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batter burger
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I've been revisiting a few of my favorite sports books recently and have been reading this for the past few days, it's quite a good read and must more popular than the bible in Offaly.
What struck me most in the interviews was how ungracious (excepting the late John Egan) Kerry were and appear to remain about the result and in particular Darby's goal "he swung his leg and God guided it". Despite coming so close to the 5 in a row almost every Kerryman interviewed claimed that they completely underperformed on the day, no credit was given to Offaly. Dissapointing for guys who won so much.
One of the Kerry players, maybe Tommy Doyle, also claimed that losing to Cork in 83 was the worst moment of his career, considering that cork had lost 8 munster finals in a row at that stage that was also a bit annoying to read.
Still one of the best GAA books ever in my mind, I'll finish it tonight.
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19-Jun-2012 10:36
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Originally posted by batter burger:
I've been revisiting a few of my favorite sports books recently and have been reading this for the past few days, it's quite a good read and must more popular than the bible in Offaly.
What struck me most in the interviews was how ungracious (excepting the late John Egan) Kerry were and appear to remain about the result and in particular Darby's goal "he swung his leg and God guided it". Despite coming so close to the 5 in a row almost every Kerryman interviewed claimed that they completely underperformed on the day, no credit was given to Offaly. Dissapointing for guys who won so much.
One of the Kerry players, maybe Tommy Doyle, also claimed that losing to Cork in 83 was the worst moment of his career, considering that cork had lost 8 munster finals in a row at that stage that was also a bit annoying to read.
Still one of the best GAA books ever in my mind, I'll finish it tonight.
A bit harsh on Tommy there, Kerry were going for a record 9 Munster titles in a row, when you are denied 2 records by last minute goals it is bound to hurt.
Your overly harsh criticism of Kerry aside, I agree it is a great read. Sad that one of the central figures in the book (Johnny Egan) passed away recently.
bluesky
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19-Jun-2012 10:55
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sure Pat Spillane is still bitter about it after all theses years, i remember him saying after the game he was sorry for mammy sitting at home crying over the lost.
Tommy Doyle would say 1983 was worse that was just to cover that he was at fault for the goal in 1982 as he let the ball over his head for Darby to score.
that was offalys 3rd year in a row to play kerry we scored 4-10
in 1980 again them and were unlucky, in 1981 we were in it for long parts of the game Gerry Carroll hit the crossbar just before Jack O'Shea got his great goal to turn that final.
in 1982 we were ahead at half time and at full time thats what counts in the end and a 1 point win does the same job as 10 points at the end of the day.
no offaly didn't get much credit for winning the match from kerry players after, it was also the first all ireland final that Mike Sheedy didn't score from play in.
i suppose with all the all irelands that great kerry side won the one they wanted was the 5-in-a-row and offaly stopped
them doing it along with their songs and 5-in-a-row T-Shirts.
i was lucky enough to be at that game in 1982 even doe i was only 13 at the time, i still remember offalymen and women crying tears of joy around me after the final whistle
and they are moments i will bring to the grave with me.
and even doe it looks like i may never see them win one again i seen that one which i will never see better.
kavvie
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19-Jun-2012 11:37
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great book and great memorys.at that time kerry thought they had a diving right to win everything.spillane still delights in offaly being so low at the moment.he pitied his ma at home crying?im sure there were a good few roscommon and offaly ma"s crying the previous 2 years?sport is made to go around..offaly were deserving of that all ireland after all the years of near misses and especially for matt connor one of the best footballers ever to take the field.and id agree itl be a long day before an offaly man lifts an all ireland cup again sadly..
Rebel CNC
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Originally posted by kavvie:
great book and great memorys.at that time kerry thought they had a diving right to win ..
In fairness to Kerry, only Aidan O' Mahony and maybe Donnaghy thinks they have a "diving right"!!
batter burger
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19-Jun-2012 18:39
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Just read the short Matt Connor chapter while on the bowl, what an absolute tragedy and what a hero in how he coped. How highly would some of the older guys on here rate him, is there a chance that his circumstances have added to the myth and made him a better player in peoples eyes?
