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BONZO (168 Posts)	Posted: 30-May-2012 10:23	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
BONZO (168 Posts)	In the context of Seanie Johnston's move to Kildare it struck me: how come managers can move with impunity from club to club and from county to county in stark contrast to players who are totally constrained? Surely the same rules should apply to all? Would it not be a simple matter for the GAA to introduce a rule such that managers operate under the same rule as players or indeed it may wel be that that is the case right now but that it has been ignored. Would this not solve the payments to managers controversy in one fell swoop?
Wonderful Fabalous (103 Posts)	Posted: 30-May-2012 10:31	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Wonderful Fabalous (103 Posts)	"Would this not solve the payments to managers controversy in one fell swoop?" No - ridiculous suggestion. Go away.
staycalm (1,081 Posts)	Posted: 30-May-2012 10:37	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
staycalm (1,081 Posts)	Originally posted by BONZO: In the context of Seanie Johnston's move to Kildare it struck me: how come managers can move with impunity from club to club and from county to county in stark contrast to players who are totally constrained? Surely the same rules should apply to all? Would it not be a simple matter for the GAA to introduce a rule such that managers operate under the same rule as players or indeed it may wel be that that is the case right now but that it has been ignored. Would this not solve the payments to managers controversy in one fell swoop? So no person can ever manage outside their own county or club..... Genius, just genius
JoNinety (Power User)	Posted: 30-May-2012 11:10	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
JoNinety (Power User)	Originally posted by BONZO: In the context of Seanie Johnston's move to Kildare it struck me: how come managers can move with impunity from club to club and from county to county in stark contrast to players who are totally constrained? Surely the same rules should apply to all? Would it not be a simple matter for the GAA to introduce a rule such that managers operate under the same rule as players or indeed it may wel be that that is the case right now but that it has been ignored. Would this not solve the payments to managers controversy in one fell swoop? So these shouldn't have been allowed manage anyone but Kerry? Paidí Ó Sé Liam Kearns Mick O'Dwyer Mickey Ned O'Sullivan Tomás Ó Flatharta John Evans
Habanerocat (2,252 Posts)	Posted: 30-May-2012 12:08	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Habanerocat (2,252 Posts)	Originally posted by BONZO: In the context of Seanie Johnston's move to Kildare it struck me: how come managers can move with impunity from club to club and from county to county in stark contrast to players who are totally constrained? Surely the same rules should apply to all? Would it not be a simple matter for the GAA to introduce a rule such that managers operate under the same rule as players or indeed it may wel be that that is the case right now but that it has been ignored. Would this not solve the payments to managers controversy in one fell swoop? This has arisen from time to time but has always been described as unworkable. Oh, that great GAA term, unworkable!
Legalalien (1,681 Posts)	Posted: 30-May-2012 12:28	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Legalalien (1,681 Posts)	Originally posted by BONZO: In the context of Seanie Johnston's move to Kildare it struck me: how come managers can move with impunity from club to club and from county to county in stark contrast to players who are totally constrained? Surely the same rules should apply to all? Would it not be a simple matter for the GAA to introduce a rule such that managers operate under the same rule as players or indeed it may wel be that that is the case right now but that it has been ignored. Would this not solve the payments to managers controversy in one fell swoop? A lot of counties over the years have benefited from non-natives. Don't think this idea is workable. In all honesty if a county or club can afford to pay a manager, I have no objection to it as long as the manager adds value. Too many clubs /counties have paid for managers who frankly have been paid far too much for what they delivered. I personally would prefer a Kilkenny man over Kilkenny but as my club has seen success under a Laois man, I'm not complaining.
BONZO (168 Posts)	Posted: 01-Jun-2012 14:44	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
BONZO (168 Posts)	Originally posted by JoNinety: So these shouldn't have been allowed manage anyone but Kerry? Paidí Ó Sé Liam Kearns Mick O'Dwyer Mickey Ned O'Sullivan Tomás Ó Flatharta John Evans No. Not unless they were happy to go unpaid for their efforts - in line with the rules - and as with the thousands of volunteers who give of their time for zero. By the way, another problem arising frequently at club level is that people making contributions - even for membership - are seeking re-assurance that their cash will not go to the (paid) manager, whom they cant stand.
