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Topic: Dowling left 'disappointed' by fans
Fintan Franks
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Posted: 06-Jun-2012 15:22
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Lads, has anyone the definitive list of songs the Limerick lads sing from the terraces at all?

Stand up and fight.
Sean South
Limerick your a lady

Any others lads?

Arte there any posters from Limerick here at all?
lopper
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Posted: 06-Jun-2012 16:03
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Fair play to Dowling. A serious debut, a serious warrior. Good days, hell, great days, lie ahead if the patience and stability he asks for is given, I feel.

However as regards the general negativity from Limerick fans ahead of the Tipp match, I suppose you'd have to remember where we're coming from. I was one of those who was looking forward to the 2009 semi-final with actual expectations. I thought we could pull it off, even despite how poor we were that year, and I'm sure if you were to go back over posts here, that belief was evident. Instead we were hammered out the gate; it was humiliating as a supporter and I'm sure it was miles more humiliating if you were a player and to make things worse, from that apparent nadir things were about to get even uglier.

After that destruction, and a similar performance from Tipp in last year's Munster Final, there was always going to be caution this year. There were no jibes at Tipp folk ahead of the game, certainly not from me anyways, out of pure wariness. In fairness, Munster Championship generally sees us throw the kitchen sink at whoever we're playing, but I've been there for enough Clare 2006s, Offaly 2008s and Tipp 2009s to have jitters regardless.

I'm not on about slating the players, I would never support that. Constructive criticism and airing of worries is acceptable in my view, its part and parcel of championship. There have been a few players in recent years who have turned around and thrown some of the slating they get on here and elsewhere right back in supporters faces, and that is always a great thing to see.

It was a serious performance by Limerick against Tipp, but it is yet to be seen where Tipp actually are this year. Personally I like the style that Allen is developing and given time, stability and patience this team could develop into serious contenders. There is the possibility of two home games coming up against Laois and Antrim and hopefully these will see good crowds come out and support the team, regardless of the opposition (Laois are hardly a good news story in hurling these days, but Antrim will be aiming to have a right cut off of Limerick no matter what).
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Snoop99
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Posted: 06-Jun-2012 16:06
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Originally posted by Fintan Franks:
Lads, has anyone the definitive list of songs the Limerick lads sing from the terraces at all?Stand up and fight.
Sean South
Limerick your a ladyAny others lads?Arte there any posters from Limerick here at all?

Horse Outside, Fields of Athenry, anything by Shakira really, Tupac and EMIN?M!!

Clon Boyo
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Posted: 06-Jun-2012 16:15
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Surprised at this and couldnt see JBM sanctioning these comments if it was Lehane or Sweetnam. We have critical supporters in Cork too but I dont think any player would criticise the rebel army.

I knew some of Dave Keanes players from my time in Limerick and they drank but they were sound and you never heard them in the papers. There is a fine line between confidence and arrogance and there is a bit of arrogance creeping into the young Limerick players. The Declan Hannon comments about Tipperary came back to haunt him and the centre back roasted him.

There will not be a peep from Lehane and Sweetnam unless fully authorised by JBM.
KeepOnHurling
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Posted: 06-Jun-2012 16:37
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GAA players in general seem to love this "everybody has written us off" thing, I'm not sure do GAA managers emphasise it as a motivation technique.

You'd often see GAA players after winning a game that they were heavy favourites to win and coming out with something like "we silenced our doubters, we were written off" etc.

Or do people they meet in public really give them abuse and tell them they've no chance?
notrealdan
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Posted: 06-Jun-2012 16:52
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I can see John Allen putting a lid on this young lad, 1 championship game played for Limerick and already he's having a go at supporters who are following Limerick since before he was born.
Ivor Doherty
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Posted: 06-Jun-2012 17:00
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Originally posted by notrealdan:
I can see John Allen putting a lid on this young lad, 1 championship game played for Limerick and already he's having a go at supporters who are following Limerick since before he was born.

its laughable really! Each and every year, long suffering Limerick supporters are fed the same spiel/ guff from either the co board / manager / prominent player pleading for 'patience'!! This from a team that hasnt won the wretched title since 1973, and they ask for more time??? Sweet Jesus....
Armin Tamzarian*
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Posted: 06-Jun-2012 17:26
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Originally posted by Clon Boyo:
Surprised at this and couldnt see JBM sanctioning these comments if it was Lehane or Sweetnam. We have critical supporters in Cork too but I dont think any player would criticise the rebel army. I knew some of Dave Keanes players from my time in Limerick and they drank but they were sound and you never heard them in the papers. There is a fine line between confidence and arrogance and there is a bit of arrogance creeping into the young Limerick players. The Declan Hannon comments about Tipperary came back to haunt him and the centre back roasted him. There will not be a peep from Lehane and Sweetnam unless fully authorised by JBM.

