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Topic: Well done Martin Breheny today indo !
Bridgeman6 (27 Posts)	Posted: 21-Jun-2012 09:37	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Bridgeman6 (27 Posts)	SHOCK, horror, disgust. Public sensitivities were, apparently, so grievously wounded by a GAA manager displaying emotion on the sideline during a tight, tense championship game that RTE investigators felt compelled to act. Hell, he had even used bad language, an offence so rare in our lovely land that the Moral Mammies of Montrose wept on behalf of a scandalised nation. But, bravely shouldering the huge burden of responsibility associated with being the national broadcaster, they dried their tears and instructed 'The Sunday Game' to 'investigate' (RTE's word) the urgent case of Davy Fitzgerald and the few choice words he uttered during the Waterford-Clare game in Thurles on Sunday. They had no choice, you see. The tweeting classes had demanded the investigation and, editorial judgment being what it is nowadays, there's no banality inane enough to be ignored, no half-witted gossip daft enough to be zapped. According to the 'The Sunday Game', people were unhappy with a few colourful words uttered by Fitzgerald, in which case it might have been deemed imprudent to further ruffle delicate feathers before they retired for the night but, hey, hard-nosed investigators don't flinch. So RTE played the clip again, just in case it hadn't registered fully with the afternoon audience during the live screening. Besides, new viewers were now tuned in and they had to be fully informed of what Fitzgerald had said but only after the Moral Mammies of Montrose had bleeped out the offending words. Public service obligations and all that! Presenter Des Cahill looked uncomfortable fronting the 'investigation' and panellist Liam Sheedy quickly weighed in to point out that most managers have their moments on the sideline. He also mentioned the massive contribution Davy Fitz makes to hurling. "There are a huge amount of pluses about what he brings to the game," said Sheedy supportively. Co-panellist Eddie Brennan looked as if he was about to explode into laughter at any moment, presumably at the notion that something as irrelevant as a manager uttering a few frothy words was up for 'investigation.' harmless It might all appear pretty harmless but, in reality, it's not. For 'The Sunday Game' to hype up a minor incident, using Twitter-trash as a justifying reason, is not only editorially indefensible, it's also unfair. And while Sheedy and Brennan brought their street-savvy balance to proceedings, the damage had been done. In my view RTE owes Fitzgerald an apology. Was he the first manager in any televised sport to use choice language? Of course not. Yet, how often have RTE -- or other broadcasters either -- highlighted verbal indiscretions? Does RTE have microphones stuck so close to Giovanni Trapattoni that they pick up his every word and return to them later? Do they eavesdrop on Declan Kidney? And, I suspect, they would be mighty careful about highlighting utterances from the likes of Brian Cody, Pat Gilroy, Jack O'Connor, Conor Counihan and various others. No suggestion of bad language from any of them, but I suspect they wouldn't take too kindly to 'The Sunday Game' revisiting any comments made during a game. Understandably so, because despite its high public profile, the sideline is actually quite a private place. In case it's forgotten, Davy Fitzgerald is an amateur. His devotion to hurling is all-consuming, whether with county, club or college. From a media viewpoint, he's good to work with, always throwing out lively quotes and never trading in dull platitudes. In return for that refreshingly honest approach, he was, in my view, shamelessly exploited by RTE while going about his business in the white heat of a championship game. He was extremely dignified after Sunday's narrow defeat, passing off jibes from some Waterford players in a manner which showed that his affection for the county which gave him his first managerial break is real. He didn't need to have a few minor verbal outbursts (for God's sake, they happen on every sideline every day) repeated, parsed and analysed on RTE several hours later. It was cheap, shoddy television which reflected more on RTE's editorial judgment than on Fitzgerald. It shouldn't have gone unnoticed in Croke Park either. At the very least, they should ask if different standards apply to the coverage of Gaelic Games than to other sports. As for the Moral Mammies of Montrose, who do they think they're kidding? Using Twitter-trash to suggest that the country was scandalised by a few throwaway remarks should be seen for what it is -- a cop-out. And Davy Fitz? The word 'no' might be first up next time he's asked for an interview by RTE. Politely put, of course, in case it prompts a nosebleed all around Donnybrook. - Martin Breheny
dubliner 2 (10,823 Posts)	Posted: 21-Jun-2012 09:53	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
dubliner 2 (10,823 Posts)	Not often I agre with Breheny but he's spot on here. This message has been edited - 21-jun-2012 @ 09:53
cerebus (3,258 Posts)	Posted: 21-Jun-2012 10:16	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
cerebus (3,258 Posts)	Originally posted by Bridgeman6: SHOCK, horror, disgust. ...And Davy Fitz?The word 'no' might be first up next time he's asked for an interview by RTE.Politely put, of course, in case it prompts a nosebleed all around Donnybrook.- Martin Breheny Yerra.
