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trouble in adare hurling
No. 22
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16-Jun-2012 23:40
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things are very bad there at the moment. mark foley is back to try and save things. we have a bad habit in limerick of pressing the self destruct button.
Limerick Rake
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16-Jun-2012 23:53
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Things are fine in Adare the main thing is we allow none of our offspring play Junior A hurling and god forbid Junior B hurling...when we had 3 teams 8 or 9 years ago it dragged the club down no end...lets look after the elite 6 or 7 players forget about anyone else that wants to hurl!!!
Larkin
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17-Jun-2012 00:18
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I have it on good authority that Adare is in a bit of bother alright. Not too sure that Foley is the answer either, he has enough to keep him occupied at the moment.
South Limerick Referee
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17-Jun-2012 15:40
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Mark Foley is the sort of player who can play on his wits and read the game well so he still has a good bit to contribute.
granagh
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17-Jun-2012 18:55
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Adare had plenty of trouble when they were winning
Effin eddie
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17-Jun-2012 19:22
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Originally posted by South Limerick Referee:
Mark Foley is the sort of player who can play on his wits and read the game well so he still has a good bit to contribute.
When did Ger loughlin leave, is foley taking the team or is he going to play. Surely he is wasting his time as it is unlikely adare can qualify.
ballboy
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17-Jun-2012 20:20
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i believe ye are not the only club with that particular problem....apparently your near neighbours have that problem also...
wolfe_tone
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17-Jun-2012 20:42
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has the sparrow left adare? or is this just a rumour?
Larkin
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17-Jun-2012 20:51
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Originally posted by ballboy:
i believe ye are not the only club with that particular problem....apparently your near neighbours have that problem also...
Which one, pray tell?
Has Sparrow gone?
dongles
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17-Jun-2012 21:30
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Originally posted by wolfe_tone:
has the sparrow left adare? or is this just a rumour?
I was baffled as to why the sparrow came back to adare club after leaving a county set up. I presumed mark foley have quit hurling never to return. He was asked to get involved with the Limerick u21 last year and refused.
clock
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18-Jun-2012 01:38
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Originally posted by dongles:
I was baffled as to why the sparrow came back to adare club after leaving a county set up. I presumed mark foley have quit hurling never to return. He was asked to get involved with the Limerick u21 last year and refused.
Who cares they won't qualify
Hurling Veteran
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18-Jun-2012 17:18
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Mark is the cause of almost every Adare problem.
The issue with a small number IC players in clubs is that they think everything revolves around themselves and they surround themselves with followers to the detriment of the team ethos. Other teams in a club slowly die.
robswindles
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18-Jun-2012 21:27
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Originally posted by Hurling Veteran:
Mark is the cause of almost every Adare problem.The issue with a small number IC players in clubs is that they think everything revolves around themselves and they surround themselves with followers to the detriment of the team ethos. Other teams in a club slowly die.
I hear he is bringing a former adare senior hurler with him to look after the physical side while his job will be to coach the young players how to play the game. Has he the backing of the club thou?
Limerick Rake
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19-Jun-2012 00:19
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Adares problems stem beyond the senior team...Adare at its peak had 60 adult hurlers the first year the county was won but since then various managers have prevented players from playing initially novice hurling and then junior hurling ...this was fine for the very good minor and under 21 player but many others had no team to play for and they were lost...when injuries and some emmigration crept in this year ..most clubs would look to get a few players off their second team ie Junior A ..but a number of people had ensured no one only the Elite hurled in adare..very short sighted....ten years ago Adare fielded 3 Hurling teams and these were the best days ever in Adare hurling when senior, junior & novice hurlers chatted about Hurling in Collins's or Chawkes but now in adare No one is wanted only the senior hurler!!!
Young Hopper
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19-Jun-2012 00:44
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Do Adare really only have 1 team?
Limerick Rake
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19-Jun-2012 00:52
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Yes that is correct..we have been Premier or "A" for past 15 years in minors and 21's but a number of Minor and 21 managers in our club in the past 5/6 years would not allow players to wear the Adare Junior hurling jersey...It did no harm to Club stalwarts Like Mike Alfred or Joey O Brien but Now in adare you play senior hurling or get lost!!
Young Hopper
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19-Jun-2012 00:54
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Like are you saying good young lads are not allowed play on the junior team OR there is no junior team?
gorgeous gus
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19-Jun-2012 07:24
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Saw their u21s play Kilmallock this year in Mick Neville and they were absolutely shocking only Willie Griffen and Jody Hannon showed something.
