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next limerick pro
No. 22
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16-Jun-2012 23:42
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i think we have to call a spade a spade and put in the best man henry martin. i dont like him much sometimes but he always writes good stuff and he would keep the county board from messing around with themselves.
Larkin
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16-Jun-2012 23:47
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Originally posted by No. 22:
i think we have to call a spade a spade and put in the best man henry martin. i dont like him much sometimes but he always writes good stuff and he would keep the county board from messing around with themselves.
I predict this thread to last until about the morning. The next PRO, whoever it is should be there only as part of a rejuvenated CB. Something the clubs of the county are very slow to change.
South Limerick Referee
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17-Jun-2012 08:33
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People have been asking me to do this since the book came out. As a high ranked GAA official said to me 12 months ago, he doesnt doubt my ability to do the job but he rightfully reckons that I would not fit in well with the system. Look at Eibhear O Dea who walked away disillusioned after two years.
Besides I am doing a part time masters in September and wouldnt have the time.
cerebus
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17-Jun-2012 09:11
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Originally posted by South Limerick Referee:
People have been asking me to do this since the book came out. .... he doesnt doubt my ability to do the job ...........Besides I am doing a part time masters in September and wouldnt have the time.
Ah g'wan, g'wan , g'wan,g'wan, g'wan.....G'WAN ,G'WAN!!
Limerick Rake
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17-Jun-2012 10:20
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Even if you did it to a tenth of your ability it would be a massive improvement on the thrown together carry on at the moment....collate results from each division on sunday evening with the county fixtures and Email To Examiner, Independent.....During the summer months get a 10 minute slot friday & sat previewing the games on 95 FM...reeling off a few players from each club and how the groups are looking..highlighting a few fixtures Local derbies etc like NCW v Knockaderry Int Hurling...Upcoming Granagh V Bruree Senior hurl ..Fr Caseys v Mountcollins Football etc...get the GAA into peoples heads...
Prof Honeydew
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17-Jun-2012 13:21
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As continuity is highly valued in Limerick GAA circles, perhaps one of the other outgoing officers barred from continuing in his position under the five-year rule might allow his arm to be twisted and stand for election as PRO.
South Limerick Referee
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17-Jun-2012 14:42
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Professor Honeydew,
Would the position interest you??
You do have a point though, that musical chairs may well determine who becomes PRO. Liam Lenihan, Owen Hayes, Pat Creed and Mike McDonnell are all at the end of their terms.
Wouldnt it be some turnaround from the Justin debacle if Pat Creed became PRO. The pen being mightier than the sword and all that.
Originally posted by Prof Honeydew:
As continuity is highly valued in Limerick GAA circles, perhaps one of the other outgoing officers barred from continuing in his position under the five-year rule might allow his arm to be twisted and stand for election as PRO.
cove
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17-Jun-2012 16:14
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Originally posted by South Limerick Referee:
Professor Honeydew,Would the position interest you?? You do have a point though, that musical chairs may well determine who becomes PRO. Liam Lenihan, Owen Hayes, Pat Creed and Mike McDonnell are all at the end of their terms. Wouldnt it be some turnaround from the Justin debacle if Pat Creed became PRO. The pen being mightier than the sword and all that.
The professor or kevin keenan would make for great PROs. Just imagine the difference in Limerick GAA if our games were promoted!
granagh
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17-Jun-2012 18:49
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Originally posted by cove:
The professor or kevin keenan would make for great PROs. Just imagine the difference in Limerick GAA if our games were promoted!
Kevin keenen and the professor havent a hope because they are too good and there is a fear of people who are too good. I can tell you that my own club will vote for the person that the county board tell them to vote for and there is not a thing we can do about it.
Limerick Rake
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17-Jun-2012 19:31
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THe Granagh-Ballingarry PRO does a fine job with Club notes in Observor..Another possible candidate...
cove
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17-Jun-2012 21:41
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Originally posted by Limerick Rake:
THe Granagh-Ballingarry PRO does a fine job with Club notes in Observor..Another possible candidate...
i'm sure that there are hundreds of potential candidates. In all fairness, anyone at all would be a big improvement. Our games are not being promoted in Limerick. The Milford site is the best resource in the county and I will admit that the Limerick GAA facebook site is certainly a good source but it remains to be seen how long this service continues. Almost every other county has a proper and well maintained website. Limerick has tried to relaunch their site several times but each time, it has failed due to a complete lack of effort.
South Limerick Referee
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17-Jun-2012 22:11
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Who is the Granagh/Ballingarry PRO????
You could rattle off a name from every club in the county who would do a better job as PRO than anyone looking to play musical chairs. But as the official said to me 12 months ago, its all about how you fit the system.
Are you prepared for instance to vote in certain ways at Top table meetings???
Originally posted by Limerick Rake:
THe Granagh-Ballingarry PRO does a fine job with Club notes in Observor..Another possible candidate...