bp (2,408 Posts)	Posted: 21-Jun-2012 10:16	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
bp (2,408 Posts)	Well done Martin Breheny ! ....." it was cheap shoddy television " - got it in one
LETRIP (2,049 Posts)	Posted: 21-Jun-2012 10:21	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
LETRIP (2,049 Posts)	Originally posted by bp: Well done Martin Breheny !....." it was cheap shoddy television " - got it in one Agree 100%
busdriver (999 Posts)	Posted: 21-Jun-2012 10:24	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
busdriver (999 Posts)	there was a time when he was younger that the bold Des Cahill was an ABU and an avid Hammer and an anti establishment figure within the state broadcaster but it seems that years of fronting up for the match with that fountain of gaa knowledge mary whats her name have clouded his judgement .The people of Corofin must be very proud to call him a local. Sad to witness really but good of martin to point it out. Go on Davy Come on the banner
N16 (1,724 Posts)	Posted: 21-Jun-2012 10:41	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
N16 (1,724 Posts)	Does anyone actually take that ass Des Cahill seriously? As busdriver said, he championed the ABU brigade in the 90s and it wasnt long until we had success in Clare and that ABU quickly turned to ABC on his Monday night programme, which was nothing more than every sort of clwon and ape ringing RTE to complain about something they perceived happening the day before. It goes to show just how far RTE has fallen as a broadcaster when someone like Des Cahill can end up hosting the Sunday Game. That and their anti-GAA bias.
dodgy-keeper (3,496 Posts)	Posted: 21-Jun-2012 10:56	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
dodgy-keeper (3,496 Posts)	Breheny knows he can't afford to criticise Davy Fitz or any team manager or player - if he does he won't get the cushy pre and post match quotes.
N16 (1,724 Posts)	Posted: 21-Jun-2012 11:01	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
N16 (1,724 Posts)	On the other hand regarding Breheny, it was he who was mainly responsible for the furore surrounding the whole "Semplegate" affair bewteen Clare and Cork in 06. There was shoving and pushing etc for sure as the teams came out but he made a huge issue out of it the next day. So him criticising anyone is a bit rich. Several lads got suspended as a result of that "melee" and I remember thinking at the time that nothing would have been amde of it were it not for Breheny's personal crusade. People in glass-houses should not throw stones.
