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Topic: Pat Spillane:Go Back to 1976
frasiercrane (1,843 Posts)	Posted: 05-Jun-2012 20:03	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
frasiercrane (1,843 Posts)	GAA guff • I attended Sunday's game in Croke Park. On returning home, I sat down to watch the recording of Pat Spillane and Joe Brolly. While I accept the game between Longford and Wexford was no classic, it was nonetheless a well contested game between two good sides. To hear Mr Spillane rubbish the encounter and the approach of both sides was predictable and boring. To hear him drone on about 1976 and his own great achievements was pathetic. How any man who has eight All-Ireland medals and a wealth of football knowledge could bemoan the state of football after one of the great All-Ireland finals last year is beyond me. In this time of recession and general bad news, could Pat please lighten up and realise Gaelic football is in excellent shape -- or, failing that, return to 1976. Ronan Farrell Longford Irish Independent
Fintan Franks (266 Posts)	Posted: 05-Jun-2012 20:38	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Fintan Franks (266 Posts)	Lads, does anyone know Ronan Farrell? I don't know the man myself although IV met many many staunch GAA men down the years. Ronan has all the signs of being a top top bloke. Does anyone have any good stories about Ronan?
The Jedi (214 Posts)	Posted: 05-Jun-2012 20:39	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
The Jedi (214 Posts)	He will need a DeLorean and a Flux Capacitor. He has neither.
yankeelad (5,535 Posts)	Posted: 05-Jun-2012 21:36	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
yankeelad (5,535 Posts)	I saw the exact same thing that this tool saw.They did not rubbish the game but called it as they saw it and being as I saw the same game neither one of them was out of line in their comments.The football was poor enough but always interesting due to the fact that it went down to the wire with both teams having chances to win it
seanie (1,079 Posts)	Posted: 05-Jun-2012 21:46	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
seanie (1,079 Posts)	Originally posted by yankeelad: I saw the exact same thing that this tool saw.They did not rubbish the game but called it as they saw it and being as I saw the same game neither one of them was out of line in their comments.The football was poor enough but always interesting due to the fact that it went down to the wire with both teams having chances to win it Read Mr Farrells letter and review the 'analysis' particularly by spillane AFTER the game - it is patronising, inaccurate and ignorant of modern football. There were brilliant displays from some players, a great finish and 5 outstanding points from a wing back, yet mr spillane focused exclusively on the negatives. Also while understanding that your somewhere else in the world, the weather was atrocious on sunday, all in all a fine game with many faults and all we get YET AGAIN from rte's gaa 'analysts' is total negativity. Some on this site (not me I add) feel that RTE is going thru the motions at best or actually anti gaa at worst, looking at the recent 'analysis' of football games (the most popular sport in Ireland btw) they would nearly be right
Hurling Expert (113 Posts)	Posted: 05-Jun-2012 21:47	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Hurling Expert (113 Posts)	Why should Pat Spillane be expected to mislead the public? Gaelic football is an abomination of a sport and the public should not be patronised with soft soap treatment of woeful matches.
ollscoil (2,616 Posts)	Posted: 05-Jun-2012 21:52	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
ollscoil (2,616 Posts)	Called it as they saw it, are you having a laugh???? Spillane is a caricature of himself at this stage and provides no analysis only the same old tired guff. This was 2 division 3 sides, playing in poor conditions, trying to win an important game so it was no surprise it wasn't a classic. Why not acknowledge it wasn't the best game we'll see this summer but both teams have made great strides and then go on to analyse the match? Instead we get the same ranting and raving about defensive football and handpassing WTF?? We get it Pat you want to see more 'kick foot passing' as he says himself but that doesn't pass for analysis and I couldn't care less what he wants.
ollscoil (2,616 Posts)	Posted: 05-Jun-2012 21:55	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
ollscoil (2,616 Posts)	Originally posted by Hurling Expert: Why should Pat Spillane be expected to mislead the public? Gaelic football is an abomination of a sport and the public should not be patronised with soft soap treatment of woeful matches. I don't know if you are a hurling expert but you clearly know nothing about football.
ollscoil (2,616 Posts)	Posted: 05-Jun-2012 21:56	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
ollscoil (2,616 Posts)	Oh and well said Seanie, spot on.