Hurling Veteran
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18-Jun-2012 17:16
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John Redington and Henry Martin are not suited to the position because they have too much baggage. How would they react if a simple harmless written piece needed to be vetoed by a meeting before it appeared anywhere for no other reason only to let them know who was really pulling the strings? How would they react if they were told in the best interests of unity to support a motion that they did not believe in? How would they react if a guilty player was having his suspension quashed? Would this lead to harmony?
I am not for one minute saying such things are right but they are things that happen in Limerick GAA that will never change. These guys seem unable to accept that such activity will never end and are fighting a losing battle. We need a fresh face as PRO and not somebody who has a reputation for questioning things like Messers. Redington and Martin. There are plenty of young, energetic and capable people there who will do a fantastic job
m_the_d
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18-Jun-2012 17:29
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There is more to the PRO gig than just looking after results. In fact I believe the current system in place operates on referees texting in results.
Seems like the above poster wants a Yes Man in place. Knock on someone elses door.
South Limerick Referee
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18-Jun-2012 19:23
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I have recognised that am best served staying well clear of anything from now on into the future that associates my name with controversy. My time is done, I spoke the truth, challenged things willingly, didnt change anything. Nothing ever changed and all that happened was that people turned against me. The only thing I ever did was to create enemies of people who have only ever heard my name and have never even met me in person.
My future is my teaching career, and I have no interest in anything I deem detrimental to that. I believe I can be very successful in that field, working in areas such as IT in teaching, Literacy and Numeracy, and fighting losing boardroom battles in relation to Limerick GAA would only end up proving an unneccessary distraction from where my real priorities lie. I do not believe it to be appropriate to put myself forward for positions where I know in my heart and soul that there will be obvious disagreements over the needless non-progression of issues that are purely in the best interests of Limerick GAA.
I agree that someone completely new can revitalise the position. Ed Donnelly in Tipperary came in totally from the cold 10 years ago with no track record in the traditional GAA sense and he will tell you that there was significant opposition to him. He brought things to a new level and earned the respect.
We need to be open minded to new people like him in Limerick. However, it speaks volumes that the most important facet of the position of PRO is seen as not what you contribute from a PR sense, but more so what you contribute in terms of votes on management issues.
ajpb
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18-Jun-2012 19:35
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Ed Donnelly was a superb PRO, its no wonder that he is now the Munster GAA PRO. Very professional, the Tipperary website was extremely well run under his watch.
Larkin
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18-Jun-2012 22:23
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Originally posted by Hurling Veteran:
John Redington and Henry Martin are not suited to the position because they have too much baggage. How would they react if a simple harmless written piece needed to be vetoed by a meeting before it appeared anywhere for no other reason only to let them know who was really pulling the strings? How would they react if they were told in the best interests of unity to support a motion that they did not believe in? How would they react if a guilty player was having his suspension quashed? Would this lead to harmony?I am not for one minute saying such things are right but they are things that happen in Limerick GAA that will never change. These guys seem unable to accept that such activity will never end and are fighting a losing battle. We need a fresh face as PRO and not somebody who has a reputation for questioning things like Messers. Redington and Martin. There are plenty of young, energetic and capable people there who will do a fantastic job
So all you want is a new yes man (or woman) or someone from the musical chairs circuit?
Hurling Veteran
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19-Jun-2012 19:16
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Originally posted by Larkin:
So all you want is a new yes man (or woman) or someone from the musical chairs circuit?
It is important that you do not misinterpret me. The two said men are possibly too knowledgeable of the inner workings of the system. Both would see stopping the politics to be as important as the PRO job in itself. You then face a situation where media outlets are instructed by other board members not to give any time or space to the PRO.
That is counter productive. No one person will resolve the political issues within Limerick GAA. That requires a whole county approach. Individuals and clubs need to eliminate this bitterness they have for each other and the tit-for-tat stuff that goes with that. A fresh PRO will be oblivious to all the inner mechanics and will focus only on the position itself.
Larkin
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19-Jun-2012 21:43
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Originally posted by Hurling Veteran:
It is important that you do not misinterpret me.
Not trying to misrepresent you at all but this is what you said previously 'We need a fresh face as PRO and not somebody who has a reputation for questioning things like Messers. Redington and Martin. There are plenty of young, energetic and capable people there who will do a fantastic job'. There is a contradiction in what you are saying.
The job will only be worthwhile if there is wholesale change and that is very unlikely to happen. The clubs of Limerick are like the voters of Ireland, they'll believe anything around election time and put up with an auld 'ah sure, what if' afterwards.
Larkin
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20-Jun-2012 00:31
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http://www.sportsmanager.ie/uploaded/7/news_12_2012.pdf This is what Cork produce. In Limerick you would be lucky to get a fixture sent out, it's like it's a state secret.
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