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Is it foolish to base your season around
flattythehurdler
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20-Jun-2012 10:31
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a match against the greatest hurling team the country has ever seen? I absolutely admire everything about the dublin senior hurling team and their management , but it makes me uneasy that they have sacrificed their div 1 a league status and thrown all their chips in the pot for a one off against kilkenny. I really hope they win, but it's a tall order. I admire their cojones though. I tip my hat to them.
Blanco
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20-Jun-2012 10:48
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Are you saying that such is the precision of peaking lads for a big day in the GAA nowadays is at such a level that after Saturday night Dublin will go into a slump from a high peak and will have no chance of winning anything for the rest of the season, if Dublin lose on Saturday it will be a big setback , just like it will be to KK , Tipp , Cork if any of these lose over the weekend but the season will not be over for any of them.
I don't think they sacrificed the league either , they were extremely unlucky not to beat both KK and Tipp , the kind of performances put in did not look like a team sacrificing anything.
Why does there always have to be a conspiracy or another motive when team lose a few matches in GAA, I often heard Liam Sheedy say he often laughs when he hears people talk about Tipp's great master plan in 2010 to go through the qualifiers and peak later on to win the AI , he says whatever plan they had , Losing to Cork and going out of Munster in the first round was def not part of it, it just happened.
N16
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20-Jun-2012 10:55
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Was in Josie Harte's in Gort Saturday evening with a good hurling crew from both Clare and Galway with plenty of IC experience both young and old between them. This was the game that everyone was talking about. Everyone seemed to be of the opinion that Dublin could win this match. The question however most people had was "could Dublin beat them twice in the one year?" They were very unlucky in the League in the games with Cork, KK and Tipp. But with Hiney, Keaney etc back they should be a much different prospect come Saturday evening. A lot of people will be glued to this match.
dubliner 2
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20-Jun-2012 11:13
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Keaney made the point in the Herald last night that while they were gunning for KK front door or back door did not matter as long as they took one further step over last year and try to get into the All Ireland Final.
I don't think Dublin took the league for granted. Should have beaten Cork and Tipp and Ryan O'Dwyer messed them up vs KK and all this without Hiney/Keaney/Brady.
I want them to win badly on Saturday but if they don't then they won't see KK again until the All Ireland Final and I believe they can beat anyone else on any given day.
N16
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20-Jun-2012 11:16
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Originally posted by dubliner 2:
Keaney made the point in the Herald last night that while they were gunning for KK front door or back door did not matter as long as they took one further step over last year and try to get into the All Ireland Final.I don't think Dublin took the league for granted. Should have beaten Cork and Tipp and Ryan O'Dwyer messed them up vs KK and all this without Hiney/Keaney/Brady.I want them to win badly on Saturday but if they don't then they won't see KK again until the All Ireland Final and I believe they can beat anyone else on any given day.
Would you take a Bob O'Keefe Cup this year D2 and be happy with that?
Blanco
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20-Jun-2012 11:20
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Originally posted by dubliner 2:
I want them to win badly on Saturday but if they don't then they won't see KK again until the All Ireland Final and I believe they can beat anyone else on any given day.
If ye lose on Saturday and Galway lose the Leinster final and both Dublin an Galway make the AI semi Final , then Dublin will play KK in the Semi final. Even if ye beat KK on Sat ye could still end up playing them in a AI semi final.
But a lot of hurling to go before any of them scenarios.
dubliner 2
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20-Jun-2012 12:33
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Originally posted by N16:
Would you take a Bob O'Keefe Cup this year D2 and be happy with that?
Tough one. On the one hand it's a championship victory over KK. On the other hand if they lose the semi then it's a second semi final defeat in a row.
But being that it's the Cats I think overall I would.
turncoat
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20-Jun-2012 13:26
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Dublin were very unlucky in the league.they took the league seriously, I'd say with injuries they probably said the next time they'd have a full pick was championship but would defo have wanted to stay in Div.1.