glasandbán (2,046 Posts)	Posted: 05-Jun-2012 22:05	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
glasandbán (2,046 Posts)	Spillane is in direct contrast to Loughnane in the hurling. For Spillane everything is dire. For Loughnane, he won't blow smoke up your ass but he at least puts focuses on the positives about the game while giving a good analysis. Completely agree that Spillane has become a caricature of himself.
ollscoil (2,616 Posts)	Posted: 05-Jun-2012 22:14	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
ollscoil (2,616 Posts)	Exactly, nobody wants 'skyesque' over hyping or saying a poor game was brilliant but we want analysis of the game. Explain why the game panned out the way it did, what worked and didn't work, what could have been done to counteract tactics employed etc. Spillane could be replaced with a cardboard cutout and a recording of his rantings played from any of the last few years at this stage.
Blanco (7,909 Posts)	Posted: 05-Jun-2012 22:16	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Blanco (7,909 Posts)	Originally posted by glasandbán: Spillane is in direct contrast to Loughnane in the hurling. For Spillane everything is dire. For Loughnane, he won't blow smoke up your ass but he at least puts focuses on the positives about the game while giving a good analysis.Completely agree that Spillane has become a caricature of himself. It not just Spillane and Loughnane that are in contrast , the contrast seems to be between the Football panel and Hurling panel , remember Brolly and O'Rourke are just as critical of the Football on most Sundays as Spillane is. From watching both panels you get the impression that the Football panel take it as a chore to have to watch Football where as the Hurling panel take great joy in it and are nearly always positive about the game, although I think at times they gloss over lack of competitiveness problem that Hurling def has and is holding it back at the moment, they know it's there but they don't mention it much.
cerebus (3,258 Posts)	Posted: 05-Jun-2012 22:21	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
cerebus (3,258 Posts)	Best summer weather that year in 76 but losing the Classico (tis always a classico when the Kingdom don't win) set football back a few golden years, in fairness.
irishmagic (1,945 Posts)	Posted: 06-Jun-2012 11:02	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
irishmagic (1,945 Posts)	I didnt see spillane but if he is refering to 76 and that era as a time of kick passing, he is having a laugh. The general view at the time was that Gaelic was getting like basketball. That was why they handpassed goal was outlawed. Dublin and kerry handpassed all day ( and it was not like the current pass more like a throw). In short spillane is talking rubbish.
irishmagic (1,945 Posts)	Posted: 06-Jun-2012 11:02	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
irishmagic (1,945 Posts)	I didnt see spillane but if he is refering to 76 and that era as a time of kick passing, he is having a laugh. The general view at the time was that Gaelic was getting like basketball. That was why they handpassed goal was outlawed. Dublin and kerry handpassed all day ( and it was not like the current pass more like a throw). In short spillane is talking rubbish.
Fintan Franks (266 Posts)	Posted: 06-Jun-2012 11:05	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Fintan Franks (266 Posts)	Lads, would ye prefer hurling or football? Id be a hurling man myself as i only played football for a few years when i was a buck. Did Spillane ever play hurling i wonder?
KeepOnHurling (3,223 Posts)	Posted: 06-Jun-2012 15:47	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
KeepOnHurling (3,223 Posts)	Originally posted by Blanco: It not just Spillane and Loughnane that are in contrast , the contrast seems to be between the Football panel and Hurling panel , remember Brolly and O'Rourke are just as critical of the Football on most Sundays as Spillane is. From watching both panels you get the impression that the Football panel take it as a chore to have to watch Football where as the Hurling panel take great joy in it and are nearly always positive about the game, although I think at times they gloss over lack of competitiveness problem that Hurling def has and is holding it back at the moment, they know it's there but they don't mention it much. It's not just hurling coverage that the football lads are in contrast to, you could add in rugby, soccer and basically any sport that RTE covers. In fact most sports coverage by most channels has at least a degree of enthusiasm from the presenters. In fact most TV programmes by most channels have at least a degree of enthusiasm from the presenters.
