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A big kick in the hole for our politicians?
Hitch
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31-May-2012 16:42
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Hardly 20% turnout for the referendum. When people are in doubt they will sit tight, and that's what is happening now.
Unless there is an almighty surge before 10 pm it will be a massive vote of no confidence in the Govt and Opposition
stones_off
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31-May-2012 16:48
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Originally posted by Hitch:
Hardly 20% turnout for the referendum. When people are in doubt they will sit tight, and that's what is happening now.Unless there is an almighty surge before 10 pm it will be a massive vote of no confidence in the Govt and Opposition
If it is very low, would No probably win or Yes?
What is the minimum turnout required?
iced earth
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31-May-2012 17:02
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If it's a low turnout it would probably suit the no side as I imagine the majority of these voters would be fairly keen to have their say and send a clear signal in the general direction of Kildare Street.
Originally posted by stones_off:
If it is very low, would No probably win or Yes?What is the minimum turnout required?
Rebel CNC
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31-May-2012 17:02
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Originally posted by stones_off:
If it is very low, would No probably win or Yes?What is the minimum turnout required?
Not sure if there is a minimum required.
Generally, low turnout means higher proportion of oldr folk come out to do their duty and they tend to do what main political parties tell them.
However, in this case, possible that only people really caught up in the campaign will vote and the angry protest vote, out to vent their collective spleen, could swing it to no side!!
Gulaad
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31-May-2012 17:25
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Originally posted by stones_off:
If it is very low, would No probably win or Yes?What is the minimum turnout required?
There is definitely no minimum required for the result to stand. A lower turnout is also more helpful to the No side of the coin, historically the case for European referendums anyway, probably due to the the fact that No voters appear more ardent in their convictions and militant in their mobilisation. I did patterns in referendum voting as a research essay in college, and we are definitely a predictable bunch, whether we like it or not!! As for those of ye who say low turnout is aa vote of no confidence in our Government or politicians, I wouldn't agree with that sentiment at all. Low turnout indicates apathy not dissatisfaction, the only way you could idendefy no confidence is a large victory for the No side. The parties on both sides have gone to the bounds of reasonale effort to encourage voting, so its not for a want of trying either.
I feel it is actually a very bad reflection on us as citizens. Every single person complains about our situation yet it appears a vast amount of these people can't be bothered to exercise their right and priviledge to have a say in the direction the country takes.
let it long
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31-May-2012 18:48
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Originally posted by Gulaad:
There is definitely no minimum required for the result to stand. A lower turnout is also more helpful to the No side of the coin, historically the case for European referendums anyway, probably due to the the fact that No voters appear more ardent in their convictions and militant in their mobilisation. I did patterns in referendum voting as a research essay in college, and we are definitely a predictable bunch, whether we like it or not!! As for those of ye who say low turnout is aa vote of no confidence in our Government or politicians, I wouldn't agree with that sentiment at all. Low turnout indicates apathy not dissatisfaction, the only way you could idendefy no confidence is a large victory for the No side. The parties on both sides have gone to the bounds of reasonale effort to encourage voting, so its not for a want of trying either.
I feel it is actually a very bad reflection on us as citizens. Every single person complains about our situation yet it appears a vast amount of these people can't be bothered to exercise their right and priviledge to have a say in the direction the country takes.
100% true. There should be fines for not voting similar to the Australian system
Ozzy
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31-May-2012 18:57
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I can't see it failing. And the pols won't give a damn how low the turnout is if there's a yes. I don't know if the low turnout is solely a reflection of apathy. A veteran political columnist in the Champion today said he wasn't voting cos he was confused by the campaigns. I think many more are in this situation, plus there's a feeling among some that voting doesn't matter, because they know that if there's a no vote there'll just be a rerun anyway. Actually maybe that reflects and explains a lot of the apathy!
The Jedi
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31-May-2012 19:00
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A low turnout alongside a Yes victory will prove that we are a weak populace and are more than willing to obey ours betters. We will deserve everything we get.
Hidalgo
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31-May-2012 19:00
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Originally posted by let it long:
100% true. There should be fines for not voting similar to the Australian system
Yes because forcing people to vote is a cornerstone of democracy. Maybe we organise forcing people to vote in whichever manner we want to guarantee a preferred result, even more democratic.