South Limerick Referee (16,613 Posts)	Posted: 01-Jun-2012 18:50	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
South Limerick Referee (16,613 Posts)	Liam Dunne raises an interesting point here where he wonders aloud if a Clareman Ollie Baker cares about Offaly as much as he cares about Wexford. http://www.southeastradio.ie/podcast/items/2/mixliamdunne.mp3
Roberto Jordan (825 Posts)	Posted: 01-Jun-2012 19:57	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Roberto Jordan (825 Posts)	The issue is that for teh bulk of teh history of teh association the role of the manager was far more limited than it is today at all levels and yet, despite this fact, there were also less people invlved in coaching/ training/ managing teams both in terms of the size of back room teams and the maount of guys who gave it a guy at some stage.... The rules regarding amateurism pre-date the advent and perceived importance of the manager/ trainer and so the application of them is poor in this regard. Simiarly the rules regarding eligibilkity ( parish/ county residency rules) were never really an issue in this regard. However now there is a blatant contradiction in the application of rules in teh two areas above... Personally I think it is a slightly grey area.......as a club or county player I never had any problem with physios, medical staff and even professional physcial trainers being paid for their time.... I did ( & do) though have a bit of a problem with general "trainers" and/or managers collecting a ball of money....primarily as I view management or training / selecting a team as simply another means of participation in the games. I have managed underage teams and junior sides in my club in recent years in cmobination with playing. If the former becomes a chore I will stop however I do not expect it to and feel it is my means to mainitaing involvement in teh association after retiurement from playing. I think that the aruguments around "expertise" moving from county to county are somehwat spurious and no more valid than allowing player smove from county to county at will./ Similarly I have often wondered about guys who stand on opposing sidelines from clubs with whoch they have had playing or coaching involvement in the past....I have seen this in all 4 of teh counties I have played.....It seems contrary to everything that the ethos of the association is based on ....... Personally I think modernistaion of the how we view the size of the roles of managers and trainers woudl require those in volved in backrrom teams to be considered in a similar way to players.... As an aside , to what extent do we owe the advent of the guru manager, coach or physcial trainer to teh growth in gaelic games in tandem with phsycial eductaion etc. at UCD, NIHE and other loactaions in teh 70's and 80's Im thining of Eugene McGEe and others....( apologies to some who knwo I have abolsutely no time for the manner of organisation or approach to our games at third level....in this instnace it is a quetsion rather than a fully formed opinion...)
staycalm (1,081 Posts)	Posted: 01-Jun-2012 20:54	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
staycalm (1,081 Posts)	Originally posted by South Limerick Referee: Liam Dunne raises an interesting point here where he wonders aloud if a Clareman Ollie Baker cares about Offaly as much as he cares about Wexford. http://www.southeastradio.ie/podcast/items/2/mixliamdunne.mp3 Who cares. Makes no difference what Baker thinks of or feels for Offaly as long as he gets results
Blanco (7,909 Posts)	Posted: 01-Jun-2012 21:01	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Blanco (7,909 Posts)	Originally posted by staycalm: Who cares. Makes no difference what Baker thinks of or feels for Offaly as long as he gets results Agree, its totally irrelevant what he feels about Offaly, it only matters how he has done his job in preparing them for matches like tomorrow evening.
elnino (29 Posts)	Posted: 01-Jun-2012 21:06	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
elnino (29 Posts)	[QUOTE]Originally posted by South Limerick Referee: Liam Dunne raises an interesting point here where he wonders aloud if a Clareman Ollie Baker cares about Offaly as much as he cares about Wexford.QUOTE] would u say de same about daylo in the big smoke or dinny cahill wen he was in antrim? This message has been edited - 01-jun-2012 @ 21:07

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