Micko said if he was from Kerry they would have won 10 in a row.
The Minstrel
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19-Jun-2012 18:56
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No embellishment needed. An outstanding player who had an eye for goal and, though fairly big, was able to sidestep defenders with ease. Unbelievable ball control skills, and one of the hardest shots in the game. He scored a great goal against Dublin in the 1980 Leinster final and two crackers against Kerry in the semi the same year that would make any highlight reel. Deadly accurate from placed frees also.
kavvie
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19-Jun-2012 19:08
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he was a complete footballer.physically perfect for gaelic football.from a young age people could see he was special.totally sporting and unassuming in every way both on and off the pitch.he got his fair share of sly digs both at club and county level.i never seen him reacting.my favourite memory of him is the 2 shimmys and an unstoppable shot against kerry in the all ire semi 1980.in my view only the gooch could come near.
cerebus
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19-Jun-2012 19:29
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Matt Connor awesome talent, great attitude. On my team of the Millennium.
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19-Jun-2012 19:47
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Such a pity I wasnt old enough to ever see him play live and such a pity for himself that he never got to have the fulfill his potential.He had a unique way of soloing the ball never saw anyone else solo like he did.
His sidestep for the firt goal he got in the 1980 semi final is brilliant
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntxA4skIGJ4
South Limerick Referee
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I have a copy of the book but never got around to reading it. It will be on my winter list of things to do.
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19-Jun-2012 21:12
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Read it SLR,its superb. Got it before a plane journey abroad as it was pretty much the only GAA book in shop I'd never read. I hardly spoke to the girlfriend on the plane!! A great insight into Eugene McGee and how he operated. I gave it to a mate, he texted me 48hrs later to say he had it read!
notrealdan
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Originally posted by batter burger:
I've been revisiting a few of my favorite sports books recently and have been reading this for the past few days, it's quite a good read and must more popular than the bible in Offaly.
What struck me most in the interviews was how ungracious (excepting the late John Egan) Kerry were and appear to remain about the result and in particular Darby's goal "he swung his leg and God guided it". Despite coming so close to the 5 in a row almost every Kerryman interviewed claimed that they completely underperformed on the day, no credit was given to Offaly. Dissapointing for guys who won so much.
One of the Kerry players, maybe Tommy Doyle, also claimed that losing to Cork in 83 was the worst moment of his career, considering that cork had lost 8 munster finals in a row at that stage that was also a bit annoying to read.
Still one of the best GAA books ever in my mind, I'll finish it tonight.
You're being a bit harsh towards Kerry there burger. Most Kerry players did not perform as high as usual so they are just stating the facts. Also winning teams like Kerry, Man Utd, Tipperary,All Blacks,Brasil, don't like losing-thats why they acheive so much.
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20-Jun-2012 08:42
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Originally posted by notrealdan:
Kerry, Man Utd, Tipperary,All Blacks,Brasil
Spot the odd one out?
cerebus
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Originally posted by notrealdan:
You're being a bit harsh towards Kerry there burger. Most Kerry players did not perform as high as usual so they are just stating the facts.
Yerra, been there, can't sell the teeshirts.... yet.
batter burger
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Originally posted by notrealdan:
You're being a bit harsh towards Kerry there burger. Most Kerry players did not perform as high as usual so they are just stating the facts. Also winning teams like Kerry, Man Utd, Tipperary,All Blacks,Brasil, don't like losing-thats why they acheive so much.
If Darby hadn't scored and Kerry got their five in a row who would be saying they didn't perform to their usual standards, apparently Mikey Sheehy had a poor game and missed a penalty(saved by the way) who else underperformed massively? All I'm saying was that they should have been more gracious, very few of that Offaly team have more than one medal, at least give them credit for it.
cerebus
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Originally posted by batter burger:
All I'm saying was that they should have been more gracious, very few of that Offaly team have more than one medal, at least give them credit for it.