cerebus (3,258 Posts)	Posted: 21-Jun-2012 11:20	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
cerebus (3,258 Posts)	In fairness Davy is not as articulate as Aldo/Jack, back in the day...Boiling point, my a*se. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTLGghhcHzg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSJVL74OlQk
Snoop99 (234 Posts)	Posted: 21-Jun-2012 11:42	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Snoop99 (234 Posts)	This is the kind of rot that marks Breheny out at a plonker, he completely missed the point regarding Davy and it is shoot the messanger. I doubt anyone give a fiddlers about the bad language he used, however Davy's sledging opposition players at Sundays game is a new low. RTE are dead right to highlight Davy boasting and goading players about his medals, as this lead and explains the other incidents at the end. The comments shown live initialy is only a sample of what was said last Sunday nothing more. I have to laugh every time I hear people comment on Davy's passion as if it is some cover all excuse for his behaviour to players and match officials. The GAA has lots of managers have passion Cody, Mickey Harte etc.. however they don't act the bollox like Davy. This message has been edited - 21-jun-2012 @ 12:34
Open the Shoulders (439 Posts)	Posted: 21-Jun-2012 11:43	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Open the Shoulders (439 Posts)	N16 apples and oranges from you there. The two incidents were at opposite ends of the scale. Martin Breheny is not throwing any stones in a glasshouse here. The behaviour of certain players involved in Thurles that day deserved sanction. I was sitting close to Davy Fitz last Sunday and he was much less animated than usual. He disputed a lineball call which happens in probably every hurling game, the fact that the call was wrong makes his reaction understandable if not justifiable. A Waterford player then directed a comment (or 2) to DF to which he responded with as effective a come-back as you are ever likely to hear, with or without the effs. I agree that his language was inappropriate for daytime TV but they were not intended for broadcast. Imagine the outrage if a mic was placed in the terrace or stand at any game or in the dressing room before any game at any level in any sport. I thought the actions of John Mullane in particular and Eoin Kelly to a lesser extent showed them up as very ungracious winners. I have never heard Davy Fitz say anything negative about the Waterford players and if they feel that they underachieved because of his management I'm afraid they are being unrealistic. However I would consider striking with hurleys to be more serious than any of the behaviour last Sunday.
Tulips (9 Posts)	Posted: 21-Jun-2012 11:57	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Tulips (9 Posts)	http://www.independent.ie/sport/hurling/codys-winning-habit-fits-the-bill-for-davy-2953018.html
Open the Shoulders (439 Posts)	Posted: 21-Jun-2012 12:05	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Open the Shoulders (439 Posts)	Originally posted by Snoop99: This is the kind of rot that marks Breheny out at a plonker, he completely missed the point regarding Davy and it is shoot the messanger. I doubt anyone give a fiddlers about the bad language he used, however Davy's sledging opposition players at Sundays game is a new low. RTE are dead right to highlight Davy boasting and goading players about his medals, as this lead and explains the other incidents at the end. The comments shown live initialy is only a sample of what was said last Sunday nothing more. I have to laugh every time I hear people comment on Davy's passion as if it is some cover all excuse for his behaviour to players and match officials. The GAA has lots of managers have passion Cody, Mickey Harte etc.. however they don't act the bollox like Davy. Snoop you are incorrect there, besides the incident highlighted there was only one other time in the game that he did some roaring at anyone, the officials in this case and the linesman B Kelly told him to cool it. As you know there was an open microphone beside where he was standing on Sunday. Where is your evidence of "sledging"? Do you feel that a player is free to make comments to an opposing manager but the manager cannot respond? I am not defending Davy Fitz's behaviour in every game but am commenting on what I witnessed from a distance of maybe 10-15 metres last Sunday. This message has been edited - 21-jun-2012 @ 12:35
Not Men But Giants (623 Posts)	Posted: 21-Jun-2012 12:17	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Not Men But Giants (623 Posts)	Excellent article
carryharry (4,804 Posts)	Posted: 21-Jun-2012 12:21	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
carryharry (4,804 Posts)	That article was in yesterdays edition and i for once was in a agreement with Brehany. When Mickey Harte came out and said he would not talk to RTE till Brian Carthy got more matches RTE were up in arms that he would take that appraoch and ignore their microphones! Then they stick a microphone right under Davy's nose during a tense and important MSH match and catch a few fcuks and throw their toys out of the pram! You really couldn't write it! When i went to the Independent website they had the 2 other side stories from the page up but not (this) the main story on Davy & RTE. I thought it was a bit odd. This message has been edited - 21-jun-2012 @ 12:22
The Parting Gas (158 Posts)	Posted: 21-Jun-2012 12:24	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
