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jambon (485 Posts)	Posted: 19-Jun-2012 12:48	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
jambon (485 Posts)	Surely it has to begin from today. This joker is destroying the Irish team and i agree with Roddy Collins he will set Irish football back 20 years. The sooner Trap goes the better, i know we're not Spain but surely we can make an attempt at passing the ball to each other. Anyone of Redknapp, Keane or McCarthy would make a good replacement.
All Star Hurler (244 Posts)	Posted: 19-Jun-2012 12:51	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
All Star Hurler (244 Posts)	Personally I'd like to see Chris Houghton in charge.
Sean Mc Dermotts (396 Posts)	Posted: 19-Jun-2012 12:53	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Sean Mc Dermotts (396 Posts)	i agree with Roddy Collins says it all really, the man has 2 years left on his contract and should be left to get on with it, otherwise the skint FAI will have to pay him off and come up with the wages for the new boss, Rednapp wouldnt take it, wouldnt want Roy keane and i doubt mick would come back, would be ok with him
Rebel CNC (4,232 Posts)	Posted: 19-Jun-2012 12:55	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Rebel CNC (4,232 Posts)	Originally posted by jambon: . This joker is destroying the Irish team and i agree with Roddy Collins he will set Irish football back 20 years. .... . Roddy Collins??? Well in that case, Trapp won't see out the weekend never mind next two years Let's compare Trappatoni's record in football with Roddy's!!!
Keanes Road (2,524 Posts)	Posted: 19-Jun-2012 12:56	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Keanes Road (2,524 Posts)	What about Pat Dolan as manager, I saw last where he suggested we go 433 against Spain with James McClean coming in at left back. Is he part of the media campaign?
Kenny_Powers (51 Posts)	Posted: 19-Jun-2012 12:57	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Kenny_Powers (51 Posts)	Set us back 20 years?? Christ I'd love to be set back to the players we had 20 years ago
carryharry (4,804 Posts)	Posted: 19-Jun-2012 12:57	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
carryharry (4,804 Posts)	In fairness we are a fickle bunch! We gave years looking for a foreign coach with continential idea's, we got Trapp and we were robbed of a World Cup appearance by France. We then qualified for the Euro's and unluckily got a nightmare group. It is obviously harder to get out of a Euro group than a World Cup group. I really think he had to go with what he had at these championships, look at Holland with all their flair and how far it got them! I would love to see more passing and attacking football but we lack options for this game plan. The media can hunt all they want but the bottomline is that the man has a 2 year contract to see out. I can't see him going anywhere unless we are out of World Cup qualification early in the campaign.
sam (8,946 Posts)	Posted: 19-Jun-2012 13:00	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
sam (8,946 Posts)	We're great fans aren't we. Just like them across the water. No one cares about the soccer team (empty seats all over the shop at matches the last few years). They then qualify, albeit by riding our luck at times, then the bandwagon gets rolling, we then let expectations get out of hand and then crucify everyone who didn't perform and call for the managers head. We were undone by less then ideal build up to this tournament for two of our best players, in Given and Dunne, which compounded the already glaring lack of talent available. St.Ledger can't get a game at the mighty Leicester City for god sake. Kevin Doyle never scores as far as i can see. Ward at left back? We expect this bunch to take on the Spanish & Italians? I can't see how anyone can expect us to do so with a team of journeymen. Loser mentality? No just living in the real world. Trap is guilty of being slow to throw in new players but lets not let a handful of clips of fairly average to good play fool us into thinking we've a team in Iniesta's being left out by the management team. You can find a clip of good play by any player on the current panel, that doesnt mean they are up to the tasks of playing the better teams in europe. Holland went home with bags of talent available compared to us. This message has been edited - 19-jun-2012 @ 13:02
jambon (485 Posts)	Posted: 19-Jun-2012 13:26	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
jambon (485 Posts)	Ah come on man, we've been absolute rubbish for all of Trap's tenure in charge. I know we're not Holland but we're not San Marino either.