Boston Bruin (131 Posts)	Posted: 06-Jun-2012 16:22	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Boston Bruin (131 Posts)	Spillane has actually now become an obstacle to the progression of football as his pessimistic, misguided and ill informed ramblings are potentially a huge PR risk for the game. Croke Park could do worse than pick up the phone to RTE and demand his removal as an anchor on their “analysis” team. As another poster on this thread has pointed out, Spillane is a mirror opposite to Loughnane, who is an absolute gem and a credit to the Hurling community. Loughnane has this ability to pick out a very subtle feature of a hurling match that demonstrates how beautiful and great our game is. This could be something very obscure/specific like a great catch under pressure, a moment of sublime skill or courage, a masterminded substitution or switch that changed the game. To the casual observer these things may not be obvious but Loughnane can articulate these clearly to the viewer to emphasise how and why they were important. However, Loughnane does not hype a game up for the sake of hype either, if a game is bad he’ll call it as it is, but at the same time tries to explain to the viewer why this may be i.e. Pressure of the game, poor playing conditions, High profile player not on form/kept quiet by his marker. This is proper match analysis and something which Spillane is incapable of. At a time when the GAA more than ever needs some positive PR amid competition from other sports, emigration and people with less money and being more selective on which matches they attend, having Spillane on the TV , completely disrespecting two amateur teams that have put in 8 months hard work (and in the case of Wexford & Longford on the wettest day of the year and V Poor playing conditions) on the basis that the game is not stimulating enough for him is nothing short of scandalous.
Clon Boyo (22 Posts)	Posted: 06-Jun-2012 16:22	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Clon Boyo (22 Posts)	Spillane ran out the gate plenty of times against Cork
ollscoil (2,616 Posts)	Posted: 06-Jun-2012 16:44	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
ollscoil (2,616 Posts)	It's funny how many people disagree with what Pat and his ilk are saying yet these guys are all over the place reviewing football. If there is one sport in Ireland with an abundance of potential analysts then it is football, yet RTE turn to the same half dozen fellas, most of them doing a very poor job, all the time. Do RTE do any research on what people think of their analysts, indeed their whole GAA output? I know these forums can be dismissed as places full of cranks that will never be happy but I know of very few people happy with the Sunday Game and the football analysis in particular. Are they going out of their way to under sell the GAA and why are the GAA not asking some questions? If RTE don't step it up a bit why not give TV3 more of the real crowd pulling games?
About a Bicycle (1,741 Posts)	Posted: 06-Jun-2012 16:54	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
About a Bicycle (1,741 Posts)	I only saw him at half time in the Wexford Longford game and he was giving out how terrible it was because of all the loose marking. This is the man who was complaining about tight marking as puke football. Does he ever stop moaning?
KeepOnHurling (3,223 Posts)	Posted: 06-Jun-2012 17:07	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
KeepOnHurling (3,223 Posts)	Originally posted by About a Bicycle: I only saw him at half time in the Wexford Longford game and he was giving out how terrible it was because of all the loose marking. This is the man who was complaining about tight marking as puke football. Does he ever stop moaning? Well said. Hopefully somebody at RTE will take some notice of the letter in the Indo. Though RTE seems to be very much of the "job-for-life" variety. Who would have predicted during 1988 that RTE would have the same analysis team plus commentator 24 years later?! Bill, Eamon, Johnny, and George. :)
The Badger (862 Posts)	Posted: 06-Jun-2012 17:07	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
The Badger (862 Posts)	I don’t know any sport in the world where the president of the governing body and most of the pundits actually encourage people not to watch it, madness. Like can you imagine Richard Scudamore of the Premier League call it boring a la Liam O’Neil, or the primary broadcaster allow its pundits to hammer it at every opportunity. The GAA really needs a serious crash course in how it promotes itself. Even if the games are as dire as they’re made out (which they’re not) don’t go out and remind everyone. This is basic stuff, you don’t need a marketing degree to figure it out.
rebelrebel30 (8,531 Posts)	Posted: 06-Jun-2012 17:40	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
rebelrebel30 (8,531 Posts)	Originally posted by cerebus: Best summer weather that year in 76 but losing the Classico (tis always a classico when the Kingdom don't win) set football back a few golden years, in fairness. Yerra that Umbrella came in handy all the same.........
Fintan Franks (266 Posts)	Posted: 06-Jun-2012 17:58	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Fintan Franks (266 Posts)	I was talking to a lad a few weeks back who goes to kerry on holidays a lot. He told me Pat Spillane used be a great man to go into for a pint if you were ever down in Templenoe. He would chat away to you as if he knew you all his life. Sound man he said he was. Did anyone hear this before is it true at all? He also said that Paudi OSe was the complete opposite. He siad Paudi could be a bit of a pig around the place. Dont know if there's any truth in it as i usually go abroad myself. Any good stories about Paudi or Spillane lads? Any posters have a pint in both pubs at all?

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