Go way you clown. Dave Keanes players were good to drink and were sound!most stupid statement I've ever seen on this forum. At 19 Dowling has done more in the Munster championship than 90% of them sound drinkers you refer to. As for Sweetnam and Lehane neither would lace Dowling or Hannons bootlaces for godsake.
South Limerick Referee
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Posted: 06-Jun-2012 17:43
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"Maybe it’s just my inexperience coming in the first year but even these online forums, thank God I don’t go near them but some of the stuff that I do hear is ridiculous. People behind keyboards writing stuff about you, it’s ridiculous."

On the comment above, there has been no criticism of Dowling on any forum or social networking page that I have come across prior to the comments appearing on the papers. There are a few miffed at the interview allright in fairness. He is highly highly regarded because he is a Limerick hurler in the traditional sense, a grafter, an excellent hurler, not a fancy dan who turns up when it suits him and hangs the head and refuses to put in the workrate. You get 100% out of Dowling every day he goes onto the field and he has carried every team he played on, on his back for the last few years.
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glasandbán
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Posted: 06-Jun-2012 17:52
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SLR I think he was giving out about the phenomenon rather than any personal criticism, and of course he's dead right.
South Limerick Referee
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Posted: 06-Jun-2012 18:03
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I said he was more suited to wing or corner and I retain that belief. In fact outside of Dowling who will be needed on the half forward line, of the present lot of Limerick players, I believe that Nicky Quaid is the one player who can be the Number 14 in the traditional sense that Limerick crave.

I make no apologies for any comment I made on the non appropriate comments made by Declan Hannon. My views on the matter are well known. The comments should not have been made. End of story.

Originally posted by jaykeane:
Who was the self deluded moron last year pontificating that Kevin Downes was wasting his time playing in the full forward position? I’m sure if he was reading some of the stuff last year it would have done wonders for his confidence. I think he was the same fella castigating Declan Hannon over speaking his mind in the build up to the Tipp match?

South Limerick Referee
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Posted: 06-Jun-2012 18:11
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John Allen has been critical of sites for a number of years now. But the sites will always be there from now on. If as these people say, they don't read them, then it wont bother them. I don't think any other individual on this site has been consistently and more heavily criticised by anonymous people on this site than me. People say I am critical in my posts, but I am not hiding behind a username, and to be honest, I always try to justify everything.

Twitter is different in that you know who the individual is.

Originally posted by glasandbán:
SLR I think he was giving out about the phenomenon rather than any personal criticism, and of course he's dead right.

Armin Tamzarian*
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Posted: 06-Jun-2012 18:22
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Originally posted by South Limerick Referee:
I said he was more suited to wing or corner and I retain that belief. In fact outside of Dowling who will be needed on the half forward line, of the present lot of Limerick players, I believe that Nicky Quaid is the one player who can be the Number 14 in the traditional sense that Limerick crave. I make no apologies for any comment I made on the non appropriate comments made by Declan Hannon. My views on the matter are well known. The comments should not have been made. End of story.

Nicky Quaid now for full forward. Will u get real SLR and cut out the nonsense. No wonder Dowling is giving out about you. We have the full forward we always craved and if they may have left him on against tipp he'd have smashed the goal to win it for us.
South Limerick Referee
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Posted: 06-Jun-2012 18:36
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Nicky Quaid is a player I have often mentioned for the position in the past.

He could make an excellent provider, Downes could be the finisher.