frasiercrane (1,843 Posts)	Posted: 19-Jun-2012 13:36	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
frasiercrane (1,843 Posts)	Just looking at Trappatonis record and he has won 7 Serie A Titles,and the league in Germany,Austria and Portugal and all 3 Major European Throphies.He was desperately unlucky when he was Italys coach aswell. People are critcising Trap for Irelands performances but some of the goals Ireland conceded in the Euros were horrendous and no manager should be blamed for the terrible defending from Ireland,.John O'Sheas attempt at stopping Bolotelli last night was laughable. This message has been edited - 19-jun-2012 @ 13:50
Dublin_Ultra (362 Posts)	Posted: 19-Jun-2012 13:50	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Dublin_Ultra (362 Posts)	Henry's handball in the WC playoff in Paris balanced out the luck we received during the WC qualifiers. Off the top of my head: -In the home game against Georgia the referee awarded a penalty to Ireland for a non-existent handball. Without this we would have struggled to beat them -Georgia v Ireland was the only fixtture affected by the brief Ossetia conflict and avoided a hostile game in Tiblissi. The game was played in Germany -Pazzini was unjustly sent off after a few minutes in the Italy-Ireland game in Bari Also the players took the initiative in Paris and went for France ignoring Trappatoni's instructions. If we played like that in the 1st leg we would have qualified for the WC. Trappatoni's record and behaviour in tournaments with Italy and Ireland suggests he is not capable of dealing with the pressure of tournaments. He ruined a great Italian team in the WC 2002 and Euro 2004, crippling them with negative football and then making excuses of conspiracy for his failings.
Rebel CNC (4,232 Posts)	Posted: 19-Jun-2012 13:57	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Rebel CNC (4,232 Posts)	Originally posted by frasiercrane: Just looking at Trappatonis record on Footballs greatest Manaagers on Sky Last night and he has won 7 Serie A Titles,and the league in Germany,Austria and Portugal and all 3 Major European Throphies.He was desperately unlucky when he was Italys coach aswell.People are critcising Trap for Irelands performances but some of the goals Ireland conceded in the Euros were horrendous and no manager shoudl be blamed for the terrible defending from Ireland,.John O'Sheas attempt at stopping Bolotelli last night was laughable. Exactly - he has the Irish players for a few days four or five times a year (if that). He can work on certian drills and tactics but even if he had them for forty or fifty days, he's not going to turn a team of premiership journeymen and npower hackers into a fluid passing machine. Even Martin O' Neill, for all his fine qualities will not be presenting Trppatoni with a technically gifted supreme reader of the game in McLean. Balotelli's goal last night a good example. Likewise, all the coaching in the world will be of little use if players allow likes of Fabregras and Silva to stroll around penalty area with all the time in the world. Some people talk of McLean and McCarthy as if they were a new Iniesta or Scholes. If they were even close to that standard they'd be at one of Manchester clubs or Chelsea by now or at Spurs, Arsenal, Liverpool at very least.
