charge of Donal O'Grady's team which had great players. Does that mean then by that logic that Brian Cody's All-Irelands are tarnished because he has also only been in charge of fantastic players? Ridiculous, you need to have certain skills to bring Sam or Liam to a county. To question Allen's pedigree is crazy.

People need time in order to see results. Wanting to see instantaneous results like ProjX seems intent on getting, is both unrealistic and foolish. Say John Allen was to be let go, how could you expect his replacement to deliver immediately? It's neither logical or humanly possible.
glasandbán
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Posted: 28-May-2012 18:09
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Kobe Shefflin, I think you are being very unfair to Proj X there. You are entirely misrepresenting his views. He didn't demand immediate success.

Proj X has clearly said that Allen should be dropped after the league and we should use the championship to develop a team for 2013! Perfectly reasonable Kobe! I think you owe Proj X an apology!

Now, we should use the qualifiers to develop a team. We should start by introducing a few young lads to forwards....
ProjX
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Posted: 28-May-2012 18:16
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Originally posted by glasandbán:
Kobe Shefflin, I think you are being very unfair to Proj X there. You are entirely misrepresenting his views. He didn't demand immediate success.Proj X has clearly said that Allen should be dropped after the league and we should use the championship to develop a team for 2013! Perfectly reasonable Kobe! I think you owe Proj X an apology!Now, we should use the qualifiers to develop a team. We should start by introducing a few young lads to forwards....

In 2009 and 2010 glasandban wanted to see Limerick relegated to division 2 rather than see Justin remain as manager.

That's all there is to say on that really.
Kobe Shefflin
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Posted: 28-May-2012 18:19
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Reasonable to give a manager the boot after 4-5 months, and then expect a replacement to have sufficient time then to get a panel of 30 players ready to mount a championship challenge? Saying that we should be beating everybody when we have no history of winning lots of games in the last decade and a half?

Right so Ted!!
ProjX
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Posted: 28-May-2012 18:29
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Originally posted by Kobe Shefflin:
Reasonable to give a manager the boot after 4-5 months, and then expect a replacement to have sufficient time then to get a panel of 30 players ready to mount a championship challenge? Saying that we should be beating everybody when we have no history of winning lots of games in the last decade and a half?Right so Ted!!

True, but the young players we have now are very talented and will be winning All Ireland's.

Let's set the expectation of winning and drop the moral victory brigade.
glasandbán
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Posted: 28-May-2012 18:47
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Originally posted by ProjX:
In 2009 and 2010 glasandban wanted to see Limerick relegated to division 2 rather than see Justin remain as manager.
That's all there is to say on that really.

Ian O B it's all out in the open now.

You got me X, I did, I wanted to see Limerick relegated. And I got it done too. I pulled all the strings and I managed it. I even managed to have to have the league format revamped this year to keep us in the lower division. Gave me great satisfaction that did. You've uncovered my whole plan. Now will you please go away?
carryharry
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Posted: 28-May-2012 19:42
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Originally posted by ian o b:

ProjX, have you not realised that Limerick hurling is the victim of a conspiracy worthy of a Dan Browne novel. It is a little reported fact that the (un)Freemasons AND the Illuminati recognised during the summer of '07 that Limericks 3-in-a-row team from the earlier years in the decade were starting to reap a rich harvest. This you can be sure wouldn't do. The merchant princes of Cork were prepared to bankroll the sabotage through a puppet/stooge that wouldn't have his credentials/motivations questioned too deeply. The first step was to sow discord into the county (divide and conquer always being a good start). This was known as the "Justinisation Phase". Step two was to bring a form of unity under a false flag, now everyone is pulling together. This was code-named "Dograding the Treaty" Limerick are now in step three, everyone is pulling together, BUT, in the wrong direction. This is referred to in the secret meetings that took place as "turning the Allen key". All these meetings took place in FULL public view. The main location was at Kilkenny football matches and training sessions. Privacy was guaranteed and assured. Well done to ProjX for spotting that something was wrong. Instead of mocking him, ye should be applauding him.

Take a bow Ian!
yankeelad
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Posted: 28-May-2012 19:52
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Originally posted by ian o b:

ProjX, have you not realised that Limerick hurling is the victim of a conspiracy worthy of a Dan Browne novel. It is a little reported fact that the (un)Freemasons AND the Illuminati recognised during the summer of '07 that Limericks 3-in-a-row team from the earlier years in the decade were starting to reap a rich harvest. This you can be sure wouldn't do. The merchant princes of Cork were prepared to bankroll the sabotage through a puppet/stooge that wouldn't have his credentials/motivations questioned too deeply. The first step was to sow discord into the county (divide and conquer always being a good start). This was known as the "Justinisation Phase". Step two was to bring a form of unity under a false flag, now everyone is pulling together. This was code-named "Dograding the Treaty" Limerick are now in step three, everyone is pulling together, BUT, in the wrong direction. This is referred to in the secret meetings that took place as "turning the Allen key". All these meetings took place in FULL public view. The main location was at Kilkenny football matches and training sessions. Privacy was guaranteed and assured. Well done to ProjX for spotting that something was wrong. Instead of mocking him, ye should be applauding him.
Someone say we had no original posters on this site.How dare they as this post is as good as it gets.Agree with harry.Take your bow Ian you brought a smile to my face

inthenameajaysus
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Posted: 29-May-2012 13:27
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I haven't looked at the thread since yesterday evening.

I had been hoping for a pile of intelligent insightful posts to respond to!!

Fair to say it has been ruined..

ProjX, will you ever just fcuk off, I don't think there has ever been a bigger waste of a keyboard on here than yourself.. closely followed by the people that indulge you!!
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scelp
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Posted: 29-May-2012 16:50
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Hint of unintended irony at the end of your post there Jaysus?!
glasandbán
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Posted: 29-May-2012 17:32
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Originally posted by scelp:
Hint of unintended irony at the end of your post there Jaysus?!

Perhaps! But he gets good points for the "waste of a keyboard" comment, best put down I've seen here in a long while!
John Collins
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Posted: 29-May-2012 18:23
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Lads
I, like many others, would not agree with our substitutions last Sunday but once more something very substantial is being overlooked. Ever since 98 no one outside the big three has won an Ireland. I feel the six subs rule has whole lot to do with this. Corks first fifteen were beat up a stick by the starting Clare team twice in the past decade. However on both occasions they were able to bring a fresh man into every line in the field and this proved decisive. Of course Clare LK or Waterford, etc will always find it hard to have about twenty eight men up to this standard as you really need now to allow for injuries etc. It was no coincidence that Men from Kerry, Kilkenny and Cork were in top positions in the GAA when these changes were introduced.
inthenameajaysus
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Posted: 29-May-2012 18:36
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Originally posted by scelp:
Hint of unintended irony at the end of your post there Jaysus?!

Ha ha true enough, i did felt sufficiently aggrieved to post the comment but am aware that it dilutes the impact of my overall statement, good irony!!

hurling immortal
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Posted: 29-May-2012 18:43
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i think with seamus hickey and a fully fit declan hannon limerick will be an extremely tough nut to crack..dowling on one wing, and hannon on the other are probably capable of scoring 7 or 8 points from play in almost every match they go out..i do think they are going places and when the likes of alan dempsey and mark carmody come into the mix (probably next year) they will be capable of beating anyone..
the two biggest factors in limerick losing on sunday were taking off downes and the introduction of bonner maher..(what a war horse he is)imo of course.

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