Originally posted by Armin Tamzarian*:
Nicky Quaid now for full forward. Will u get real SLR and cut out the nonsense. No wonder Dowling is giving out about you. We have the full forward we always craved and if they may have left him on against tipp he'd have smashed the goal to win it for us.

staycalm
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Posted: 06-Jun-2012 18:53
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Originally posted by South Limerick Referee:
Nicky Quaid is a player I have often mentioned for the position in the past. He could make an excellent provider, Downes could be the finisher.

You really do show yourself up at times with your junior b mentality. Taking one of the most solid keepers Limerick have had in years and putting him up full forward as a provider. That sort of lob a ball in top of the big man mentality went out years ago
The Serb
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Posted: 06-Jun-2012 19:09
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SLR, From Downes first game in the league versus Clare in 2011 when he showed what a class full forward he was going to be you started questioning him and started calling for this great mythical mucksavage full forward from a rural background. Downes in my opinion is a game turning type player and is the best full forward in Limerick by a country mile. Why do you keep underming him and talk about moving him to other positions? You seem to have a problem with city hurlers in general.

Originally posted by South Limerick Referee:
Nicky Quaid is a player I have often mentioned for the position in the past. He could make an excellent provider, Downes could be the finisher.

ian o b
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Posted: 06-Jun-2012 19:10
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Originally posted by staycalm:
You really do show yourself up at times with your junior b mentality. Taking one of the most solid keepers Limerick have had in years and putting him up full forward as a provider. That sort of lob a ball in top of the big man mentality went out years ago

Goalies can make great forwards. If memory serves correctly the following all had stints in goal early in their playing careers: Christy Ring, Eoin Kelly(Tipp), Paul Flynn and DJ Carey.
South Limerick Referee
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Posted: 06-Jun-2012 19:37
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This is a forum for discussing options for positions.
glasandbán
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Posted: 06-Jun-2012 19:41
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Originally posted by South Limerick Referee:
John Allen has been critical of sites for a number of years now. But the sites will always be there from now on. If as these people say, they don't read them, then it wont bother them.

I meant the phenomenon of keyboard warriors anonymously posting criticism of players on these sites, clearly not the sites themselves SLR.

On full forward, you have a conception of what you think a full forward should be. This is not the full forward Limerick has been craving, just what you have been craving.
Fintan Franks
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Posted: 06-Jun-2012 19:42
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Originally posted by ian o b:
Goalies can make great forwards. If memory serves correctly the following all had stints in goal early in their playing careers: Christy Ring, Eoin Kelly(Tipp), Paul Flynn and DJ Carey.

John Troy had a head on him like a goat but played mostly in goal underage before becoming a top top player out the field.

John Troy, one of the great forwards of the 90s and a gentleman to boot im told.
glasandbán
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Posted: 06-Jun-2012 19:44
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Originally posted by Fintan Franks:
John Troy had a head on him like a goat but played mostly in goal underage before becoming a top top player out the field.John Troy, one of the great forwards of the 90s and a gentleman to boot im told.

Who was your source on this?
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ProjX
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Posted: 06-Jun-2012 19:47
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Originally posted by laochra gael:

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The Irish Times - Wednesday, June 6, 2012
Dowling left 'disappointed' by fansTEENAGE SENSATION Shane Dowling has expressed disappointment with Limerick supporters for their lack of faith in the county hurlers.It was one of those rare moments when a burgeoning sportsman ignores the option to provide clichéd responses, instead calling it as he sees it.“Personally, this is my first year in the senior panel and I was very disappointed with the Limerick public,” said Dowling yesterday at the launch of the Bord Gáis Energy under-21 hurling championship.“Some of the stuff that you’re being told or hearing or seeing, it didn’t make any difference to us as everyone could see from the performance , but it was just disappointing to see and to hear.”Dowling is one of hurling’s brightest young talents. Despite only being 19 years old, he’s already an irreplaceable member of John Allen’s team, having also guided Na Piarsaigh to county and provincial club championship titles in 2011.Remarkably mature for his age, Dowling interestingly touched upon the wide-ranging reach of multimedia in the modern era and the pressure the likes of Twitter and online forums can heap upon sports people in Ireland.“It doesn’t mean anything to the players. Because if it did we’d have been beaten by 30 points in Thurles. It would have been a waste of time turning up.“As someone said to me, it must have been an awful feeling going up knowing you were going to get a trimming. Why do you have to listen to this? We knew we weren’t going to get a trimming.“I’d just ask the Limerick public to leave us do what we can because at the end of the day, some of us are full-time workers, some of us have families with kids and don’t get paid anything for it. We try our best and I hope that they realise that.“We were eight points up against Clare and regardless of whatever happened it shows that we’re there or thereabouts.“It showed against Tipperary, we’re there or thereabouts. Now, there or thereabouts isn’t good enough. We have to get over that.“It’s nice to hear positivity coming from your own people. Maybe it’s just my inexperience coming in the first year but even these online forums, thank God I don’t go near them but some of the stuff that I do hear is ridiculous. People behind keyboards writing stuff about you, it’s ridiculous.“You just ask for patience. It’s a learning curve and maybe in another two or three years if nothing happens then maybe it’s time to start talking.”Dowling landed 0-8, four from play, in his Munster championship debut at Semple Stadium a fortnight ago and despite many onlookers concluding Limerick’s fitness down the straight proved their undoing – they led the game by seven points with 20 minutes left on the clock – he saw it differently.“Absolutely not. It’s just all rumours. It’s just people looking for excuses. You look at Séamus Callanan, the Bonnar Maher, Shane McGrath, these are All Star guys coming on, All-Ireland winners, with 10 minutes to go.“Any team might get a small bit lethargic in the last 10 minutes and then when you have these guys running at you it’s just a bit hard. Maybe if we were in Division 1A the experience would tell a bit.“If we got a goal during our spell , regardless who came on, I think we’d have got there. But that’s the way it was and that’s the way it ended.”Dowling is adamant Limerick hurling is making progress and feels this has been evident since they won the Division Two title last year.“In 2011 Donal O’Grady came down and did a great job, John Allen is doing a great job; we’re slowly getting there. Just hopefully people will buy into that. I think people have now realised that we aren’t at it – but we’re not too far off it. Hopefully we’ll get there but we need every bit of support that we can get.“Maybe, I’ve been lucky in the fact that I won the Harty Cup with the school and then last year with the under-21s , this year we’ve been having a good run with the club.“I’ve lost a lot of things as well, two All-Ireland finals with the school and many other things. It’s something that, I suppose, there’s a few of us going into the senior set-up and unless we win, unless we win a Munster or an All-Ireland the year’s going to be a failure.“We haven’t reached a Munster final but the All-Ireland is still there and we’ll make a go at it and see where it takes us.”

Tipp scored 1-10 in the last 10 minutes and it had nothing to do with lack of fitness on the Limerick side? Shur we are just happy to get the day out and be on the same pitch as real hurlers from Tipp!!

Donal O Grady requested Limerick to be re-relegated to division 1b and this means he did a great job?

John Allen is currently doing a great job by blowing an 8 point lead in the last 10 mins of the div1b final and consigning the team to another year in the second division of hurling?

Go on the 'Happy Losers'!

Shane is a talented hurler, let's hope he doesn't get the moral victory complex.

This message has been edited - 06-jun-2012 @ 20:04
Fintan Franks
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Posted: 06-Jun-2012 19:48
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Originally posted by glasandbán:
Who was your source on this?

A lad in work from offaly who knows these things...
South Limerick Referee
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Posted: 06-Jun-2012 20:05
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Troy is the Offaly camogie manager now

Originally posted by Fintan Franks:
John Troy had a head on him like a goat but played mostly in goal underage before becoming a top top player out the field.John Troy, one of the great forwards of the 90s and a gentleman to boot im told.


jaykeane
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Posted: 06-Jun-2012 21:20
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Originally posted by ProjX:

Tipp scored 1-10 in the last 10 minutes and it had nothing to do with lack of fitness on the Limerick side? Shur we are just happy to get the day out and be on the same pitch as real hurlers from Tipp!!Donal O Grady requested Limerick to be re-relegated to division 1b and this means he did a great job?John Allen is currently doing a great job by blowing an 8 point lead in the last 10 mins of the div1b final and consigning the team to another year in the second division of hurling?Go on the 'Happy Losers'!Shane is a talented hurler, let's hope he doesn't get the moral victory complex.

If there was two boll¡xs in a room , you would be both of them. Id put my house on the fact that you never played a game of hurling in your life.

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