The Parting Gas (158 Posts)	Originally posted by Snoop99: This is the kind of rot that marks Breheny out at a plonker, he completely missed the point regarding Davy and it is shoot the messanger. I doubt anyone give a fiddlers about the bad language he used, however Davy's sledging opposition players at Sundays game is a new low. RTE are dead right to highlight Davy boasting and goading players about his medals, as this lead and explains the other incidents at the end. The comments shown live initialy is only a sample of what was said last Sunday nothing more. I have to laugh every time I hear people comment on Davy's passion as if it is some cover all excuse for his behaviour to players and match officials. The GAA has lots of managers have passion Cody, Mickey Harte etc.. however they don't act the bollox like Davy. You're the only one that seems to have heard this 'sledging' - the rest of us are only aware of what was going in the opposite direction from Eoin Kelly and John Mullane. Fitzgerald ignored this to his credit, something which hopefully indicates a new-found maturity. What RTE were highlighting were a few effs thrown over a line ball, which is a joke. If anything I would fault both Sheedy and Brennan for not telling Des to cop the fcuk on. That's assuming your post above is not the endless tiresome trolling that so bedevils this site. This message has been edited - 21-jun-2012 @ 12:36
turncoat (489 Posts)	Posted: 21-Jun-2012 13:32	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
turncoat (489 Posts)	lads, do you think its Des cahills decision whether that incident was highlighted or not ? He actually looked quite embarrassed asking it. I would have thought it would have been up to production team to decide material ? especially with footage ready to go. Also in the interest of fairness due to highlighting previous incidents in other matches that because of large number of emails and txtts to the sunday game that it had to be highlighted? I would personally think Des Cahill would have little influence.Its more a reflection of modern day tv where to get audience numbers up you give them direct input and a chance to comment on issues as to keep them tuning in to the programme on a weekly basis.
YK2 (2,255 Posts)	Posted: 21-Jun-2012 13:39	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
YK2 (2,255 Posts)	Originally posted by turncoat: lads, do you think its Des cahills decision whether that incident was highlighted or not ? I doubt it. There was also a deliberate attempt to provoke Davy by Claire McNamara during the post-match interview. You often get managers highly charged at that time and she pushed on the Mullane celebrations. It was cheap tabloid shíte from RTE trying to use Davy to generate a bit of controversy where there was none. I was just in from Thurles at that time and I couldn't believe was I was seeing. -YK2-
Snoop99 (234 Posts)	Posted: 21-Jun-2012 15:11	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Snoop99 (234 Posts)	Originally posted by The Parting Gas: You're the only one that seems to have heard this 'sledging' - the rest of us are only aware of what was going in the opposite direction from Eoin Kelly and John Mullane. Fitzgerald ignored this to his credit, something which hopefully indicates a new-found maturity. What RTE were highlighting were a few effs thrown over a line ball, which is a joke. If anything I would fault both Sheedy and Brennan for not telling Des to cop the fcuk on.That's assuming your post above is not the endless tiresome trolling that so bedevils this site. Get your head out of the sand good man, why would Davy goad a lines man with the old “show me your medals routine”? That makes no sense, even for a spanner like Davy. That comment obviously aimed at Waterford players as they have never won a Celtic Crosses, ironic really considering that Davy contributed to Waterford present demise. This is not the first occasion that Davy of sledging on the line , he abused several Limerick players in the league final, to the extent that John Allen had to take him to task and a Limerick player took it on himself to extract retribution on Davy with a dunt to shut him up. Davy has been banned a number of time for abusing officials in the past, he was suspended for starting a fight at a u21 game in Cusack park a few year back. He kicked that off by roaring abuse at the opposition subs bench. I have witnessed Davy in Fitzgibbon games and Waterford Crystal games and seen his foul mouthed tirades at the opposition and officials. Last Sunday is not an isolated incident; it is a pattern of acting the maggot that no inter-county manager goes in for. A manager is supposed to show calm mature leadership not act like a selfish and child, this lets down both the county and his team, if Davy had any intelligence he would realise that is completely counterproductive as it only gives added motivation for to the opposition. Last Sunday even his ex players who are only too delighted to shove it down Davys throat when the match was over, it shows what his former player really thinks of Davy management skills. This message has been edited - 21-jun-2012 @ 15:12
South Limerick Referee (16,613 Posts)	Posted: 21-Jun-2012 17:28	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
South Limerick Referee (16,613 Posts)	The Sunday game were will within their rights to discuss the matter and I actually think they dealt with it quite well. However if you are to lower the cutting bar for Davy, you must lower the cutting bar for everyone. I do not see them lowering the cutting bar for Cody or Jack O'Connor any time soon, but they know that Davy is not going to bother taking them to task over it. Some similar vocabulary was also highlighted and discussed during the Limerick Waterford game last year as well. I remember during the 1994 World Cup, Jack Charlton was trying to get John Aldridge onto the field only to be stopped by a fourth official. The colourful language was a big talking point then as well too. Its one of these things, it happens, it gets picked up, it gets discussed, it attracts 'will someone please think of the children types' and 'will someone get a life and find something better to discuss' types. I think RTE made the correct decision but only if they apply similar levels of consistency to other managers. However other managers would be a bit cuter than Davy and would only roar what they wanted heard.