Roberto Jordan (825 Posts)	Posted: 19-Jun-2012 14:08	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Roberto Jordan (825 Posts)	Ireland played decent football, albeit it with a better squad ( key players were younger, in better form) under Brian Kerr. Kerr didn’t get any breaks , but also it has to be said, came up short once or twice, in particular in getting a performance out of the team vs. Switzerland At the time I felt he should have been left where he was ..... But the Irish public and the FAI felt that we were better than that..... Staunton was a joke... Then trappatoni came in.. he has dealt with a limited bunch of players. His key strategy seemed to be : 1) Limit the opposition 2) Play with tactical discipline 3) He has also, I believe, whittled out anyone who is less than enamored with turning out game in game out for Ireland....while I think Shay Givens cap collecting has bit us in arse this tournament by him being selected when less than fully fit ( that or he is just past it) the fact is it is not always glamorous or exciting to line out for Ireland and I think Trappatoni made one of his key tenets that players would have to show continual consistent commitment I do believe he has made mistakes, but I do think some of the "alternate" irish teams being thrown around will look as ridiculous as the ones with Andy reid and stephen ireland from 2 years ago do now......( anyone who interjects on stephen ireland needs to accept that he has had 4 or 5 decent games from villa this year but other than that has barely been a pro footballer in the past 2 years).......... For example, I am an arsenal fan and am shocked that random posters can be so certain of the potential abilities of conor henderson to include him our team for qualifying..... However I noted the abuse Simon cox got after the group game including one some poster who claims to have had season tickets for premier league clubs saying they never heard of him .....so my conclusion is that while I am no soccer expert there is a lot of wind and guff on here and people are just reading the u-21 line-ups and making extrapolations...... Like most people I have more wrong opinions than right ones...but I was not too surprised by our performance given our team on paper...even with McLean thrown in or the correct strike force ( long and Walters) starting up front we would not have fared much better...... Granted the early goal against Croatia was Abad start and things did not get much better from there....players looked short on confidence but impossible to know if they brought this in or if it was a result of the results....O'sheas defedning for teh balotelli goal screamed lack of confidence to me...he was so concerned about what balotelli might do that he cahneeled everything into stopping/ foluing him and never thought about competing for the ball.... My question is what do people want? Personally I think we need to thread a fine line between playing a brand of football that is good enough to give us a chance to compete if we do qualify and also getting decent enough results in qualifying to maintain our FIFA co-efficient...as seeding are vital as Wales, Scotland and NI have learned to their detriment.............. As above Kerr's approach I found balanced between caution and freedom of expression....but don’t forget it was heavily inferred in the media that our boys in green behaved not too dissimilarly to the Liverpool players with Hodgson when Kerr insulted them by asking them to study the opposition and practice basic skills & tactics............. The continued progression of mccarthy at wigan & one other midfeild option along with one or two defenders (full backs) would improve this team greatly. Finally it is clear we are as delusional as the english in our own way. As soon as a guy plays one or two premier league games it seems he is a player of massive potential.......if a player has a decent season he is world class and bound for top clubs......most of our players are middling and we need to calm down about every guy that comes along....( that being said Trapp does need to be flexible about picking players in form / with confidence when an laternate exists........hunt/ doyle/ ward all no where near the players they were two years ago and not good enough to keep picking in manner of keane/ given/ dunne) This message has been edited - 19-jun-2012 @ 14:22
murraymarmalade (2,008 Posts)	Posted: 19-Jun-2012 14:28	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
murraymarmalade (2,008 Posts)	Originally posted by Roberto Jordan:.However I noted the abuse Simon cox got after the group game including one some poster who claims to have had season tickets for premier league clubs saying they never heard of him .... I think the poster said he was in a pub and people watching the game with him didnt know who Cox played for.
joe bloggs (1,069 Posts)	Posted: 19-Jun-2012 14:29	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
joe bloggs (1,069 Posts)	I can't wait for the olympics to start. The same bunch of moaners will be giving out about the lack of medals. People forget how small this island is,and as soccer is really an amateur game here it was a fantastic achievement to qualify
djabu (413 Posts)	Posted: 19-Jun-2012 15:37	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
djabu (413 Posts)	good man, Roberto. Most sensible, level-headed post on this topic that I've read. Trappatoni has done a superb job with limited resources. Better Rep.Ireland squads have failed to qualify, & he can't be held responsible for the loss of form, for whatever reasons, of our better players coming into this tournament.
