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All Ireland Finals should be finished by first week of August
The Serb
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22-Jun-2012 03:25
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Why does the inter county season drag on so long when there is relatively few games to be played? The All Ireland hurling final should be on the last Sunday of July and the football on the first Sunday of August. All club championships should start on the second Sunday of August. This would finally finish all the uncertainty that club players have to put up with every year re when they are playing. If the clubs had meaningfull county leagues with 12 team groups they could play these games every second weekend throughout the summer. Play off the club championships in 10 weeks beginning on the second week of August. Most players will have gone on holidays by then also. Ideally each championship should have 2 groups of 4 with top 2 teams going into county semi finals. A straight forward championship where you have to play 5 games to win it. 8 team championships is the best format imo. 16 senior hurling teams in Limerick is farcical.
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22-Jun-2012 04:00
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Originally posted by The Serb:
Why does the inter county season drag on so long when there is relatively few games to be played? The All Ireland hurling final should be on the last Sunday of July and the football on the first Sunday of August. All club championships should start on the second Sunday of August. This would finally finish all the uncertainty that club players have to put up with every year re when they are playing. If the clubs had meaningfull county leagues with 12 team groups they could play these games every second weekend throughout the summer. Play off the club championships in 10 weeks beginning on the second week of August. Most players will have gone on holidays by then also. Ideally each championship should have 2 groups of 4 with top 2 teams going into county semi finals. A straight forward championship where you have to play 5 games to win it. 8 team championships is the best format imo. 16 senior hurling teams in Limerick is farcical.
I made this point to Nicky Brennan once and he looked at me like I had fourteen heads.
You're right of course, the clubs are being blackguarded to fcuk. But there is no unity among clubs or club players, so weight of numbers will never come into it... the All Ireland will always be in sacred September.
The Serb
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22-Jun-2012 05:09
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The club players biggest gripe is the way that 3 or 4 championship club games are spread out over 4 months and every fixture is fixed provisionally so depending on how your county does in the qualifiers ect., matches can be called off at a weeks notice when some players might have holidays booked around the original fixtures. The word provisionally should not come into the equation. The match should be either fixed at the start of the year or not. Club players are becoming very disillusioned throughout the country. There should be a club players union just like the GPA. At the moment there is no unity among club players and their grievances with the system are not being heard.
laochra gael
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22-Jun-2012 09:10
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A shorter season will mean less TV / sponsorship money so it will never happen. The GAA needs to fund itself so commercial demands will partly dictate timetables.
Man with the Cap
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22-Jun-2012 09:32
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I would love to see your idea of a calendar for Senior hurling, Senior football, Intermediate Football and Hurling, u21 hurling and football, Minor hurling and football, national leagues in both codes, Colleges and Post Primary Schools competitions.
Barry
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22-Jun-2012 09:52
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Of course the Serb is 100% right.
But people at helm are stuck in a time warp and are incapable of thinking outside the box.
Their reasoning for resisting change is invariably based on mantra "'cos that's the way it was always done".
Gobs**tes!
staycalm
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22-Jun-2012 10:13
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Originally posted by The Serb:
Why does the inter county season drag on so long when there is relatively few games to be played? The All Ireland hurling final should be on the last Sunday of July and the football on the first Sunday of August. All club championships should start on the second Sunday of August. This would finally finish all the uncertainty that club players have to put up with every year re when they are playing. If the clubs had meaningfull county leagues with 12 team groups they could play these games every second weekend throughout the summer. Play off the club championships in 10 weeks beginning on the second week of August. Most players will have gone on holidays by then also. Ideally each championship should have 2 groups of 4 with top 2 teams going into county semi finals. A straight forward championship where you have to play 5 games to win it. 8 team championships is the best format imo. 16 senior hurling teams in Limerick is farcical.
There could be 116 teams in the Limerick championship and it wouldnt make a difference. We are usually gone out of the championship so early that we have the whole summer to play off the club games
Blanco
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22-Jun-2012 10:28
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Originally posted by laochra gael:
A shorter season will mean less TV / sponsorship money so it will never happen. The GAA needs to fund itself so commercial demands will partly dictate timetables.
Not necessarily so , the NFL season in America is much shorter that most of the other sports but when it starts is goes more or less every week until the final and dominates the Airways while it is on.
There was some kind of proposal from one one of the hurling commitee's to do this for Hurling and I thought it was a good idea.