I think any Dublin fan would take your hand off if you offered them the Bob O Keefe. Winning a Leinster would be a massive massive step.Beating Kilkenny and Galway to do it is a serious ask though. Thought Dublin defence struggled to clear their lines against Galway in relegation match, hope to fcuk they've worked on this because kk will be coming at them twice as hard. Also I hope Daly doesn't have them too revved up as there is more than a few quick tempers in that team and would hate to see the task made harder with 14 men from early on, beacause the first 15/20 minutes of this game is going to be ferocious.
rebelrebel30
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20-Jun-2012 13:35
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Originally posted by dubliner 2:
Keaney made the point in the Herald last night that while they were gunning for KK front door or back door did not matter as long as they took one further step over last year and try to get into the All Ireland Final.I don't think Dublin took the league for granted. Should have beaten Cork and Tipp and Ryan O'Dwyer messed them up vs KK and all this without Hiney/Keaney/Brady.I want them to win badly on Saturday but if they don't then they won't see KK again until the All Ireland Final and I believe they can beat anyone else on any given day.
I would think the other teams outside Kilkenny would believe they can beat Dublin on any given day too.
robbied
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20-Jun-2012 13:56
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My big worry as a Tipp man is that Dublin will beat Kilkenny on Saturday. I dont think Kilkenny will be beaten twice in the championship.
Sledgehammer
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20-Jun-2012 14:05
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Originally posted by dubliner 2:
Tough one. On the one hand it's a championship victory over KK. On the other hand if they lose the semi then it's a second semi final defeat in a row.But being that it's the Cats I think overall I would.
The reason I think you should is not only do Dublin need it Leinster needs it, 13/14 last Leinster titles gone way of KK.
2 things worry me about Dublin, firstly will they score enough from play, dominated games in past and haven't pushed on. Secondly, a certain Tipp man ROD, seeing RED
dubliner 2
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20-Jun-2012 15:44
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Originally posted by Sledgehammer:
The reason I think you should is not only do Dublin need it Leinster needs it, 13/14 last Leinster titles gone way of KK.2 things worry me about Dublin, firstly will they score enough from play, dominated games in past and haven't pushed on. Secondly, a certain Tipp man ROD, seeing RED
If Dwyer sees red on Sunday he should never play for Dublin again.
If he hasn't learned his lesson by now he never will and is of no use to us.
South Limerick Referee
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20-Jun-2012 15:51
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If he sees Yellow, they should consider taking him off immediately.
Originally posted by dubliner 2:
If Dwyer sees red on Sunday he should never play for Dublin again.If he hasn't learned his lesson by now he never will and is of no use to us.
Duke of Wellington
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20-Jun-2012 16:04
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Sorry now, this league game that Dublin should have beaten Tipp in, was this not drawn by a freak goal with the last puck of the game? Hmmmm.
bluesky
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20-Jun-2012 16:04
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theres alot of talk about Dublin beating kilkenny and waiting for this game all year, they could flop to and the cats could beat them well like they have in the last two championships.
its funny if Dublin were to beat the cats which they could do i could see Galway winning the leinster final.
kilkenny would be then in the back door and cody and his side would be very sore i wouldn't like to face an kilkenny team under cody looking to right a few wrongs.
flattythehurdler
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21-Jun-2012 09:34
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Originally posted by Blanco:
Are you saying that such is the precision of peaking lads for a big day in the GAA nowadays is at such a level that after Saturday night Dublin will go into a slump from a high peak and will have no chance of winning anything for the rest of the season, if Dublin lose on Saturday it will be a big setback , just like it will be to KK , Tipp , Cork if any of these lose over the weekend but the season will not be over for any of them.I don't think they sacrificed the league either , they were extremely unlucky not to beat both KK and Tipp , the kind of performances put in did not look like a team sacrificing anything.Why does there always have to be a conspiracy or another motive when team lose a few matches in GAA, I often heard Liam Sheedy say he often laughs when he hears people talk about Tipp's great master plan in 2010 to go through the qualifiers and peak later on to win the AI , he says whatever plan they had , Losing to Cork and going out of Munster in the first round was def not part of it, it just happened.
I wasn't saying that, but it seems to be a general perception that dublin have aimed to peak for this game and had their eye off the ball for the NHL as a result. If they have had the courage to throw all their resources into a game against KK and a lash at the leinster championship, then hats off to them, but KK look unbeatable to me. Hope I'm wrong.
Blanco
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21-Jun-2012 09:58
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Originally posted by flattythehurdler:
then hats off to them, but KK look unbeatable to me. Hope I'm wrong.
What kind of attitude is that , they were well beaten in 2010, they were very lucky in 2009 after been dominated for most of the game, for all their possession last year they still only won by 4pts.
Don't get me wrong they are the best team in the country no doubt at the moment, but talk of any team been unbeatable is rubbish.
Dublin may not win on Saturday but I would also give them a great chance and a bit of luck they are well capable of getting the win here.
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