The Minstrel
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31-May-2012 19:29
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Originally posted by Hidalgo:
Yes because forcing people to vote is a cornerstone of democracy.
Why yes it is. All citizens of Athens were forced to vote on laws proposed by the citizen's assembly. If it's cornerstiones you're looking for, no better place to look than Athens.
Inglis Drever
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31-May-2012 20:16
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Low turnout shows that Irish citizens are still smart. They know that this vote means nothing. If the No vote is carried we will keep voting till we get a Yes. It is only pretend democracy and everybody knows it.
Hold that Line
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31-May-2012 20:22
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The Irish govt seem to have a referendum on something every year. I think people are just jaded by this especially since various govts have had a history of repeating referendums until they get the result they want. Thus people feel it doesn't really matter whether they vote or not in the end.
frasiercrane
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31-May-2012 20:26
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I didnt vote because I dont 100% know what I am voting for or against the same as I didnt vote in any of the Lisbon votes.The politicians are fairly clueless about what this treaty really means for Ireland so how is the average Joe going to have a clue about which side is good for the country.
watchthehop
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31-May-2012 20:52
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A woman I know was shopping in a supermarket last week when she was approached by our local labour TD.He handed her a leaflet seeking a yes vote and told her he didnt understand it himself.
cerebus
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31-May-2012 21:43
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Most people are waiting for the second vote to get it right....again.
Hitch
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31-May-2012 23:19
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Turnout under 50%, that's a big fúck off with yereselves to the politicos!
Blanco
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31-May-2012 23:24
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Originally posted by Hitch:
Turnout under 50%, that's a big fúck off with yereselves to the politicos!
Still going to be a yes majority , and the Government will spin it as a huge vote of confidence in them.
I think it would be great gas if it were a no vote , it makes fcuk all difference anyway , and it would be great fun seeing the likes of Kenny and Gilmore spinning it as really been a yes vote.
let it long
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31-May-2012 23:51
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Originally posted by Blanco:
Still going to be a yes majority , and the Government will spin it as a huge vote of confidence in them.I think it would be great gas if it were a no vote , it makes fcuk all difference anyway , and it would be great fun seeing the likes of Kenny and Gilmore spinning it as really been a yes vote.
Don't know about that Blanco. Breaking news running an exit poll had the no vote at 59%, Boards at 60% and Politics.ie at 60% so could very well be looking at a No.
Blanco
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31-May-2012 23:54
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Originally posted by let it long:
Don't know about that Blanco. Breaking news running an exit poll had the no vote at 59%, Boards at 60% and Politics.ie at 60% so could very well be looking at a No.
I heard the opposite, that an internal FG poll has the yes vote at over 60% and a very comfortable victory for them.
let it long
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31-May-2012 23:57
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Originally posted by Blanco:
I heard the opposite, that an internal FG poll has the yes vote at over 60% and a very comfortable victory for them.
Trying to hang on to their last day of the honeymoon?Tomorrow will tell.
Blanco
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Originally posted by let it long:
Trying to hang on to their last day of the honeymoon?Tomorrow will tell.
Tomorrow will tell, but I have a feeling it will be a good day for the Government, as they said themselves we are the only people in Europe who would pass this and give a big thumbs up to Austerity.
Just like we are probably the only people in the world who would have voted to protect the bankers , Government officials and politicians over the financial crisis the way we did when voted to block off any avenue to even question the above on the issue in the last referendum.
Rebel CNC
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01-Jun-2012 09:42
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Shinners stunt with the courts (and big legal bill for taxpayer) did the NO campaign no good at all. Met a couple last pm who were going to vote no but decided not to after that scam.
inbetweeners
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01-Jun-2012 09:46
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Yes side looking very good this morning.It should be passed
Blanco
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01-Jun-2012 09:49
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Originally posted by inbetweeners:
Yes side looking very good this morning.It should be passed
It was never really in doubt , once Noonan starting going on about an easier budget if we vote yes, then it was more or less a done deal.
inbetweeners
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01-Jun-2012 09:52
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Originally posted by Blanco:
It was never really in doubt , once Noonan starting going on about an easier budget if we vote yes, then it was more or less a done deal.
I had my doubts. Think it will be close enough. Mosts Yes votes are very reluctant certainly an element of fear attached.
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