If you could guarantee a big game at least every two weeks and go right through from first round to AI final it could actually be more attractive to sponsors even though the season is much shorter and the TV games would not be effected as there are not that many hurling matches on TV anyway.
N16
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22-Jun-2012 10:55
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Agree with this 100%.
Championship should go back to straight knock out with Munster champions playing Leinster Champions in the AIHF the first weekend in August. Bump up the league a bit more, make it higher profile with a holiday or something out of it that lads would want to win.
And for God sake, stop trying to compare hurling and football with sports like rugby and soccer which have a global fan base and are professional. When the IC season is over, the lads go back to their clubs. When the Beer F@rter Cup or the EPL is over, the players go away on holiday.
scelp
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22-Jun-2012 11:28
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I disagree fundamentally with those who want a shorter inter county season.
If we cant have top class, county hurling from May to September we might as well tell the young lads that hurling is a game we are trying to get out of the way and hide it from, God forbid, kids who might want to wear the county jersey for a little longer than the ONE day your county is involved if it loses the first round.
Explain this to the young players of tomorrow: your favourite stars will be holed up for six months in these squad training sessions, unseen, but sure you can watch them play for their county for three league games[how many kids get to away games] and a possible single championship game.
We hand the other nine months of the year, unchallenged, to mass coverage of soccer and rugby. Thats clever.
The inter county season is not too long in itself at all--should be a little longer in my opinion to maximise coverage and, by extent popularity.
The answer to the club players dilemma is make a rule taking away the POWER of county managers to hold on to players and hold up club championships.
Every second week to be club, county, club county etc etc.
In that weay ALL players have meaningful and SCHEDULED games from April to October, depending on progress.
Its the county managements that are killing the club scene, not the back door system or anything else either.
Its fcuking easy.
Star Gazer
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22-Jun-2012 11:28
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I can not agree at all, that shortening the Inter County season so that it ends in July or August Bank Holiday weekend is either a good idea or has any prospect of being brought in. We are already being bombarded with soccer and rugby in the media and abandoning the Inter County scene in July would be a disaster as far as media coverage is concerned. Hurling and Football would virtually disappear from Radio, TV and Newsprint for most of the year. As for running a County Championship between 8 clubs, that is a completely off the wall idea. How could you have just 8 Senior Football teams in the likes of Dublin, Cork, Kerry etc. or 8 Senior Hurling teams in Cork, Kilkenny or Tipperary. We are doing fine the way we are and we need to improve our structures gradually, but we certainly do not need to throw out the baby with the bathwater. I had not seen sceilp's reply when posting my effort, but I agree 100% with his point of view.
Taxi Driver
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22-Jun-2012 14:45
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Originally posted by Man with the Cap:
I would love to see your idea of a calendar for Senior hurling, Senior football, Intermediate Football and Hurling, u21 hurling and football, Minor hurling and football, national leagues in both codes, Colleges and Post Primary Schools competitions.
Here's one
. Looking back I mightn't agree with all of it now but it may be useful nonetheless.
Rebel CNC
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22-Jun-2012 14:58
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Why the GAA - rugby is practically year round. Starting with club games, then Autumn internationals, more club games, six nations, end of club season and then a few more meaningless internationals which of course are inflated in importance by calling them "tests" rather than friendly or challenge games.
Gets incredible coverage in Ireland for a sport played by a few schools in Cork,Limerick and Dublin.
I'm sure the West Brits at RTE and Irish Times would love the GAA to be good lads and get everything out of the way in six or eight weeks - the GAA should tell them to **** off.
Taxi Driver
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22-Jun-2012 15:46
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Originally posted by Rebel CNC:
Why the GAA - rugby is practically year round. Starting with club games, then Autumn internationals, more club games, six nations, end of club season and then a few more meaningless internationals which of course are inflated in importance by calling them "tests" rather than friendly or challenge games.Gets incredible coverage in Ireland for a sport played by a few schools in Cork,Limerick and Dublin.I'm sure the West Brits at RTE and Irish Times would love the GAA to be good lads and get everything out of the way in six or eight weeks - the GAA should tell them to **** off.
I think people are looking for the inter-county season to be condensed to leave room for everything else. This could actually be achieved while adding more games. In the seven weeks finishing with the All-Ireland Football Final the GAA plays just six inter-county games. More thoughts
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