Jaysus,read The Kerryman edition back in the day.
The Offaly lads including Richie Connor were at Deenihan's book launch last Dec....JBM launched it in Cork (but don't know where it landed)....
bluesky
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20-Jun-2012 12:14
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Originally posted by notrealdan:
You're being a bit harsh towards Kerry there burger. Most Kerry players did not perform as high as usual so they are just stating the facts. Also winning teams like Kerry, Man Utd, Tipperary,All Blacks,Brasil, don't like losing-thats why they acheive so much.
what ever about Man utd, Brazil, all Blacks they acheive so much, but you made a bags of it when you put tipp in it whats it 4 all irelands in 40 years sure even offaly have the same and they didn't start hurling till 1980
kavvie
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thats why they only have 4 in 40..an inflated opinion of their own worth!!
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Would love to read it but just dont have the appetite for reading (or writing), and would be doing it a disservice to read half way through it and drop it like the other two I have started but didnt finish.
Originally posted by ajpb:
Read it SLR,its superb. Got it before a plane journey abroad as it was pretty much the only GAA book in shop I'd never read. I hardly spoke to the girlfriend on the plane!! A great insight into Eugene McGee and how he operated. I gave it to a mate, he texted me 48hrs later to say he had it read!
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Originally posted by bluesky:
what ever about Man utd, Brazil, all Blacks they acheive so much, but you made a bags of it when you put tipp in it whats it 4 all irelands in 40 years sure even offaly have the same and they didn't start hurling till 1980
We know the starting date, people disagree on when exactly offaly stopped hurling - and playing football too, for that matter. Thirteen years ago? no provincial title since...bet in everything already this year
bluesky
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Originally posted by lovelyriver:
We know the starting date, people disagree on when exactly offaly stopped hurling - and playing football too, for that matter. Thirteen years ago? no provincial title since...bet in everything already this year
well only offaly, galway, Dublin, cork, have won both in the last 100 years, something kerry or kilkenny can't claim after all they won
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At the time the indo used to run a table showing the top scorers in the country for start of league to the end of the championship. Matt was always way ahead of everyone by about mid Feb.
Awful awful tragedy
notrealdan
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Originally posted by bluesky:
what ever about Man utd, Brazil, all Blacks they acheive so much, but you made a bags of it when you put tipp in it whats it 4 all irelands in 40 years sure even offaly have the same and they didn't start hurling till 1980
I'm talking about consistancy, son, consistancy. No team has been as consistant at winning all Irelands as Tipp have since they started the whole thing back in 1884, fact.
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stop going around looking for a reason to have a go off kerry.
kerry were heartbroken to lose that final which is understandable. mick o dwyer is on record as saying he didnt get over it until matt connor had his road accident and all of a sudden this put the defeat into perspective in the overall scheme of things. Its not uncommon for teams to say that some players didnt perform to their potential on the day after a defeat. Moreover a team going for 5 in a row. I have often read kerry players say that they were fortunate to get a win over offaly on one occasion on the way to 4 in a row and ditto the win over Roscommon but on the other hand felt they were unlucky in 1982. You are reading too much into a few comment or else you are just trying to stir up sh*te.
There is a healthy relationship between that Offaly and Kerry squad. They clashed 3 times in a 3 year period and i am not aware of any animosity or bad feeling betweem the squads. In fact the Offaly manager of the time, Eugene McGee speaks in glowing terms of that kerry team so i doubt Offaly players of that era share your opinion of kerry. I work with 3 staunch offaly GAA men who would have been adults in 1982. I have never heard a negative word out of them about kerry's attitude to their 1982 win and god knows they mention it often enough !! Nothing but the height of respect for kerry out of them.
Originally posted by batter burger:
If Darby hadn't scored and Kerry got their five in a row who would be saying they didn't perform to their usual standards, apparently Mikey Sheehy had a poor game and missed a penalty(saved by the way) who else underperformed massively? All I'm saying was that they should have been more gracious, very few of that Offaly team have more than one medal, at least give them credit for it.
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