Barry (492 Posts)	Posted: 19-Jun-2012 15:48	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Barry (492 Posts)	What's Joe Kinnear doing these days? Think we should at least go for a manager who can speak English.
corcaighabu92 (1,149 Posts)	Posted: 19-Jun-2012 15:50	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
corcaighabu92 (1,149 Posts)	Lads, he got us to a tournament but with a lot of luck. We all thought Russia were great when we lost to them but they couldnt even get out of a poor group. Slovakia are no great shakes. We drew with them twice. They just managed to ---- up in a few other games. Plus we got so lucky in getting Estonia in the play offs. If we had drawn anyone else we wouldnt have got through i think. Also, Im sure Trap had the backing of all his first choice players. Dont think he has now. Dunne, Whelan have said that a system change was needed. Never mind the starting players what about the players who didnt play. McClean, Long, Walters didnt play enough and likes of Gibson, Kelly, Hunt got no game time. Cox got too much time. For all his faults he did bring Irish football on somebit up to the Euros. In the space of 3 weeks he has destroyed it and put it back years. In the WC qualifiers he could set us back even further. Surely his contract should be reviewed. Led his team to equal worst team at a tournament.
jambon (485 Posts)	Posted: 19-Jun-2012 15:57	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
jambon (485 Posts)	Originally posted by frasiercrane: Just looking at Trappatonis record and he has won 7 Serie A Titles,and the league in Germany,Austria and Portugal and all 3 Major European Throphies.He was desperately unlucky when he was Italys coach aswell.People are critcising Trap for Irelands performances but some of the goals Ireland conceded in the Euros were horrendous and no manager should be blamed for the terrible defending from Ireland,.John O'Sheas attempt at stopping Bolotelli last night was laughable. That's all in the past. Trap's day in the sun has come and gone. If he's so good why is'nt there a queue of clubs trying to snap him up? Trap's tactics are from another era and he needs to go before he does anymore damage.
FTJC (1,138 Posts)	Posted: 19-Jun-2012 16:01	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
FTJC (1,138 Posts)	With his team and squad selections...Trap is contriving to get rid of Trap
frasiercrane (1,843 Posts)	Posted: 19-Jun-2012 16:27	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
frasiercrane (1,843 Posts)	Originally posted by jambon: That's all in the past. Trap's day in the sun has come and gone. If he's so good why is'nt there a queue of clubs trying to snap him up? Trap's tactics are from another era and he needs to go before he does anymore damage. He left the Italy job in 04 after teh Euros that year and he landed teh Benfica Job almost immediately afterwards.The intersting thing about that Sky documentary was that he said he liked studying players and haveing time to correct their flaws and he saw his role as that of a teacher.In international management you dont get any time to fix the flaws the players already have so he is stuck with what he has.I would think he stuck with the team that palyed inteh euros because it was basically the same team he started the qualifying campaign with and he felt if tehy were good enough to get us here they at least deserved a chance to perform in the finals
manfromdelmonte (2,268 Posts)	Posted: 19-Jun-2012 16:34	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
manfromdelmonte (2,268 Posts)	the scary thing is.... Ireland have performed better the less time Trap has had the Irish squad together everytime they are together for a whole week of training they put in a bad performance whereas they perform much better with a short lead in time Why? I think its because Trap is unteaching all the qualities that has most of them playing at premier league or championship clubs. ie the skill they have
sam (8,946 Posts)	Posted: 19-Jun-2012 20:14	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
sam (8,946 Posts)	Originally posted by joe bloggs: I can't wait for the olympics to start. The same bunch of moaners will be giving out about the lack of medals. People forget how small this island is,and as soccer is really an amateur game here it was a fantastic achievement to qualify Exactly. The media are constantly accusing Irish managers of being conservative just because they don't select the latest player to be totally over hyped. Trapp is getting it, Brian Kerr got it before him, Declan kidney is getting it and Eddie o Sullivan got it before him to. Problem is we hype every young player who kicks a ball straight, and then moan endlessly if the national manager doesn't fall for the hype.
tv1 (237 Posts)	Posted: 19-Jun-2012 23:23	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
tv1 (237 Posts)	The best thing that could happen now is Keane Dunne Given Duff should all call it quits and thanks for the memories lads.
the moose (819 Posts)	Posted: 19-Jun-2012 23:50	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
the moose (819 Posts)	It was funny last night on RTE showing old clips of Seamus Coleman, he hardly played five full games for Everton this year.

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