Hidalgo (2,114 Posts)	Posted: 21-Jun-2012 19:27	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Hidalgo (2,114 Posts)	Originally posted by Snoop99: Get your head out of the sand good man, why would Davy goad a lines man with the old “show me your medals routine”? That makes no sense, even for a spanner like Davy. That comment obviously aimed at Waterford players as they have never won a Celtic Crosses, ironic really considering that Davy contributed to Waterford present demise. This is not the first occasion that Davy of sledging on the line , he abused several Limerick players in the league final, to the extent that John Allen had to take him to task and a Limerick player took it on himself to extract retribution on Davy with a dunt to shut him up. Davy has been banned a number of time for abusing officials in the past, he was suspended for starting a fight at a u21 game in Cusack park a few year back. He kicked that off by roaring abuse at the opposition subs bench. I have witnessed Davy in Fitzgibbon games and Waterford Crystal games and seen his foul mouthed tirades at the opposition and officials. Last Sunday is not an isolated incident; it is a pattern of acting the maggot that no inter-county manager goes in for.A manager is supposed to show calm mature leadership not act like a selfish and child, this lets down both the county and his team, if Davy had any intelligence he would realise that is completely counterproductive as it only gives added motivation for to the opposition. Last Sunday even his ex players who are only too delighted to shove it down Davys throat when the match was over, it shows what his former player really thinks of Davy management skills. Davy's contribution to Waterfords current demise?? You'd swear they were winning All Ireland's for fun before he went there and then burned every hurley in the county. You are right about watching him during Fitzgibbon games, RTE would have a a heart attack if they got this worried over last Sunday
Anyone but FF (1,490 Posts)	Posted: 21-Jun-2012 20:11	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Anyone but FF (1,490 Posts)	Breheny has it spot on here. A joke that this ever got airtime on the Sunday game. RTE would seriously want to pull up its socks with regards its GAA coverage at all levels. There our national games and our national broadcaster can't even do them justice, RTE sports has gone to sh!t since that rugby head Nugent got the head job there, They were well able to send every second jackass in Montrose to Poland last week but they couldnt even give us a five minute preview of the Andy Lee fight last Sat. Davy uses the f word and it makes the news yet 5 Irish rugby fans are arrested in NZ and nobody hears about it. Some agenda RTE have!
South Limerick Referee (16,613 Posts)	Posted: 21-Jun-2012 21:38	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
South Limerick Referee (16,613 Posts)	As the saying goes "All men are equal but some are more equal than others" Originally posted by Anyone but FF: 5 Irish rugby fans are arrested in NZ and nobody hears about it. Some agenda RTE have!
dodgy-keeper (3,496 Posts)	Posted: 21-Jun-2012 22:32	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
dodgy-keeper (3,496 Posts)	Has anyone heard if Fiachra, Fionn, Ultan, Harvey and Ross O'Carroll-Kelly have been deported or bailed yet?

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