Zirndorf
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19-Jun-2012 07:30
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And Willie was poached from Kildimo
lantern lodger
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19-Jun-2012 09:37
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Originally posted by Zirndorf:
And Willie was poached from Kildimo
That was handled all wrong ike Noonan should still be hurling with adare. God knows we need hurlers like him.
Taebags
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19-Jun-2012 10:50
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There have been a few reasons for Adares recent decline.
The first reason is that there have been a number of players emigrating over the past few years so that affects numbers for all hurling teams.
Another reason is that four(that i know of) players wouldnt play under the sparrow this year. These players would all have been experienced and decent players.
But in my opinion the main reason for the decline is that apart from Declan Hannon and John Fitzgibon, there has been very little effort to graduate younger players through from this age group to senior hurling in Adare in recent years. The main routes to aid in graduation to senior are u21 and junior hurling, but little or no effort has been put into these grades in the last few years.
Meanwhile Patrickswell, Kilmallock and Na Piarsaigh have been using these grades to keep everyone involved after minor level and are reaping the rewards for this as they now have lots of young fellas coming through, the key here is that their young fellas will be streetwise to adult hurling having played against the older players.
Its very hard for the majority of players to make the step straight from minor to senior and this is where Adare will suffer most in the next few years imo.
I recall 3\4 years ago that the minor management advised the minor players not to play junior hurling. I'm not quiet sure if this was to ensure they were not injured.
Incidently one or two of the minors ignored them and played anyway.
When i looked at the the other west teams they would all have their young players togged out, and many of them are currently on Limerick u21\Intermediate panels and a few on the fringes of the senior panel.
Ive also seen Limerick footballers like Pa Ranahan and Johny Mcarthy and others playing junior hurling for their clubs a couple of weeks before Munster semi finals and finals.
The year after against Knockainey in the first round Adare were well ahead in the final minutes and the senior management brought on 3\4 of the 18\19 year olds just to ensure they would be ineligible to play junior hurling.
One of the senior management was also a member of the minor management.
In the u21 grade no effort was made to try and get competitive with some of the best players not bothering to make a decent effort.
What Adare are now facing in the next few years is a vacum where lots of players between 18-21 will have lost interest in hurling, despite being decent hurlers at u16 and minor level.
And the other side of the coin is that there are lots of players getting towards the end of their careers all at around the same time.
The bottom line is that the management of the various teams have their own agendas and goals and don't care about other club teams, and most importantly dont care about development of fringe players, which contributes to the overall detriment of the club.
Adare will still compete well but may struggle to win counties for years to come which is where the bar has been raised to in the past decade.
Good luck to Rashers managing Adare. He is a born winner and has a good brain about him and will do well with whats at his disposal imo.
Paddy
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19-Jun-2012 11:08
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There's a lot of work to be done & the structures have to be put in place for this. Top table in the club have to been to be taking the bull by the horns.
A lot of it too is down to the attitude of younger guys playing these days as well & not just in Adare. There seems to be a lot more laid back (lazy even) attitude about whether they will even bother playing, not to mind training.
Adare like any other club need to have a Junior A team that is competitive so that guys can push for Senior & for guys that are finishing Senior but what to hurl on & would go down A to let the other guys up.
I'd say it could be 20 years before we see 3 Adult Hurling teams in Adare again.
weirside jack
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19-Jun-2012 17:11
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Originally posted by Paddy:
There's a lot of work to be done & the structures have to be put in place for this. Top table in the club have to been to be taking the bull by the horns.A lot of it too is down to the attitude of younger guys playing these days as well & not just in Adare. There seems to be a lot more laid back (lazy even) attitude about whether they will even bother playing, not to mind training.Adare like any other club need to have a Junior A team that is competitive so that guys can push for Senior & for guys that are finishing Senior but what to hurl on & would go down A to let the other guys up.I'd say it could be 20 years before we see 3 Adult Hurling teams in Adare again.
Its a big change for adare from the great days a few years back. I remember playing underage years ago against brendan flynn and eugene mackesssy, they were two outstanding hurlers out there.
robswindles
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20-Jun-2012 17:13
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Originally posted by No. 22:
things are very bad there at the moment. mark foley is back to try and save things. we have a bad habit in limerick of pressing the self destruct button.
Was there a standoff at training in adare this week between the new guard and the old guard. Can anyone from adare tell us?
Taebags
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20-Jun-2012 22:02
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Originally posted by robswindles:
Was there a standoff at training in adare this week between the new guard and the old guard. Can anyone from adare tell us?
If you want to find out info on things like that then maybe you should go into the local pub instead of looking for gossip on here.
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